Superblue 6,372 Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Styl1994 said: Think we would all like Haaland but if he doesn’t arrive we need to do something If it's not someone elite like Haaland or Kane, then the sensible option is to either use our budget on other areas that need strengthening or save our budget, and in doing so roll with Werner and Havertz being focal points of our attack next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 15 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said: He's pretty good technically. Great dribbler and link up play. When you look at our current attacking players metrics in build up, they are all heavily involved. When you compare it to Isak and Haaland, the former looks like he would better suit us. But that is the question. Are we so poor at finishing because we have too many players involved in the build up and no one being the clinical focal point? If that is the case Haaland is the answer. You don't think Tuchel will make Haaland get involved in the build up too? Tuchel often mentioned how the attacking players likely get affected with their decision making/execution in the final third because of the work they put in off the ball. And think the issue is not whether Haaland is the answer, but whether can the club afford to spend big on him. If the answer is really no, then obviously we go to the alternatives like Isak etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said: If it's not someone elite like Haaland or Kane, then the sensible option is to either use our budget on other areas that need strengthening or save our budget, and in doing so roll with Werner and Havertz being focal points of our attack next season. Haaland or not, we need another striker. Assuming both Giroud and Abraham are leaving, it's very risky to go into a long season with just 2 options to lead the line and neither of them are a typical #9 either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superblue 6,372 Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 Just now, Jas said: Haaland or not, we need another striker. Assuming both Giroud and Abraham are leaving, it's very risky to go into a long season with just 2 options to lead the line and neither of them are a typical #9 either. In that situation then I would keep one of them. If someone is prepared to pay what we want for Tammy then let him go and retain Giroud. If nobody is prepared to pay what we want for Tammy, then keep him and let Giroud leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 Just now, Superblue_1986 said: In that situation then I would keep one of them. If someone is prepared to pay what we want for Tammy then let him go and retain Giroud. If nobody is prepared to pay what we want for Tammy, then keep him and let Giroud leave. Wouldn't necessarily mind Abraham staying if need be but that would require a u-turn from Tuchel and both parties to reconcile. The club may also have to live with the fact that Abraham may not sign a contract extension and he will have only a year left come next summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,385 Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, Jas said: You don't think Tuchel will make Haaland get involved in the build up too? Tuchel often mentioned how the attacking players likely get affected with their decision making/execution in the final third because of the work they put in off the ball. And think the issue is not whether Haaland is the answer, but whether can the club afford to spend big on him. If the answer is really no, then obviously we go to the alternatives like Isak etc. Think you pretty much answered your own question. You'd hope Tuchel would want an attacker that is the clinical focal point vs having an additional attacker involved in build up which ruins the execution of the attack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 14 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said: Think you pretty much answered your own question. You'd hope Tuchel would want an attacker that is the clinical focal point vs having an additional attacker involved in build up which ruins the execution of the attack. Wait, are you saying that we need a pure poacher leading the line and one that does nothing else apart from scoring? What I said there with Tuchel is that he indirectly puts the blame on the work the players have to put in without the ball, not with the ball and has nothing to do with the buildup. Given our Champions League success was a prime example (and a good template for success) of the 11 players putting a shift in offensively and defensively, I'd be surprised Tuchel suddenly veers away from that. Haaland or not. I don't think the problem is whether that striker is too involved in the buildup or not (didn't stop the likes of Drogba and Costa from scoring goals in the past). All our attackers get chances to score. It's only the final execution that has been the problem. Tomo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superblue 6,372 Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 Just now, Jas said: Wouldn't necessarily mind Abraham staying if need be but that would require a u-turn from Tuchel and both parties to reconcile. The club may also have to live with the fact that Abraham may not sign a contract extension and he will have only a year left come next summer. Yeah that is definitely the risk involved with Tammy. However given the whole Covid situation, etc I can't see someone paying around £40m for him like is being reported as to what we want for him. Realistically someone might come in with £25-30m, but then there is the possibility that he could command around £20-25m next summer so it may be worth the risk of holding him an extra year. I think though if you drop beyond Haaland on the list, and you're looking for an option of a poacher striker who is more in the team to score and less to get involved in the build up play then keeping Tammy seems more sense than a number of the alternative options, none of which are elite. I agree on the Tuchel part though, the last thing we need is that relationship turning sour between manager and board before it's barely started because Tuchel is having to coach players that he doesn't want. Hopefully though the bigger picture can be seen here and if a suitable striker isn't available this summer we do have one currently sat in the stands who could do a job this season, and then leaves us in a position to move on a target next summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whats happening 1,621 Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Styl1994 said: Think we would all like Haaland but if he doesn’t arrive we need to do something pogba 😍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,224 Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 Just now, whats happening said: pogba 😍 are people on here losing their minds suggesting we buy Pogba? WHY would we want that asshole? His salary, Mino fee, transfer fee and add-ons, etc would total to £170+ million or so Manure are offering him a £104m contract! that is fucking madness and he is shite in the EPL overall for what Manure has paid him he needs to go back to grandpa league Serie A Atomiswave, Magic Lamps and Muzchap 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,224 Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 lol (they are almost exact same age (Pogba turns 29yo in March, Varane turns 29yo in April) Real Madrid will reject Manchester United’s offer to swap Paul Pogba for Raphael Varane https://metro.co.uk/2021/06/21/real-madrid-will-reject-manchester-uniteds-offer-to-swap-paul-pogba-for-raphael-varane-14807270/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomiswave 6,118 Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 8 minutes ago, Vesper said: are people on here losing their minds suggesting we buy Pogba? WHY would we want that asshole? His salary, Mino fee, transfer fee and add-ons, etc would total to £170+ million or so Manure are offering him a £104m contract! that is fucking madness and he is shite in the EPL overall for what Manure has paid him he needs to go back to grandpa league Serie A Most def mate, he is wank and in Chels under TT he will find it very very hard I gather....lazy cunt would never survive. Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,224 Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 lol, Sergio Ramos wants 3 year deal at €15m per year NET (so €90m gross total!) that is £500K PER WEEK gross (how we rate salaries) he can go fuck himself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,385 Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 54 minutes ago, Jas said: Wait, are you saying that we need a pure poacher leading the line and one that does nothing else apart from scoring? What I said there with Tuchel is that he indirectly puts the blame on the work the players have to put in without the ball, not with the ball and has nothing to do with the buildup. Given our Champions League success was a prime example (and a good template for success) of the 11 players putting a shift in offensively and defensively, I'd be surprised Tuchel suddenly veers away from that. Haaland or not. I don't think the problem is whether that striker is too involved in the buildup or not (didn't stop the likes of Drogba and Costa from scoring goals in the past). All our attackers get chances to score. It's only the final execution that has been the problem. I wouldn't exactly classify Haaland as a poacher. I also wouldn't call our current system something that's sustainable when we are currently 16th in the conversion charts since Tuchel's appointment. Something to build upon yes, but something that will eventually collapse should the execution of our chances not be fixed this summer. Again, I am firmly on the boat of wagering utter capitulation should we go into next season in the hopes our current attackers find better form. 1st in chances created under Tuchel. Haaland would at least provide the team a focal point to be at the end of the chances we create. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomiswave 6,118 Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 14 minutes ago, Vesper said: lol, Sergio Ramos wants 3 year deal at €15m per year NET (so €90m gross total!) that is £500K PER WEEK gross (how we rate salaries) he can go fuck himself Looking for his last pay-day.....as if these players lack revenue lmao Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,224 Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Atomiswave said: Looking for his last pay-day.....as if these players lack revenue lmao I am sorry but he is 37 and 38yo in the last year no CB except maybe Maldini is worth that type of cash at 37/38 (at 40 years of age Maldini started 30 league games on a CL qualifying AC MIlan side, but he is a once in a lifetime genetic freak of a CB/Fullback) Maldini at 50+ years of age looks like he could still play at least a half Edited June 21, 2021 by Vesper Atomiswave 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styl1994 188 Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 52 minutes ago, whats happening said: pogba 😍 Pogba focus on your upcoming match and stop coming on Talk Chelsea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whats happening 1,621 Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 44 minutes ago, Vesper said: are people on here losing their minds suggesting we buy Pogba? WHY would we want that asshole? His salary, Mino fee, transfer fee and add-ons, etc would total to £170+ million or so Manure are offering him a £104m contract! that is fucking madness and he is shite in the EPL overall for what Manure has paid him he needs to go back to grandpa league Serie A it's only me, and i was joking. funny how everyone here were up in arms when i first suggested him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,224 Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, whats happening said: it's only me, and i was joking. funny how everyone here were up in arms when i first suggested him. you are far from the first (and many have NOT been joking) to suggest we move for Pogba since I have joined the board 3and half years ago or so Muzchap 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 25 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said: I wouldn't exactly classify Haaland as a poacher. I also wouldn't call our current system something that's sustainable when we are currently 16th in the conversion charts since Tuchel's appointment. Something to build upon yes, but something that will eventually collapse should the execution of our chances not be fixed this summer. Again, I am firmly on the boat of wagering utter capitulation should we go into next season in the hopes our current attackers find better form. 1st in chances created under Tuchel. Haaland would at least provide the team a focal point to be at the end of the chances we create. I don't see what the system has to do with our conversion rate. The system is about the team overall, how the players function as a unit while the conversion rate is simply down to the players. Our attacking players still get at the end of chances, no? Different case if we aren't creating chances because that then is more down to the system. Focal point or not, Haaland should still be expected to contribute in buildup play. It was the same case with Drogba, Costa previously. They contributed to our attacking play and also scored goals while being a focal point. As I have mentioned before, if we get someone - be it Haaland or someone else - to score the goals, then great but we also won't get anywhere if the others don't score more. One person can't be scoring the goals only. So in some ways, we still need the others to find better form in front of goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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