Jase 43,479 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 Just now, Pizy said: Regarding Nathan Ake, it sort of makes sense that we haven't rushed in to activate the buy-back clause. Is he a very solid, modern CB who would improve the squad? Yes. But is he clearly better than what we already have? That I'm not so sure about. Having thought about it more, I'm wondering whose place he would even take? His skill set and ability are pretty much the same as Tomori's. Doesn't it feel like any CB we target should be a dramatic upgrade? Trouble is, there aren't many VVD's or Harry Maguire's out there. We need that sort of player who is physically dominant and can command the defense but is also great with the ball. Zouma has the first part but is an accident waiting to happen anywhere near the ball. Other than Koulibaly I'm not even familiar with who the current hot properties are in the CB market. My concern about the Ake situation is why we have not decided whether to buy him back or not. If the latest reports are to be believed, it still seems like we're dilly-dallying over it. Either get him now, ASAP when we have some free weeks coming up so that he can settle in etc or just decide 'no' and we move on. Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,175 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 12 minutes ago, Jason said: Could well be chatting shit, that's what I meant. might be, I guess we see what happens in the summer unless we end up buying Zaha (if we do that will mean dozens of articles were talking a different line of bullshit) and even then, someone will buy him, so we find out that way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,906 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 10 minutes ago, Jason said: My concern about the Ake situation is why we have not decided whether to buy him back or not. If the latest reports are to be believed, it still seems like we're dilly-dallying over it. Either get him now, ASAP when we have some free weeks coming up so that he can settle in etc or just decide 'no' and we move on. Yeah, you would think that if we were keen we'd have already moved. Maybe waiting on his injury? I know it's kind of petty to sign players simply to stop your rivals from doing so, but maybe we should just snatch him up before Arse or City do. He'd be a dramatic improvement at Arse and could be a long term partner for Laporte at City. Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,175 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Pizy said: Regarding Nathan Ake, it sort of makes sense that we haven't rushed in to activate the buy-back clause. Is he a very solid, modern CB who would improve the squad? Yes. But is he clearly better than what we already have? That I'm not so sure about. Having thought about it more, I'm wondering whose place he would even take? His skill set and ability are pretty much the same as Tomori's. Doesn't it feel like any CB we target should be a dramatic upgrade? Trouble is, there aren't many VVD's or Harry Maguire's out there. We need that sort of player who is physically dominant and can command the defense but is also great with the ball. Zouma has the first part but is an accident waiting to happen anywhere near the ball. Other than Koulibaly I'm not even familiar with who the current hot properties are in the CB market. Harry Maguire is staggeringly overrated the best CB's on the planet atm IMHO (this does not mean they are available as of now or that we should try and buy them, for example, Koulibaly is too old for the monet Napoli want, it is madness to pay £100m for one full season under 30yo) 1 VVD 2 Raphaël Varane 3 Kalidou Koulibaly 4 Aymeric Laporte (when healthy) 5 Milan Skriniar 6 José Giménez 7 Marquinhos 8 Alessio Romagnoli 9 Ibrahima Konaté (when healthy) 10 Matthijs de Ligt (has fallen off a bit, I expect him to rise again as some age off) 11 Lucas Hernández 12 Rúben Dias 13 Clément Lenglet 14 Dayot Upamecano 15 Antonio Rüdiger 16 Caglar Söyüncü 17 Stefan de Vrij 18 Harry Maguire 19 Diego Carlos 20 Éder Militão 21 Gerard Piqué (age) 22 Niklas Süle 23 Benjamin Pavard 24 Iñigo Martínez 25 Diego Godin (age) 26 Joel Matip 27 Yeray Álvarez 28 Nico Elvedi 29 Samuel Umtiti (when healthy) 30 Konstantinos Manolas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milka 3,394 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 Chelsea are cooling their interest in Borussia Dortmund forward Jadon Sancho because Frank Lampard believes bringing in a new striker is more important. (Times) expected maybe Zaha for €75.00m and £180,000 per week Vesper and Fernando 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDA 9,938 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 25 minutes ago, milka said: Chelsea are cooling their interest in Borussia Dortmund forward Jadon Sancho because Frank Lampard believes bringing in a new striker is more important. (Times) expected maybe Zaha for €75.00m and £180,000 per week Zaha isnt a striker though! Muzchap, killer1257 and Vesper 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Muzchap 8,966 Posted January 4, 2020 Popular Post! Share Posted January 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, DDA said: Zaha isnt a striker though! He's bang fucking average too killer1257, 0007, DDA and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,906 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 I will be the lone Zaha fan club member when he signs. 👍🏼 Hamilton, Vesper and Muzchap 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 30 minutes ago, Pizy said: I will be the lone Zaha fan club member when he signs. 👍🏼 No, I will be with you. Vesper and Pizy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,906 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, Special Juan said: No, I will be with you. The first time people who dislike him see him terrorize Arsenal or Spuds' fullbacks they'll fall in love. Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulsterchelsea 3,221 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 Truthfully sooner spend on zaha than dembele albeit they aren't the same position Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulsterchelsea 3,221 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 2 hours ago, milka said: Chelsea are cooling their interest in Borussia Dortmund forward Jadon Sancho because Frank Lampard believes bringing in a new striker is more important. (Times) expected maybe Zaha for €75.00m and £180,000 per week Where's the link? I follow Matt law who is (usually) on point with the news regarding us. Also checked times sport and seen this nowhere. Not that it matters because none of these lot know genuinely what we're planning. Can't remember too many sources picking up on the pulisic deal last year before it was official. Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,906 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, ulsterchelsea said: Truthfully sooner spend on zaha than dembele albeit they aren't the same position Yeah, both positions are needed this month. Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomiswave 6,117 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Muzchap said: He's bang fucking average too Bang fucking average man, we can surely do better at those fees, someone younger and with more potential. If we shit down 70-80m on him then we have learnt jack shit. Anything above 40m and its criminal imo, Nicco, Vesper, manpe and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 14 minutes ago, Atomiswave said: Bang fucking average man, we can surely do better at those fees, someone younger and with more potential. If we shit down 70-80m on him then we have learnt jack shit. Anything above 40m and its criminal imo, Think you're being vastly unfair on him, while I'd agree 70m is too much is isn't "bang fucking average". His performances and stats at Palace are similar to Damien Duff's at Blackburn and he didn't do too badly with the step up. Stats and ulsterchelsea 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomiswave 6,117 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 34 minutes ago, Tomo said: Think you're being vastly unfair on him, while I'd agree 70m is too much is isn't "bang fucking average". His performances and stats at Palace are similar to Damien Duff's at Blackburn and he didn't do too badly with the step up. Sorry mate but thats not a good analogy. And for 70m plus he is average. We cant afford to fuck about no longer, we must be crucial and smart this time. Hence I dont see Zaha as a smart buy, not at the claimed fees anyway. I dont believe we we are after him to be honest, it will probably be Dembele and Dembele only in Jan. But even that looks a tough one to pull off. Vesper and Muzchap 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulsterchelsea 3,221 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, Atomiswave said: Sorry mate but thats not a good analogy. And for 70m plus he is average. We cant afford to fuck about no longer, we must be crucial and smart this time. Hence I dont see Zaha as a smart buy, not at the claimed fees anyway. I dont believe we we are after him to be honest, it will probably be Dembele and Dembele only in Jan. But even that looks a tough one to pull off. Damien Duff is most definitely a good analogy. Great player Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikkiCFC 8,319 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 52 minutes ago, Tomo said: His performances and stats at Palace are similar to Damien Duff's at Blackburn and he didn't do too badly with the step up. Actually Mane's two seasons in Southampton and Zaha's last two seasons very similar stats. Fernando and Tomo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomiswave 6,117 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 33 minutes ago, ulsterchelsea said: Damien Duff is most definitely a good analogy. Great player He was indeed a good player but because he turned out good for us does not mean Zaha will be as good. We had a monster of a team, players we could count on to pick up the slack etc. I just dont see Zaha as a Chels player now or in the future, if he comes and does well I happily admit I was way wrong. Vesper and Muzchap 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrique 9,133 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 Why do you guys dont like Zaha? The dude is pretty good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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