The Tuchel Thread

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

39 minutes ago, Gundalf said:

Weird how some of our players thank the Queen more than Tuchel. 

A lot of them didnt like Tuchel.

[robsblubot 3,595]

Tuchel immediately saw the obvious: that this squad couldn't play as equals against the other big clubs esp in CL.

So, he made the team "run like dogs" (not only Werner) so to be able to match up with the top sides who have more quality than us, esp up front.

It's very difficult to keep running rich-entitled footballers into the ground. They eventually grow to dislike the person demanding sacrifices, the man in charge. This is not much different from what happened with Mourinho, for ex. I guess that is why Pep and Klopp are the top managers out there -- they keep players happy and engaged and still demand sacrifices.

Unfortunately, I agree with Tuchel in that that's the only way this team could have won. Now, with the loss of key players and questionable replacements, I don't think this team can be competitive at all.... top 4 is the only "silverware" that is attainable -- maybe a cup?

The new manager is a nobody... it used to take some level of success for managers to get a shot at a big club. That does not mean he will fail, but does make it a huge gamble.

[MoroccanBlue 5,375]

23 minutes ago, robsblubot said:

The new manager is a nobody... it used to take some level of success for managers to get a shot at a big club. That does not mean he will fail, but does make it a huge gamble.

I would say Potter right now is the equivalent to Tuchel when he first took over Dortmund. 

Tuchel took Mainz from the bottom of the table to the Europa League. Potter took Ostersund back to back promotions and then got them to the Europa League. 

 

 

[robsblubot 3,595]

6 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

I would say Potter right now is the equivalent to Tuchel when he first took over Dortmund. 

Tuchel took Mainz from the bottom of the table to the Europa League. Potter took Ostersund back to back promotions and then got them to the Europa League. 

 

 

Sorry I don't think their resumes are comparable

2015–2017	Borussia Dortmund
2018–2020	Paris Saint-Germain
2021–2022	Chelsea

Edited September 8, 2022 by robsblubot

[MoroccanBlue 5,375]

Just now, robsblubot said:

Sorry I don't think their resumes are comparable

2015–2017	Borussia Dortmund
2018–2020	Paris Saint-Germain
2021–2022	Chelsea

Nor did I say they were. I said when Tuchel first joined Dortmund, both Tuchel and Potter had similar managing histories prior. Taking a lower level club to the Europa league. In Potter's case, he won back to back promotions before doing so. 

[robsblubot 3,595]

9 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Nor did I say they were. I said when Tuchel first joined Dortmund, both Tuchel and Potter had similar managing histories prior. Taking a lower level club to the Europa league. In Potter's case, he won back to back promotions before doing so. 

fair enough, so the clear step missing here is the mid-size club. And Chelsea was also the second big club for Tuchel.

It usually makes a huge difference in the interaction with players as alluded so by others here.

Anyway, it's done deal, so now just hope the gamble works to some degree.

Edited September 9, 2022 by robsblubot

[ulsterchelsea 3,221]

4 hours ago, Gundalf said:

Weird how some of our players thank the Queen more than Tuchel. 

TT didn't die

[Gundalf 805]

 

Look at this guy please. Not only does he REALLY thank him, our best player by far is apologising to him for not being of more help. 

It is a privilege to have this guy at our club. 

Edited September 8, 2022 by Gundalf

[OneMoSalah 8,883]

5 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said:

I would say Potter right now is the equivalent to Tuchel when he first took over Dortmund. 

Tuchel took Mainz from the bottom of the table to the Europa League. Potter took Ostersund back to back promotions and then got them to the Europa League. 

 

 

I am sorry but what? 🤣

The situations aren’t even removedly close. Or comparable because the levels are different. 

[Blue Armour 4,436]

3 hours ago, Gundalf said:

 

Look at this guy please. Not only does he REALLY thank him, our best player by far is apologising to him for not being of more help. 

It is a privilege to have this guy at our club. 

Lampard deserves a lot of credit here. He brought in Thiago Silva, and also integrated James and Mount 

[Strike 7,474]

16 hours ago, Blues Forever said:

 

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[DDA 9,924]

4-4-3 formation? 

No goalkeeper 😂

[Strike 7,474]

Going by that Athletic article - Tuchel was making far more sense than the owners in terms of the transfers. The club has briefed all journalists and Tuchel's version of things is not out there as much. But it seems, Tuchel wanted Matthijs de Ligt, Raphinha, Frenkie de Jong and Presnel Kimpembe. He did not want Kounde and Ronaldo which were broadly the right decisions for me.

The communication breakdown between owners and Tuchel is a serious issue and it seems to be over Tuchel not wanting to take up a lot of the recruitment responsibilities and instead focus on the coaching part. Here, Tuchel should have stepped up - He did not have the same energy in the summer to sync up with the new structure and instead talked about missing Petr Cech and how he's not liking recruitment

I can understand the club's decision to sack Tuchel but Todd and co. are accountable from now on. They have to hold up to their ideals of long-term vision and planning at least with Potter.

[bigbluewillie 1,930]

3 hours ago, DDA said:

4-4-3 formation? 

No goalkeeper 😂

LOL

Back in my days of park footy we had rush keepers, so 4-4-3 was possible🤪

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