Chelsea Transfers

[MoroccanBlue 5,400]

24 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

Would be funny because he would not even start there.

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He wouldn't? He's exactly what we need in midfield?

[Blues Forever 1,232]

6 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

He wouldn't? He's exactly what we need in midfield?

He probably mean Bayern not us.

[killer1257 3,282]

He wouldn't? He's exactly what we need in midfield?

No, I mean he would not start in Bayern munich midfield.

He would definitely start here, but he was injured for some time. We will habe to see how fit he is now

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I guess a Rice-Zakaria double pivot would give us immense protection and still be somewhat balance. Rice is a crisp passer who usually distributes the ball right after he wins it and Zakaria is basically a tall Kante who can carry the ballforward, roam around and destroy opposition counter attacks.

[Atomiswave 6,120]

Those 2 would transform our midfield....would be proper.

[killer1257 3,282]

I guess a Rice-Zakaria double pivot would give us immense protection and still be somewhat balance. Rice is a crisp passer who usually distributes the ball right after he wins it and Zakaria is basically a tall Kante who can carry the ballforward, roam around and destroy opposition counter attacks.

I don't think we will buy both. Rice will cost a lot of money and so will Zakaria.

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[Strike 7,792]

18 hours ago, Atomiswave said:

Those 2 would transform our midfield....would be proper.

So almost a whole new XI hmmm

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12 minutes ago, Strike said:

So almost a whole new XI hmmm

Yeah plus quality back-ups, if others can do it so can we. You either plan well for the future or you can go and buy third rate players like Zappa Drinky Baka and the likes for immense amounts to boot. Before this summers tranfers we didnt have a good enough squad, its looking brighter now and we can and must do it again next summer. Then we will have a proper squad to challenge for them big trophies.

[OhForAGreavsie 6,128]

On 21/10/2020 at 3:13 PM, Blues Forever said:

 

One of our German members told us some time ago that Zakaria would not be leaving Gladbach in the last window but could do next summer. I wonder if the 'placed' rumour is evidence that someone in his camp could be interested in trying to accelerate that to January? It must be said that German clubs tend to do what they say they'll do. You all may have better memories than me but I don't remember when last a German club said a player contracted to them would not leave in a window but he did anyway. Usually, if they say he stays, he stays.

Whenever it is that this bloke is on the move, I hope we'll join the bidding.

[!Hazard! 3,394]

Any thoughts on Pau Torres? Looking at his profile, he seems like an ideal CB for us. 

[Vesper 31,110]

1 hour ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

One of our German members told us some time ago that Zakaria would not be leaving Gladbach in the last window but could do next summer. I wonder if the 'placed' rumour is evidence that someone in his camp could be interested in trying to accelerate that to January? It must be said that German clubs tend to do what they say they'll do. You all may have better memories than me but I don't remember when last a German club said a player contracted to them would not leave in a window but he did anyway. Usually, if they say he stays, he stays.

Whenever it is that this bloke is on the move, I hope we'll join the bidding.

Zakaria and Upamecano are my two number one targets

 

my list is simple (not saying we move for every postion) I leave Rice out, no clue what we want to do with him (DMF? CB?)

GK

Oblak or Donnarumma (IF Mendy doesn't work out)

 

CB 

we need to buy two of the following

Dayot Upamecano <<<< MUST Buy

+ José Giménez

or if not Giménez (manly due to his cost),

Matthias Ginter or Evan N'Dicka (left footed) or Edmond Tapsoba

 

LB/LCB (which alienates the 2nd CB buy above)

Theo Hernandez

 

DMF

Zakaria next summer for the cruncher DMF

plus Camavinga for the roamer, or if he is Real Madrid or Barca-bound (what everyone tells me)

then go for the next best things, Boubacar Kamara or Bruno Guimarães or Ismaël Bennacer or finally the last of those 4 for me in terms of my preference, Boubakary Soumaré

 

CMF  (not saying we buy any, but these following are amongst the only ones who interest me) <<< Camavinga can play here as well

Saúl Ñíguez

Aouar

Verratti

Ryan Gavenberch

Jude Bellingham

Agustín Almendra (20yo, soon 21yo from Boca Juniors)

 

RW

Gabriel Veron    18yo from Palmeiras

 

SS/Winger

Dybala

 

don't see us making moves for Sancho or Håland or (obviously) Mbappe

 

Paulo Dybala on Blues radar following Juventus role

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/chelsea-transfer-round-up-paulo-22871198

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39 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Zakaria and Upamecano are my two number one targets

This for sure, would help us greatly. But I dont see us getting Dybala, he is either RM or Barca bound, where would he game here anyway. I guess it could work if we chuck Kai in midfield and put Dybala at 10 position, but very risky.

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2 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

This for sure, would help us greatly. But I dont see us getting Dybala, he is either RM or Barca bound, where would he game here anyway. I guess it could work if we chuck Kai in midfield and put Dybala at 10 position, but very risky.

4 4 2 as a change up option

Mendy

Thiago (for his last year) with Theo Hernandez as his backup/rotation and also backup LB

Upamecano with Tomori as backup

Chilwell

Reece  Azpi

Double Pivot  Zakaria and Camavinga

AMF/CMF Kai and Ziyech (Kova when we need a more robust presence)

SS Dybala CF Werner 

Puli and Gilmour and Mount and Tammy and CHO as needed

 

 

[Atomiswave 6,120]

4 minutes ago, Vesper said:

4 4 2 as a change up option

Mendy

Thiago (for his last year) with Theo Hernandez as his backup/rotation and also backup LB

Upamecano with Tomori as backup

Chilwell

Reece  Azpi

Double Pivot  Zakaria and Camavinga

AMF/CMF Kai and Ziyech (Kova when we need a more robust presence)

SS Dybala CF Werner 

Puli and Gilmour and Mount and Tammy and CHO as needed

 

 

You rate Camavinga above Rice Vesper, havent seen much of him to be honest so cant judge.

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10 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

You rate Camavinga above Rice Vesper, havent seen much of him to be honest so cant judge.

Mate I'm pretty sure anyone rates Camavinga above Rice except Frank.

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35 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

You rate Camavinga above Rice Vesper, havent seen much of him to be honest so cant judge.

different types of players

Camavinga is a unique player

super athletic and technical

can play almost anywhere

would not be shocked it he was a cracking left fullback as well

but for sure he can play

DMF (both trad and deep holding)

Roaming destroyer in a double pivot (like Kante, but Camavinga is bigger, far better passer, far better shooter)

CMF

AMF

RMF and LMF

RW/LW (he is left footed but almost ambipedal)

hell Rennes even played him a false nine for a spell in one game I saw

 

Rice would be a partner for Camavinga (ie taking Zakaria's place, UNLESS Rice is moved to CB <<< a Rice and Upamecano CB pairing could be amazing in theory)

[Atomiswave 6,120]

23 minutes ago, Vesper said:

different types of players

Camavinga is a unique player

super athletic and technical

can play almost anywhere

would not be shocked it he was a cracking left fullback as well

but for sure he can play

DMF (both trad and deep holding)

Roaming destroyer in a double pivot (like Kante, but Camavinga is bigger, far better passer, far better shooter)

CMF

AMF

RMF and LMF

RW/LW (he is left footed but almost ambipedal)

hell Rennes even played him a false nine for a spell in one game I saw

 

Rice would be a partner for Camavinga (ie taking Zakaria's lace, ULESS Rice is moved to CB <<< a Rice and Upamecano CB pairing could be amazing in theory)

Thanks

[NikkiCFC 8,516]

This is what we needed.

And speaking of DMs I watched Hoffenheim:Red Star last night and Samassekou is really good player, not sure about top level but one to watch.

 

[OhForAGreavsie 6,128]

4 hours ago, Vesper said:

Double Pivot  Zakaria and Camavinga

I've only seen youtube videos of Camavinga but I've been unimpressed so far. I'm off to seek out more videos.

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FEATURE | Was Houssem Aouar ready to move to a big European club this summer?

https://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2020/feature-was-houssem-aouar-ready-to-move-to-a-big-european-club-this-summer/

Despite a middling run of form in a disjointed Lyon side, Houssem Aouar continued to be an in-demand presence in Europe as the transfer market lurched towards its close on Monday. Persistently linked with Arsenal, and, to a lesser degree, Juventus, over the summer, the midfielder has lately also become the subject of interest from Paris Saint-Germain, and even Real Madrid, per the latest L’Équipe. The Spanish club’s initial interest in Les Gones’ academy product was centred around a deal potentially being concluded next summer, with Aouar having a noted admirer in Zinedine Zidane and the club having made no major purchases this summer, might this latest twist have legs? 

Aouar is several years younger than any of Isco, Toni Kroos, or Luka Modric, and while he certainly needs no small amount of polishing, his versatility could make his signing a major filip. Some saw this late-breaking interest, and that of the capital side as being a smokescreen on the part of Aulas, hoping to drive Arsenal to the brink of desperation, but what is more pertinent is what sort of player these clubs would have gotten. That is, is Aouar of the requisite quality to be a vital cog at one of Europe’s biggest clubs? The answer is a rather complex one, and while a definitive opinion can be difficult to form, having seen him play something in the neighbourhood of a hundred times, the jury remains somewhat out, even if this verdict is through (largely) no fault of the player.

A native of the Lyon area, Aouar came through the ranks without much fanfare, avoiding the sort of hype that has accompanied teammates of his such as Rayan Cherki. A peripheral figure during his initial appearances, in 2016/17, the sale that summer of Corentin Tolisso to Bayern Munich appeared to open the door to the first team for the youngster, but it also marked the start of a quandary that continues to plague those who would observe him up until the present moment.

The all-action Tolisso had been a bit of a Swiss Army knife for Lyon, slotting in at right back, or even as second striker, but his best position was in central midfield. Never an orthodox defensive midfielder, Tolisso benefited from playing alongside the likes of Maxime Gonalons or Lucas Tousart, players whose gritty physicality would allow him far more freedom while still taking advantage of his own power and ability on the ball.  

The next campaign, however, saw Gonalons depart, and while Tousart was still available to do the yeoman’s share of the work in protecting the defence, the role that Aouar was thus asked to play alongside either the former Valenciennes man or Tanguy N’Dombele was often a fairly negative one. Lyon played both a 4-2-3-1 and a 4-3-3 that season – the former formation most often saw Nabil Fékir playing as a ten, limited Aouar’s ability to truly be involved in the attack, while the latter, with a midfield trio of Tousart, Aouar, and Ndombele did nominally allow the academy product more freedom, the slide rule passing of Ndombele meant that Aouar was often relegated to a shuttling role.  

Undaunted, he dug in his heels, and used his deceptively wiry strength to become a more than creditable option in his new role, while still managing to record a half dozen goals, most of them sublime finishes coming as the product of wonderful interplay among Fékir, Ndombele and Mariano Diaz. While the attention as regards to Lyon’s attack that season was squarely on the team’s front four, Aouar’s opportunism and craft at making late-breaking runs into the box was something to behold. With Fékir’s spirit and battling energy the model, the club won nine of their last ten league matches to qualify for the Champions’ League, and Aouar, despite being just nineteen, had shown enough, without stealing the show, to suggest that he would be a fixture for years to come.

It was more of the same in 2018/19, as Aouar improved both his goal and assist figures, thriving despite near-constant tactical tinkering on the part of then-manager Bruno Génésio. His relationship with Fékir continued to improve, and new signing Moussa Dembélé also benefitted from Aouar’s creativity, shaking off a slow start to finish with fifteen goals in the league. Lyon were far from perfect, but the team had a vibrancy and energy about them, and, backed by a sparkling new arena and investment from a Chinese group, seemingly the means to progress even further, no small matter as both Marseille and Monaco seemed to be at a low ebb at the time.

The summer of 2019 would be a fateful one, however. The embattled Génésio’s departure was unsurprising – he was a product of the club through and through, but had always seemed more adept at a needs must style of management rather than orchestrating any sort of brilliant football. Fékir’s move away was more surprising, but after his previous attempt to go to Liverpool had fallen through, perhaps the horse had already left the barn when it came to the captain’s ability to focus on the task at hand.

However, with Fékir gone, the team’s focal point in attack became not the unselfish and scrappy number ten, but rather Depay, whose best position is either as a striker or wide on the left, but whose approach to play is one of single-mindedness. Never one to rejoice in being a creative force, the Dutchman increasingly set off on maddening runs down blind alleys, and the form of those around him, including Dembélé, but also Aouar suffered. 

With Depay running amok and new sporting director Juninho’s pick for manager, Sylvinho, in over his head on the bench, Lyon were in dire form and there were already rumours linking the club’s most illustrious talents with moves away, punctuated by Tousart’s departure to Hertha Berlin in the winter window. Lyon continued to stutter in the league, but a Coupe de la Ligue final run and, of course, the team’s surge into the Champions League semifinals did much to paper over the cracks.

Now, however, back to the grey reality of Ligue 1, Lyon look bereft of ideas under Rudi Garcia, and Aouar appears to have followed the lead of Depay in terms of the selfishness of his play. Lyon had last season been over-reliant on individual brilliance to win them matches, and this season has been more of the same, but with poorer results as French sides have been largely able to keep Les Gones and Aouar at bay. 

Is this to say, then, that Aouar is a busted flush, the influence of Depay and his flash (both on and off the pitch) having subsumed the hardworking young talent who was ready to give his all no matter what position he was asked to play? No, and emphatically so. The talent of the player remains, but the floundering project under Juninho, both in terms of the coaching personnel and the squad, which has dramatically moved away from having a sense of cohesion both and off the pitch, has done Aouar a massive disservice as he’s jammed into a variety of positions that are ill-suited.

Played under a manager who has a consistent and clear tactical plan, and alongside teammates who don’t feel that they have to take on the world, or at least the entire defence, alone, there is every reason to believe that Aouar can get back to the upward track he was seemingly on little more than a year ago. While it may take some time for his progress to resume, the player that dazzled despite difficult circumstances is still there, and were he to move to a club in a more stable and patient situation come to fruition, there is little doubt that he can become the breakout star that many had glimpsed some three years ago.