Chelsea Transfers

[Vesper 31,113]

2 hours ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

That's an off world level of production.

It's clear you believe that both players can be sold on joining and I'm guessing you've written about this before. I don't remember reading it however so would you mind posting a quick rehash please?

There are over 40 posts by me that talk about Gosens

http://forum.talkchelsea.net/search/?&q=gosens&page=1&sortby=relevancy

[Superblue 6,372]

It'll be interesting to see how the market pans out this summer in the face of Covid-19.

Will we still see the great value in Ziyech that we felt we had a couple of months ago?

I think it will still show good value and if anything, I can see teams reverting to an option like Ziyech instead of an option like Sancho or Coutinho which will cost far more so for us to already have secured an option like this I think looks very solid still.

 

[NikkiCFC 8,516]

Some Chelsea fans be like: Isco is shit, James Rodriguez is done, no need for Coutinho, he is overrated 😂😂 RLC and Barkley should play deeper 😂😂 Ziyech is winger 😂😂

I swear if we could sign prime Zidane for free some would be against it so we don't upset our little baby on that position 😂😂

Coutinho was best Brazilian player on World Cup and in team of the tournament. 

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21 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Some Chelsea fans be like: Isco is shit, James Rodriguez is done, no need for Coutinho, he is overrated 😂😂 RLC and Barkley should play deeper 😂😂 Ziyech is winger 😂😂

I swear if we could sign prime Zidane for free some would be against it so we don't upset our little baby on that position 😂😂

Coutinho was best Brazilian player on World Cup and in team of the tournament. 

the only AMF's I would take over Coutinho (this includes impossibles who are in bold)

De Bruyne (I still grieve, I never will stop) best AMF on the planet for years now, no one even remotely close, the only bigger gap between best and second best at a position is arguably TA-A at RB

Kai Havertz (will cost £100m plus so we have no chance, but he is De Bruyne's heir apparent I think as the best AMF on the planet in 3 years or so)

Bernardo Silva (he can play AMF, not just winger)

Bruno Fernandes <<< thank fuck Manure did not get him until January or we would so fucked now

James Maddison (will cost close to Havertz, so pass)

Jack Grealish <<<<< the ONE AMF I would move for over Coutinho

and two maybes, maybes (and both can play winger as well)

Nicolò Zaniolo (if he is oki after his horrid knee injury, if so then yes as he is young, 20yo, can play winger, is big, strong pacey and left-footed, but he, sigh, did his knee BAD, so he is a dice roll until I see 2 full healthy, fully recovered years)

Pablo Sarabia (only 2 months older than Coutinho, but not sure, although he has been a BEAST the past two seasons, at Sevilla and now PSG, pure class player, a late bloomer)

 

[OneMoSalah 9,108]

8 hours ago, Jason said:

In the midst of all this fancy transfer talk, we also still need to see how much are we being affected financially from this coronavirus situation. Our transfer budget, for all we know, could be reduced because the club have to cover up for losses etc. 

Precisely.

Wait and see though, the refreshing thing about this virus has been the lack of hugely optimistic we can spend 300-400m in 1 window on 7 new players posts with 2 or 3 totally unrealistic sales at unrealistic prices. Even though for the last 3 or 4 years we havent got close to it IIRC. Think th closest we have had in years was Conte's 2nd season? Which was 170-180m in one window? Or theres about.

I think we will have 100-125m max with this coronavirus shit if the season doesn't finish, if we are lucky. Okay we might sell a few but again many other clubs arent going to be buying for lots of cash either. Okay the Hazard money and the Morata money bla bla bla whatever else might be there but again its a might and even if it is it is not as if we will get all of that... more to running a football club than transfer budgets. Plus with this virus I am sure the club and Roman have taken a huge hit financially like everything else.

[Alabama 1,992]

Said Benhrama is the deal...Sancho might be too expensive..

[Jase 43,479]

6 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

Some Chelsea fans be like: Isco is shit, James Rodriguez is done, no need for Coutinho, he is overrated 😂😂 RLC and Barkley should play deeper 😂😂 Ziyech is winger 😂😂

I swear if we could sign prime Zidane for free some would be against it so we don't upset our little baby on that position 😂😂

Coutinho was best Brazilian player on World Cup and in team of the tournament. 

Maybe those "some Chelsea fans" you're talking about are a little more sane and not want every shiny looking "toys" out there just for the heck of it. 🙄 Think people have mentioned good points as to why we should stay clear of Coutinho etc but you chose to ignore them. Isco, James, Coutinho are all in their late 20s and should be in their prime but they have gone off the rails for years now, they aren't even first team starters for their own club and you should know something is not right when their club are desperate to get rid of a player, like in Coutinho's case. If they were a few years younger, I probably wouldn't mind to see us take a gamble on them - similar to Kovacic - but they aren't and after Shevchenko, Torres, Falcao, Pato etc, the club should do best to stay clear of washed-up esque players. And it says a lot if your best justification to sign Coutinho is that he was in the best XI of a tournament that happened TWO years ago.

Also, given the financial hit that we are likely to suffer, it's all the more important that the club make sure they sign the players that we need first and foremost - e.g. ST and LB - before moving to any potential so called luxury signings. 

[communicate 2,703]

10 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

Some Chelsea fans be like: Isco is shit, James Rodriguez is done, no need for Coutinho, he is overrated 😂😂 RLC and Barkley should play deeper 😂😂 Ziyech is winger 😂😂

I swear if we could sign prime Zidane for free some would be against it so we don't upset our little baby on that position 😂😂

Coutinho was best Brazilian player on World Cup and in team of the tournament. 

The problem we are talking about coutinho or James. If we can get mbappe, even if we have CHO, let's do it. 

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19 hours ago, lucio said:

Get coutinho and boga for willian and pedro,  big upgrade,  and we don't know for sure if we can rely on pulisic and cho 

 

 

Coutinho and boga for Willian and Pedro are not massive upgrade. 

I am really2 sad to see how Chelsea fans underapreciate Pedro and Willian.

[milka 3,407]

I see  Coutinho ->  Fabregas 2.0   

Fabregas  - Fail in Spain and then ....... master in our team (2014/15, 2016/17) 

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Edited March 14, 2021 by Chelsea_firstlove

[Vesper 31,113]

4 hours ago, milka said:

I see  Coutinho ->  Fabregas 2.0   

Fabregas  - Fail in Spain and then ....... master in our team (2014/15, 2016/17) 

Alex Telles €30m
Gabriel Magalhaes €30m
Coutinho €60m
Jeremie Boga €15m
Moussa Dembele €45m

total cost for FIVE key, class players

£158m  <<<<< insane steal

IF we pull all those off for that low price

add Ziyech in, that is only £194m TOTAL gross

that means we got 6 monster (counting Ziyech) upgrades and still have £6m left over (as we had £164m cumulative in the transfer kitty counting only DONE and future confirmed sales minus Kova and Ziyech spends) and that is not counting more sales to come

we pull all that shit off I will shut my gob about Marina for a loooong time, especially if she also pulls Gosens and dumps BOTH of our dregs at LB

[Jase 43,479]

3 hours ago, milka said:

I see  Coutinho ->  Fabregas 2.0   

Fabregas  - Fail in Spain and then ....... master in our team (2014/15, 2016/17) 

[Jase 43,479]

Have any of usually reliable Chelsea sources (e.g. Matt Law) even reported about us wanting Coutinho? All the noise seems to be coming from Spain only...

[Vesper 31,113]

1 hour ago, Jason said:

Have any of usually reliable Chelsea sources (e.g. Matt Law) even reported about us wanting Coutinho? All the noise seems to be coming from Spain only...

I would rather go for Grealish

he won't be going to Manure now that they have Bruno

but, like I said, as long as he is a fair price, I will not lose my mind at all over Coutinho

he is a class player and we would get 4 peak years or so out of him

I am far less 'MY WAY OR THE FUCKING HIGHWAY' at this point with transfers, due to COVID-19 wrecking most all of a footie for a damn long spell (financially at least, I so so SO hope no players anywhere get so ill they die)

hell, Coutinho plays a damn good LW at times

can you imagine

Grealish in the hole at No. 10

feeding

Coutinho LW

Ziyech RW

Dembele or Tammy CF

with Gosens or Telles bombing up on the left and Reece on the right

that's an opposing defence's NIGHTMARE

Villa are FUCKED, maybe administration bound if shit breaks badly

so they will surely cough up Grealish at a decent price

[Jase 43,479]

2 minutes ago, Vesper said:

I would rather go for Grealish

he won't be going to Manure now that they have Bruno

bt, like I said, as long as he is a fair price, I will not lose my mind at all over Coutinho

he is a class player and we would get 4 peak years or so out of him

I am far less 'MY WAY OR THE FUCKING HIGHWAY' at this point with transfers, due to COVID-19 wrecking most all of a footie for a damn long spell (financially at least, I so so SO hope no players anywhere get so ill they die)

hell, Coutinho plays a damn good LW at times

can you imagine

Grealish in the hole at No. 10

feeding

Coutinho LW

Ziyech RW

Dembele or Tammy CF

with Gosens or Telles bombing up on the left and Reece on the right

that's an opposing defence's NIGHTMARE

Villa are FUCKED, maybe administration bound if shit breaks badly

so they will surely cough up Grealish at a decent price

[King Kante 1,643]

Anyone who thinks there is going to be serious movement in the transfer market this Summer is deluded or on the crack pipe. Only transfers that will possibly happen are;

A) Players out of contract

B ) Players sent out on loan

C) Players in the last year of their contract and clubs are forced to take something. 

No way are clubs going out spending serious dollar this Summer. No chance. 

[lucio 5,418]

8 hours ago, communicate said:

Coutinho and boga for Willian and Pedro are not massive upgrade. 

I am really2 sad to see how Chelsea fans underapreciate Pedro and Willian.

Pedro was good but way past it now. Willian is hit and miss with terrible numbers 

 

[NikkiCFC 8,516]

39 minutes ago, King Kante said:

Anyone who thinks there is going to be serious movement in the transfer market this Summer is deluded or on the crack pipe. Only transfers that will possibly happen are;

A) Players out of contract

B ) Players sent out on loan

C) Players in the last year of their contract and clubs are forced to take something. 

No way are clubs going out spending serious dollar this Summer. No chance. 

Reports the other day said that UEFA will suspend FFP for next season. 

What makes you think that rich owners won't use that to spend more than in normal circumstances? 

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1 hour ago, Jason said:

We do have a fairly large amount of cash on hand

FFP is out the window for at least 2 or 3 years

and we have a shedload of players to sell

so money is not a problem at all, especially given those prices listed above that I was working off of.

IF we remove Sancho ()  and Chilwell from our targeting list, there are no insanely high priced players in all the mix (I already stated we cannot afford Havertz) UNLESS somehow, someway Lautaro falls into our lap, and his release clause (£97m and it is only in effect from July 1 to July 15th, 2020) is 30 or 40m quid less than what Sancho will go for (but still too high for what I think is our limit on a single player not named Sancho)

I do NOT think we will make a run for  any of the following huge priced players, probably, in most cases, ever:

Jan Oblak (£106m release clause, noper)
Paulo Dybala   (really cannot see Juve selling him, he played wonderfully this season, was tracking to 25 goals, 25 assists in a 4000 minute season)
Serge Gnabry (bullshit rumours, zero chance he leave the Bayern monsters)  
Saúl Ñíguez (AM are back to wanting his full, £132m release clause, so nope, he is worth 80 or 90m, but no way 132m)      
Sergej Milinkovic-Savic   (he is now back to £100m or more level, so no chance we dump that) 
Raphaël Varane   (Unless my pipe dream happens of a swap deal for Kante!!!!)
Marco Verratti (Gilmour's target should be his level of play, I fucking love both wee lads, but PSG are not at all insane, they would only sell him for Saul release clause-type money)  
Mauro Icardi   (PSG will surely exercise the option to buy, he was magnificent for them)
Gabriel Jesus   (zero chance Shitty would sell him to us) 
Ousmane Dembélé   (damaged goods and a mental case, HARD pass)  
José Giménez  no way AM sells him as long as Simeone (hard to believe he is only 49yo still) is there
Kalidou Koulibaly   (Manure bound I think for sure, and he turns 30 right after next season ends) 
Richarlison  (Everton can fuck off with his £100m price tag, and it is hard to believe that so many freaked out when they paid £40m for him, now that looks a steal, lolol)    
Marquinhos  (again, would LOVE to have him, but he would cast £90m plus, maybe £100m)
James Maddison    (£85-90m or so, hard pass)
Milan Skriniar   (I cannot see us dropping £90m or so on him)
Ben Chilwell   (hell no to £80m, the only 2 LB's on the planet I would pay that for are Robertson and Alphonso Davies, and to show you how times flies, Robertson turns 30 during the 2023-24 season, Davies is close to 7 years younger)
Wilfried Zaha (hell no to £80m, in fact I would not pay over £40m for him, as he only has 2 under 30yo season left)
José Gayà    (hell no to paying his £88m release clause, madness)  
Alessio Romagnoli  (Mino Raiola, enuff said, what a fucking shame, my dream CB duo (for ages and ages), would be Varane and Romagnoli, that's CL-winning level or damn close)

 

I do have one BIG price tag (I would assume, Everton have not listed what it would take) player I would drop £70-75m or so on, Dominic Calvert-Lewin, he will be a top ten on planet striker I think, BUT Everton (seeing as their other prices are cray, would demand £90m I think, as he just turned 23 three weeks ago, is English, and is under contract until 2025 now, with his brand new extension) For £90m that gets us damn near Lautaro and Dybala level, who are better (atm) players. Håland will more than likely pass them all, and if he keeps going up in a similar arc to now, could be the 2nd (after Mbappe) £200m plus player, although hsi release clause from Dortmund is far, far, far lower (or he would not have signed)

Bottom line on monster spends:

Left Manure go burn what will be approaching a quarter of a billion quid on Sancho and Koulibaly (I would say they pay around £220-230m for the pair, at least pre COVID-19 that is what they would have went for)

We are fucked from spending that level, due to the new stadium now officially done and buried.