closed Chelsea 2-0 Newcastle

[Jase 43,479]

1 minute ago, killer1257 said:

Do you think that Pulisic and Ziyech are type of players that will sit 4 months on the bench and think everything is fine? 

The problem is that we play a system with 2 no. 10 players. Pulisic, Werner, Ziyech, Mount, Kai and sometimes CHO are the possible players for this current system. We have way too many players for these positions and we need to sell, otherwise some players will start moaning again. Our squad is too big 

I do agree that we're overloaded with attacking options but can't be bad to have options? Feel like Havertz can also play the False 9/ST role and it's also up to the others to step up and do better. It's not like Pulisic and Ziyech are playing well at the moment to deserve complaining about the lack of playing time. They haven't done enough all this season. And when Tuchel plays with a back 4, one more attacking space will open up. The back 3 might be a short term solution for now and might become a more occasional thing next season. 

[NikkiCFC 8,285]

3 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

Do you think that Pulisic and Ziyech are type of players that will sit 4 months on the bench and think everything is fine? 

The problem is that we play a system with 2 no. 10 players. Pulisic, Werner, Ziyech, Mount, Kai and sometimes CHO are the possible players for this current system. We have way too many players for these positions and we need to sell, otherwise some players will start moaning again. Our squad is too big 

They are under contract. 

This season is like rehearsal for all of them. They will all get chance. 

We are speaking for 3 most attacking positions on the pitch. Who delivers in terms of numbers and in the final 3rd will play. 

[killer1257 3,282]

1 minute ago, Jason said:

I do agree that we're overloaded with attacking options but can't be bad to have options? Feel like Havertz can also play the False 9/ST role and it's also up to the others to step up and do better. It's not like Pulisic and Ziyech are playing well at the moment to deserve complaining about the lack of playing time. They haven't done enough all this season. And when Tuchel plays with a back 4, one more attacking space will open up. The back 3 might be a short term solution for now and might become a more occasional thing next season. 

Tuchel needs to convince all those players that do not play often that they are still in his plans. 

I also believe that players like Ziyech need to play couple of matches in a row to get into their rhythm again. For example, KDB is a top class passing midfielder and when Mou did not use him for 3 months in a row and played him in a cup game, KDB was useless and could not play a simple pass. I was shocked when I saw that.

Having options is good, but having too many options with those kind of names is a disaster because the day will come that they start moaning behind the scenes again. 

We will see in pre season what Tuchel's long term plan is regarding formation, but if he wants that kind of formation to play almost every week, we have way too many players

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1 minute ago, killer1257 said:

Tuchel needs to convince all those players that do not play often that they are still in his plans. 

I also believe that players like Ziyech need to play couple of matches in a row to get into their rhythm again. For example, KDB is a top class passing midfielder and when Mou did not use him for 3 months in a row and played him in a cup game, KDB was useless and could not play a simple pass. I was shocked when I saw that.

Having options is good, but having too many options with those kind of names is a disaster because the day will come that they start moaning behind the scenes again. 

We will see in pre season what Tuchel's long term plan is regarding formation, but if he wants that kind of formation to play almost every week, we have way too many players

TBF, De Bruyne was quite young back then but I definitely don't agree that Mourinho should have binned of course. 

Otherwise, I agree with you. Think a lot will come down to what happens in the summer really because we definitely need to reshape the squad a little. 

[killer1257 3,282]

6 minutes ago, Jason said:

TBF, De Bruyne was quite young back then but I definitely don't agree that Mourinho should have binned of course. 

Otherwise, I agree with you. Think a lot will come down to what happens in the summer really because we definitely need to reshape the squad a little. 

I just hope we did not waste all this money for players that Tuchel does not need for his system. If we switch back to a back 4, I think more players would be happy and they would more or less get a fair chance to prove their worth. 

Funny thing is that during summer, some of our loanees will come back. Guehi should be someone to watch. Ampadu has improved his form big time. Both are perfect in a back 3.

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4 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

I just hope we did not waste all this money for players that Tuchel does not need for his system. If we switch back to a back 4, I think more players would be happy and they would more or less get a fair chance to prove their worth. 

Funny thing is that during summer, some of our loanees will come back. Guehi should be someone to watch. Ampadu has improved his form big time. Both are perfect in a back 3.

Looking forward to the inevitable Tuchel v Marina fight! 🤣

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1 hour ago, Milan said:

 

Also this...

It's nothing big but it's nice to see a manager barking out orders again on the touchline after what we saw with Lampard. 

[Muzchap 8,966]

1 hour ago, NikkiCFC said:

That is funny coming from the guy who was always optimistic under Lampard even when we were 2:0 down. 

Yeah real funny. I cannot stop myself laughing about it. Hilarious. 

[Azul 1,615]

I'm a huge Tuchel fan and was one of the biggest Lampard-out members on this forum, but I'm just not trusting the players to beat solid teams that can actually press properly. We looked bad when the likes of Barnsley, Sheffield and Newcastle have pressed us. Imagine what Southampton, Atletico and United will do when our only way to beat the press is to clear the ball? This is clearly not a manager issue but a personnel issue, hence why we're looking to get a lot of new players in the summer.

I hope Thiago Silva returns as soon as possible, because we desperately need a ball playing defender to bring the ball to the midfielders or attackers. Without him we look toothless in possession when we're being pressed.

[Azul 1,615]

58 minutes ago, Jason said:

Looking forward to the inevitable Tuchel v Marina fight! 🤣

I like Marina as a businesswoman and a closer of deals. However it really annoys me when she wants to get involved in the football side of things, when she doesn't have as much knowledge as the manager or technical director.

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3 hours ago, Blue Armour said:

That being said, I wouldn't be surprised to see him start another league game, with Mendy probably starting again in the Champions league against Athletico.

It's 2021...how are people still spelling Atletico wrong!? 

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Tuchel revealed that he's given the players 2 days off. Will be back training on Thursday.

[Blue Armour 4,436]

6 hours ago, Jason said:

 

Phew...that's good to know

[Muzchap 8,966]

8 hours ago, Azul said:

I'm a huge Tuchel fan and was one of the biggest Lampard-out members on this forum, but I'm just not trusting the players to beat solid teams that can actually press properly. We looked bad when the likes of Barnsley, Sheffield and Newcastle have pressed us. Imagine what Southampton, Atletico and United will do when our only way to beat the press is to clear the ball? This is clearly not a manager issue but a personnel issue, hence why we're looking to get a lot of new players in the summer.

I hope Thiago Silva returns as soon as possible, because we desperately need a ball playing defender to bring the ball to the midfielders or attackers. Without him we look toothless in possession when we're being pressed.

I'm in the opposite camp. I liked Frank, I'm not keen at all on Tuchel.

I agree though - we looked awful 2nd half. 

I'm being slated because I supported Frank and don't support Tuchel - it has nothing to do with that. Even Stevie Wonder can see we are hopeless in a press situation. 

We need players finding space much more intelligently and/or to put diagonals or balls over the top. I didn't see any of this against Newcastle. In fact where I witnessed the possibility to do so, we always chose the wrong option.

Have we just got a bunch of thick players?

[Azul 1,615]

1 hour ago, Muzchap said:

I'm in the opposite camp. I liked Frank, I'm not keen at all on Tuchel.

I agree though - we looked awful 2nd half. 

I'm being slated because I supported Frank and don't support Tuchel - it has nothing to do with that. Even Stevie Wonder can see we are hopeless in a press situation. 

We need players finding space much more intelligently and/or to put diagonals or balls over the top. I didn't see any of this against Newcastle. In fact where I witnessed the possibility to do so, we always chose the wrong option.

Have we just got a bunch of thick players?

When we had Frank we had a bad manager and some awful players at the same time. Tuchel's tactics is carrying us at the moment, hence why we are getting these results. I look at some of the fringe players and I literally can't wait until we sell them in the summer. 

I am positive that Tuchel can do great things with proper additions in the summer.

Edited February 16, 2021 by Azul