closed Spurs 1-1 Chelsea

[Vesper 30,184]

5 minutes ago, Hutcho said:

What players are being pissed away 5 games into the season?

I get its just happened so everyone is going nuts per usual. But bit of a leap to say our new signings are getting pissed away when they aren't even all playing and fully up to speed yet.

if you cannot see it, I cannot help you

sorry

and its been over a year, well, over now

defensively we are still shambolic far too often

as was Derby

it appears to be a Lampard thing

[11Drogba 2,000]

1 minute ago, Pizy said:

I gave @prehuman a ~2 week timeout for obsessively whining about Mount. Chill, guys.

Hopefully in two weeks his prehuman stage will be over.

[Hutcho 8,443]

 

 

 

Lampard supporters need to understand to put the club first over the club's top ever goalscorer.

Lampard is a Chelsea legend as a player and he always will be. But he isn't cutting it as a coach. He just isn't. He had a whole year to sort this mess out, and a year later on - even when backed the mess is still there.

Yes, I'm aware that he had problems with LBs and GKs that weren't his fault, but going forward we still look awful. Tonight, we were in Love Island most of the time chilling.

You can't compare him to Klopp anymore, you simply can't!

 

He hasn't had a whole year to sort this mess out though.

The "mess" isn't gonna go away over night.

 

I'm not saying he doesn't get blame for any of our poor results or tactics. But this is lampards season to sort it out. If he doesn't sort it out this season he knows he'll be gone.

 

He's brought in the payers he wants. New gk, new left back. Thiago silva. Now he can work with those players and fix the mess. If he can't fix the mess and it's still the same he knows he'll be gone.

 

5 games into the season isn't that time though

 

[Hutcho 8,443]

if you cannot see it, I cannot help you
sorry
and its been over a year, well, over now
defensively we are still shambolic far too often
as was Derby
it appears to be a Lampard thing

Yeah but what players are amazing that are being pissed away. This is the point. These players weren't amazing under Sarri barring kante. The new ones have been here 3 weeks. So I don't get the point?

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

6 minutes ago, Vesper said:

insanely great recruiter

even better player

unfortunately a bit clueless and very naïve as a manager

I think Lampard should not be sacked but 'promoted' to some management capacity that involves scouting and recruiting of players. Here, his record speaks for itself. At some point he might even come out as a decent manager but IMO his true forte is politics and management. He does not enjoy the day-job of coaching drills and all the repetitive micro-managing that comes with it. Also, I think to be successful as a coach you need to be a bit crazy like Conte, Klopp, Pep all are. I always saw JT as coach and Lampard as executive director of the club.

[King Kante 1,643]

12 minutes ago, communicate said:

I am quite surprised for anyone who praised our team. 

Do you realize spurs played 0 striker? 

Imagine we play cho and mount up top. 

Before kane came on, it was nothing game. We can pretty much do whatever we want. 

Yes, but they still had their starting back four and GK on, so it wasn't exactly as if they just rolled over/had the kids out. Further, our team wasn't great, which I admitted. The biggest problem at the moment lies with the manager and the lack of tactical cohesion for sure. My point was that the team tonight wasn't near our first XI, whixh is true. 

[Vesper 30,184]

1 minute ago, Hutcho said:

 

 

Yeah but what players are amazing that are being pissed away. This is the point. These players weren't amazing under Sarri barring kante. The new ones have been here 3 weeks. So I don't get the point?

 

if you think many of the players we have are not top class, then I do not know what to say

it doesn't take weeks to not play negative listless football

and also, the mistakes on defence, with many of the same players, are far higher under Lampard than even under the old smoker

and NO,I am not buying the 'OMG losing Luiz is what caused it' bollocks that I have seen pushed

Luiz was shambolic so many times

[blu35_army 551]

8 minutes ago, Mana said:

Lampard supporters need to understand to put the club first over the club's top ever goalscorer.

Lampard is a Chelsea legend as a player and he always will be. But he isn't cutting it as a coach. He just isn't. He had a whole year to sort this mess out, and a year later on - even when backed the mess is still there.

Yes, I'm aware that he had problems with LBs and GKs that weren't his fault, but going forward we still look awful. Tonight, we were in Love Island most of the time chilling.

You can't compare him to Klopp anymore, you simply can't!

yeah,,at least klopp's first two season has a clear direction to make gegenpress doing well. that's what you call project....

[King Kante 1,643]

15 minutes ago, Jason said:

Do we even know what our best XI is? I mean, Lampard has constantly made so many changes to the side, it's hard to know who is first choice and who isn't anymore.

And close to best XI or not, we still put out a strong team compared to what Spurs put out and yet, we were horrible. Once Spurs suddenly started applying more pressure in the second half, we had no answer and we looked clueless. The sideways and backwards passing in injury time summed up the clueless performance. 

No, we do not and that has more to do with the manager. However, that aside we all know Kova/Jorgi as a combo is cupcake soft and will allow teams to run straight through us and that Zouma and Tomori are still tactically poorer than AC (although he has a problem with physicality and mentality.) 

[Hutcho 8,443]

if you think many of the players we have are not top class, then I do not know what to say
it doesn't take weeks to not play negative listless football
and also, the mistakes on defence, with many of the same players, are far higher under Lampard than even under the old smoker
and NO,I am not buying the 'OMG losing Luiz is what caused it' bollocks that I have seen pushed
Luiz was shambolic so many times

We have decent players. That was never the point. My point was that I don't get who's being pissed away. Who was amazing under Sarri that is getting pissed away now?

For example with the goal we conceded. I think you can blame lamps for even putting him on (but he was protecting chillwell for the weekend). But Emerson knows and would have been trained to track that run. Emersons fuck up can't be blamed on the manager other than putting him on in the first place.

[Vesper 30,184]

10 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

I think Lampard should not be sacked but 'promoted' to some management capacity that involves scouting and recruiting of players. Here, his record speaks for itself. At some point he might even come out as a decent manager but IMO his true forte is politics and management. He does not enjoy the day-job of coaching drills and all the repetitive micro-managing that comes with it. Also, I think to be successful as a coach you need to be a bit crazy like Conte, Klopp, Pep all are. I always saw JT as coach and Lampard as executive director of the club.

Simeone is insane as well

but the club is not built for his style

2 clear names

Nagelsmann

Poch (I do not give a rat's red arse that he was Spuds, look at Mou)

 

[Vesper 30,184]

1 minute ago, Hutcho said:

 

 

We have decent players. That was never the point. My point was that I don't get who's being pissed away. Who was amazing under Sarri that is getting pissed away now?

For example with the goal we conceded. I think you can blame lamps for even putting him on (but he was protecting chillwell for the weekend). But Emerson knows and would have been trained to track that run. Emersons fuck up can't be blamed on the manager other than putting him on in the first place.

 

the system is pissing them away

and you are damn right, Emerson should NEVER have been on the pitch

yet another very poor Lamps sub

[Hutcho 8,443]

the system is pissing them away
and you are damn right, Emerson should NEVER have been on the pitch
yet another very poor Lamps sub

Yes, but he was resting chillwell coming back from injury. If he got injured everyone would have said that he should have eased him in. So I get his reasoning. I would have done it but I get it.

I don't get that about how a system is pissing them away. We don't even have our wingers back yet. We can't talk about our system as we need wingers to effectively play it.

And last season was the same team as Sarri barring no hazard which is a big loss.
We conceded 15 more goals and scored 6 more.
Kepa also had the worst season of all time being 12 goals under expected goals conceded. He was slightly below average the Sarri year. So unless we are blaming Frank on kepa going to full shit that accounts for a lot of it. We also played a lot more open due to us trying to be more attacking with the youth and we scored more than a team with hazard so not too bad.

Now were we more naive... Yes. Has he made some weird selections, and tactical changes and subs... All yes. But you cant just judge 1 season and 5 games of a new season and put it all on lampard.

As I said in reply to someone else. He has had a window and has brought in some players to help. We will see in the coming weeks after the international break how we are doing and then go from there. But this is his seasons to improve it and kick on from last. Everyone including him knows roman won't put up with it if we don't improve.

5 games in isn't when people should be writing him off.

[Vesper 30,184]

3 minutes ago, Hutcho said:

Yes, but he was resting chillwell coming back from injury. If he got injured everyone would have said that he should have eased him in. So I get his reasoning. I would have done it but I get it.

I don't get that about how a system is pissing them away. We don't even have our wingers back yet. We can't talk about our system as we need wingers to effectively play it.

And last season was the same team as Sarri barring no hazard which is a big loss.
We conceded 15 more goals and scored 6 more.
Kepa also had the worst season of all time being 12 goals under expected goals conceded. He was slightly below average the Sarri year. So unless we are blaming Frank on kepa going to full shit that accounts for a lot of it. We also played a lot more open due to us trying to be more attacking with the youth and we scored more than a team with hazard so not too bad.

Now were we more naive... Yes. Has he made some weird selections, and tactical changes and subs... All yes. But you cant just judge 1 season and 5 games of a new season and put it all on lampard.

As I said in reply to someone else. He has had a window and has brought in some players to help. We will see in the coming weeks after the international break how we are doing and then go from there. But this is his seasons to improve it and kick on from last. Everyone including him knows roman won't put up with it if we don't improve.

5 games in isn't when people should be writing him off.

its far more than 5 games in

[Hutcho 8,443]

its far more than 5 games in

Brighton. Pool. Barnsley. West Brom. Spurs. 

5 games since he's had a window and been able to bring in players etc as I said. It's been 5 games.

 

Last season we exceeded expectations as well by the way as we were written off from the start without hazard. I know it's easy for everyone to forget that. No one thought we'd get top 4.

 

 

 

[cosmicway 1,333]

All this  talk reminds of the famous deabte of the seventies with the slogan "bring back the wingers".
But if sir Alf brought back the wingers he would also have to talk the opposition into leaving empty spaces for them.
Obviously it's not Frank's fault when the ball slips under Tiago Silva's foot and we saw a certain improvement defense-wise today.
But there is no Eden in the team anymore and no Didier Drogba to perform magic.
The new star Havertz did not even play today. At least we got Timo who is going the prove the better of Diego. Wait and see.

 

[Vesper 30,184]

13 minutes ago, Hutcho said:

Brighton. Pool. Barnsley. West Brom. Spurs. 

5 games since he's had a window and been able to bring in players etc as I said. It's been 5 games.

 

Last season we exceeded expectations as well by the way as we were written off from the start without hazard. I know it's easy for everyone to forget that. No one thought we'd get top 4.

 

 

 

last season we were horrific on defence and once again relied on collapses by other teams to sneak in the back door to the top 4

we had 13 or 14 horrid league games against shit teams where we pissed away 20 plus points

search the site, I listed them and and in detail

I will start you out

the NUFC last kick of the game choke deluxe

West Ham also doing the double on us via shit defensive chokes

[Jase 43,479]

Am really puzzled by how much the missing players are being used as an excuse for Lampard and for our poor displays so far. Sure, we will be better when the likes of Pulisic, Ziyech are back to full fitness but is their absence really an excuse for how clueless we have looked, how we do not look to have an identity? Whenever we play now, does anyone have any idea how we are going to play, what's our general game plan gonna be like, what's our system etc? Compare Lampard to our previous 3 permanent managers - Mourinho, Conte and Sarri. They didn't have the right players they want but immediately, we could at least tell how they want us to play. They set about their system, ideas, game plan etc. With Mourinho, it was 4-2-3-1 and it was pragmatic. With Conte, it was 3-4-3 and it was pragmatic. With Sarri, it was 4-3-3 and he wanted us to dominate possession and attack the opposition. They weren't always pretty and am sure we have been frustrated by them at one point or another but at least the plan, the system, the idea were there. But with Lampard? Sure, some players are out at the moment but he's been here for over a year and every match is basically a guessing game over the system, game plan and starting XI. It's hard to know what he is trying to do and what to expect anymore when there is no consistency whatsoever.

[Hutcho 8,443]

 

 

 

 

last season we were horrific on defence and once again relied on collapses by other teams to sneak in the back door to the top 4 we had 13 or 14 horrid league games against shit teams where we pissed away 20 plus points

search the site, I listed them and and in detail

I will start you out

the NUFC last kick of the game choke deluxe

West Ham also doing the double on us via shit defensive chokes

 

 

Last season we conceded the 3rd least amount of shots but a shit ton of goals. Our keeper was a big reason for that.

Again we exceeded expectations. We dropped 6 points after losing hazard. We were expected to drop a lot more so I don't get that argument at all. We pissed away points for sure as did many teams. We were always going to. It was an in experienced team with a shaky defence and a historically shit keeper. It was expected.

 

Sure we had a lot to work on defensively but that was always the case and unless we Sarri balled it up then we were gonna be more open the way we were trying to play going forward.

 

So again, he earned this season with his guys. 2.5 weeks in the season isn't the time for the lampard out shite.

 

Sure he has made errors and I am not arguing that. But you can't judge the first 5 games of the season as if its the be all and end all.

 

Wolves lost 4 nil to West ham are they shit now? City lost 5 2 to leciester. United have performed shockingly since the start if the season. The only team solid and consistent is Liverpool.

 

5 games is nothing and a team with a shit ton of new people is gonna take some time to work as it always was. So we can't judge anything yet. Let's have 6 games with keepers who don't let everything that comes their way in and our new defenders and see how our defence looks.

 

 

 

[Vesper 30,184]

7 minutes ago, Jason said:

But with Lampard? Sure, some players are out at the moment but he's been here for over a year and every match is basically a guessing game over the system, game plan and starting XI. It's hard to know what he is trying to do and what to expect anymore when there is no consistency whatsoever.