Chelsea Transfers

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1 hour ago, MoroccanBlue said:

He explained it pretty thoroughly. There was a verbal agreement but we went back on our word to negotiate better terms which pissed off Benfica. 

Okay fair enough if that’s the way it went down. Will keep an eye out for his reports 

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[Tomo 21,751]

1 hour ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

If Mount runs down his contract, he would get a huge signing bonus coming to Manure as a free. 
We should take £50-55m and be done with it. Rudiger vibes about keeping him. 

If he stays and intends to walk to United next summer he'll have to perform so it's win win really.

He's currently getting the benefit of the doubt for the last 18 months due to everything that's gone on at the club but if he's still playing bad in a more stable environment questions will start to be asked, like is this another Dele Alli situation?

Edited June 16, 2023 by Tomo

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20 minutes ago, Pizy said:

Gabri Veiga apparently. He looks like a proper baller but again, not a DM like we need. Veiga looks like a Mount replacement to me.

It says Veiga is alternative in case we fail with Caicedo.

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2 minutes ago, TheHulk said:

It says Veiga is alternative in case we fail with Caicedo.

Makes more sense. He's another 8 happy to break lines and go forward. Caicedo and Lavia seem to be the main targets

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2 hours ago, Clockwork said:

 

Meh

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49 minutes ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

 

Who and who? Admittedly I don't follow other leagues but why have we stopped trying to sign proven players. Gonna have a team full of young lads with no leaders or experience between the most of them

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1 hour ago, Tomo said:

If he stays and intends to walk to United next summer he'll have to perform so it's win win really.

He's currently getting the benefit of the doubt for the last 18 months due to everything that's gone on at the club but if he's still playing bad in a more stable environment questions will start to be asked, like is this another Dele Alli situation?

England might be a good leverage on that. We could freeze him out until he leaves, which could hurt his chances with England.

That should've been done earlier, but might still work some... some leverage I suppose.

No point in "investing" on a player who's about to leave.

Edited June 16, 2023 by robsblubot

[chelsea_4_eva 1,182]

I'm surpised the arab clubs aren't after Ziyech, he did have an amazing run in the WC.

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5 hours ago, Magic Lamps said:

He really is not a complete midfielder. Quite the opposite. 

Lampard, Ballack, Gerard were  what I consider complete midfielders. The technique, the tactical ability, physicality, passing range, leadership, huge quantifiable impact on both ends of the pitch, controlling, dominating the play in midfield.
Caicedo is far from that. He doesn’t score or assist goals. His technique, esp his first touch is average, he lacks tactical anticipation. He doesn’t head the ball well, he is not ambipedal, his passing range is inconsistent. His strengths are tackling, tenacity, stamina. Nothing else is really close to being on an elite level. A rather limited player. If you spend 80m on a player with one top league season under his belt he better should have shown more in those than a few decent tackles. Granted he is still young and seems to have the right attitude but he is not good enough to help us to the level where we should be. I doubt he ever will be. More often than not midfield is where the game is won. If our recruiting strategy continues to be throwing tons of cash at flavour of the month players from hipster clubs like Brighton we will be waiting a long time for our first major post-Roman title. 

He is much more complete than Kante in his overall game. His technique actually is very good. He rarely gets bullied off the ball as he has brilliant upper body strength too. His long range passing is very good too. He isnt a Fabregas but a lot better on the ball than Kante. Better passing range too. I think he is fantastic and will only get better and better.

[ulsterchelsea 3,221]

Saudis after ziyech now 🙏🏻

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1 hour ago, TheHulk said:

It says Veiga is alternative in case we fail with Caicedo.

they are very different types of players

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1 hour ago, ulsterchelsea said:

Who and who? Admittedly I don't follow other leagues but why have we stopped trying to sign proven players. Gonna have a team full of young lads with no leaders or experience between the most of them

Jackson is a bit of a wild card (not slating him), but Gabri Veiga has most all the top clubs on the planet interested

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Says it all about why our season was so bad when you see how many important first team players are saying they want nothing to do with us anymore: Kovacic, Havertz, Mount…

TBH just want a squad of players that really went to be here and fight for us and live their dream of being at Chelsea. Rather be outside of the top 4 for the next years than deal with another squad of cunts.

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20 hours ago, robsblubot said:

I merely asked you not to put words in my mouth, which you certainly did. It's fucking pretty annoying tbh.

I've been watching World Cups for decades, and I will stick to my opinion. Morocco was indeed the most tactically disciplined African nation I've ever seen. Perhaps Cameroon came close before, with Milla, but that was more of a counter-attacking side. Those were the glaring exceptions, I'm afraid. Now, like I said, this is all acquired knowledge, so there is certainly evolution, just not as fast as was once predicted. The moment that's not the case anymore, then it's not the case, again IMO. 🤷‍♂️

Winning can definitely speed up that evolution tenfold...

What do you think would happen if Mbappe's family had moved to the USA instead of France? do you really think he'd be what he is today? This is the example to emphasize the point. I'd go further and suggest Mbappe also wouldn't be what he is today had his family moved to Mexico, despite football being the main sport there.

I quoted your post in response to another user, so I've addressed that already. I apologise if my post wasn't identical to how you worded yours, but that's the vibe I and clearly other users got.

Another topic I touched upon - Players based in the major countries in Europe will develop at a much faster rate than those elsewhere, for obvious reasons. Using the USA as a pointer is odd considering football or soccer is still irrelevant for the most part. However, to partially answer your question, he probably wouldn't have developed at the rate he did, but there's no telling how quickly we would have adapted to European football considering someone with his skillset would have been bought in his mid teens, similar to Alphonso Davis.

Alphonso Davis is probably the best example, having thought about it. Someone born in Africa moved to Canada at a young age (goes with your thinking) and was bought by Bayern at 17. Would his career have been different if he had been born in Spain?