closed Chelsea 0-2 Liverpool

[Special Juan 28,141]

Send Kepa to the youth team, and quickly before this window closes get him out.

[killer1257 3,282]

No we had issues against Brighton and even still every corner was squeeky bum time [emoji3] hopefully Mendy sorts that out.

Ahh okay haha. We did not concede any goal from a set piece, so I thought we improved lol

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[Jase 43,479]

1 minute ago, Ryan Fong said:

What’s the result in that game then? 4:1 down, Pulisic’s individual brilliance bailed us out and climbed back to 4:3 then lost 5:3 final score.

I said "second game last season", not the "second last game of last season". Remember the UEFA Super Cup?

1 minute ago, Ryan Fong said:

Play possession football doesn’t guarantee us don’t concede with shit defense setup and shit GK does it?

The point is the intent. Am fine with the counter attacking approach but what the hell were we trying to do going forward? It looked as though our plan was to just give Werner the ball and hoped he score from somewhere. Otherwise, the game plan looked like a containment job. We would be better off going down swinging and see what would have happened, because the general approach to sit back and counter didn't work, did it when there's people Christensen and Kepa at the back?

[chelsea_4_eva 1,182]

Kepa is done. Thats it, final nail.

Before some people (in the club) still had faith, but after that.. no turning back. He needs a loan out of the PL.

[cosmicway 1,333]

Christensen-Kepa-Missed penalty !

[Blue Armour 4,439]

21 minutes ago, dreamcfc said:

Bang on.

I feel we have no identity at the minute, we don't know what we're going to get, I saw good signs early last season of a fast style of play, we have since gone really backwards from that in my opinion and loads of back and forth changes,

Joringho is the 1 that sums it up for me really, not the only 1 but he went from being our captain to the bench to not even in the squad now he is our captain again today.

The longer Frank has been here the more he can't make his mind up , I know it's really early and hope im wrong but I feel we are going backwards. 

Its because of the squad options available. Mount is a given in his teams.

When all players are fit, you will be guaranteed to see Timo-Pulisic-Ziyech up front, with Kovacic-Mount-Kante completing the midfield 3. If Havertz settles in soon, you will see him displace one of those midfield 3.

 

[Blue Armour 4,439]

14 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

Is it me or did we improve our set piece defending?

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Definitely better than the Brighton game.

Kepa was also more vocal in this game..Although I don't think that will matter much, now that Mendy is coming in.

[cosmicway 1,333]

I thnk it's a disease with goalkeepers passing the ball to the opponent.
Last week we profited, now Kepa passed to Mane !
In the old days when returning the ball to the goalkeeper was allowed it was pretty rare.
I remember Lev Yashin did a Kepa thing once against Greece but it was n't the sort of thing you expected to see in a football match.
Now Kepa in a moment of complacency (his usual state of mind) passes the ball to the Liverpool attacker. Steve Gerrard's revenge.

[dreamcfc 182]

8 minutes ago, Blue Armour said:

Its because of the squad options available. Mount is a given in his teams.

When all players are fit, you will be guaranteed to see Timo-Pulisic-Ziyech up front, with Kovacic-Mount-Kante completing the midfield 3. If Havertz settles in soon, you will see him displace one of those midfield 3.

 

So why is Jorginho our Captain today, 2 weeks ago he was gone? speculation yes but only due to bad squad management in my opinion, Jorginho don't even get in the squad sometimes next he's the main man.
Lampard has had a year to decide what to do with Kante Kova and Jorginho, he hasnt got a clue what he wants from what I can see. Just 1 example.

Playing all 3 of them didn't work last season and he trashed it, what's so different that it's going to start working now?
 

[Blue Armour 4,439]

5 minutes ago, dreamcfc said:

So why is Jorginho our Captain today, 2 weeks ago he was gone?
Lampard has had a year to decide what to do with Kante Kova and Jorginho, he hasnt got a clue what he wants from what I can see. Just 1 example.
 

He needed someone to help clog up the midfield, and Mount presses more than Barkley, CHO or RLC. If he was more adventurous he would could have played CHO on the wing and dropped Jorginho for Mount.

Clearly that was not the plan.

If we had Pulisic and/or Ziyech fit today, I can guarantee he wouldn't have resorted to such tactics.

Jorginho would have been dropped and you would have had Mount Kova and Kante in midfield. Maybe even Kova dropped for Havertz (unlikely though, since he still hasn't settled in).

 

[dreamcfc 182]

1 minute ago, Blue Armour said:

He needed someone to help clog up the midfield, and Mount presses more than Barkley, CHO or RLC. If he was more adventurous he would could have played CHO on the wing and dropped Jorginho for mount.

Clearly that was not the plan.

If we had Pulisic and/or Ziyech fit today, I can guarantee he would not resort to such tactics.

Jorginho would have been dropped and you would have had Mount Kova and Kante in midfield. Maybe even Kova dropped for Havertz (unlikely though, since he still hasn't settled in).

Sorry but can't agree, you don't bring in a player who wasn't making your bench a few games prior to name him captain just to clog up the midfield.

I understand the wanting to go compact, but as I said, he has been doing this since last season and it didn't work, what's so different this year that these 3 can suddenly all play together?

[Jase 43,479]

1 minute ago, Blue Armour said:

If we had Pulisic and/or Ziyech fit today, I can guarantee he would not resort to such tactics.

I find this somewhat amusing. Yes, we were missing several players and it wasn't our ideal starting XI but barring Pulisic and Willian as well as the new additions of Werner and Havertz, this is pretty much the same team that played well - much better than today, even before going down to 10 men - against Liverpool (except the game at Anfield) and Man City last season. Are you seriously saying that Pulisic being out and Willian no longer here has changed our approach this much? 

[Laylabelle 9,535]

Just passed the Liverpool coach on the motorway..  

BOOOOO

[Blue Armour 4,439]

Just now, Jason said:

I find this somewhat amusing. Yes, we were missing several players and it wasn't our ideal starting XI but barring Pulisic and Willian as well as the new additions of Werner and Havertz, this is pretty much the same team that played well - much better than today, even before going down to 10 men - against Liverpool (except the game at Anfield) and Man City last season. Are you seriously saying that Pulisic being out and Willian no longer here has changed our approach this much? 

 

But from where were you expecting creativity to come from, if not Pulisic or Willian. Havertz?

Don't give me that BS about him not playing in his 'favored' position. The guy hasn't settled in yet and is not ready.

He could have taken a risk with CHO or Barkley in the lineup instead and played more gung ho, but I can guarantee we would have been ripped to shreds on the counter.

Christensen's mistake came from us giving up possession high up the pitch., one of the few times we decided to play with 'attacking intent' in the first half. 

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6 minutes ago, dreamcfc said:

Sorry but can't agree, you don't bring in a player who wasn't making your bench a few games prior to name him captain just to clog up the midfield.

I understand the wanting to go compact, but as I said, he has been doing this since last season and it didn't work, what's so different this year that these 3 can suddenly all play together?

I will agree that there was a period where he dropped Jorginho, seemingly forever

But he played majority of the first half of last season (during our best period last season in fact) and reclaimed his position after Gilmour got injured.

So, its not surprising he would use him again if needed. Like I said, I do not think he will be part of the starting 11 for too long, if players come back

I couldn't care less about the armband though. There is no John Terry in this squad. You could tie it to a tree at this point and it wouldn't make a difference.

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1 minute ago, Blue Armour said:

But from where were you expecting creativity to come from, if not Pulisic or Willian. Havertz?

Don't give me that BS about him not playing in his 'favored' position. The guy hasn't settled in yet and is not ready.

But is it really BS to suggest that maybe playing Havertz in his best position would have helped us and him? At least "make" him feel comfortable that he is able to contribute to our attacks - be it creating chances or scoring goals. Instead, we played him upfront and treated him almost like a target man. 

3 minutes ago, Blue Armour said:

He could have taken a risk with CHO or Barkley in the lineup instead and played more gung ho, but I can guarantee we would have been ripped to shreds on the counter.

Playing CHO or Barkley doesn't mean we would have to go gung-ho. It just means we would have more attacking threats that we had today because really, before we went down to 10 men, what were we really creating going forward? 

4 minutes ago, Blue Armour said:

Christensen's mistake came from us giving up possession high up the pitch., one of the few times we decided to play with 'attacking intent' in the first half. 

Can't remember the move but I remember Alisson had the ball, passed it to Henderson who had no one around to pressure him and was given the freedom of Stamford Bridge to pick out the pass.  

[Ryan Fong 2,776]

The point is the intent. Am fine with the counter attacking approach but what the hell were we trying to do going forward? It looked as though our plan was to just give Werner the ball and hoped he score from somewhere. Otherwise, the game plan looked like a containment job. We would be better off going down swinging and see what would have happened, because the general approach to sit back and counter didn't work, did it when there's people Christensen and Kepa at the back?

Sorry for misreading your post about the game you mentioned.

Just agree to disagree. I saw we have created few decent chances through ground work just didn’t execute them properly by Timo and Kante.

[dreamcfc 182]

2 minutes ago, Blue Armour said:

I will agree that there was a period where he dropped Jorginho, seemingly forever

But he played majority of the first half of last season (during our best period last season in fact) and reclaimed his position after Gilmour got injured.

So, its not surprising he would use him again if needed. Like I said, I do not think he will be part of the starting 11 for too long, if players come back

I couldn't care less about the armband though. There is no John Terry in this squad. You could tie it to a tree at this point and it wouldn't make a difference.

I don't remember Jorginho playing much at all since before lockdown, after lockdown he was not even in the squad and everyone said he was going to Juve. 
Now he is back as our Captain, to me this is poor management from Frank, just an opinion. You can't have a captain that some weeks won't even be in the squad, that's just shocking to me.

 

I feel frank needs to grow a pair and decide between Jorginho and Kante, this has been an obvious problem to us from when Sarri and Jorginho first came the 2 are not going to work in the same team very well.

Both of them need a different style of play to be effective, you can't have both of them at the top of their game, 1 of them needs to go but doesn't look like Frank has decided which direction he wants to go.

[killer1257 3,282]

I find this somewhat amusing. Yes, we were missing several players and it wasn't our ideal starting XI but barring Pulisic and Willian as well as the new additions of Werner and Havertz, this is pretty much the same team that played well - much better than today, even before going down to 10 men - against Liverpool (except the game at Anfield) and Man City last season. Are you seriously saying that Pulisic being out and Willian no longer here has changed our approach this much? 

Which Man City game are we talking about? The 2:1 win for us, in which Pulisic punished the Mendy mistake and Fernandinho getting a red card+penalty rewarded. Willian then scored the penalty.

I just remember we played very deep against City and Pulisic and the Fernandinho red combined with the rewarded penalty won us the game.

Willian btw is much better player as Mount and I am not even a Willian fan.

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[Blue Armour 4,439]

1 minute ago, Jason said:

But is it really BS to suggest that maybe playing Havertz in his best position would have helped us and him? At least "make" him feel comfortable that he is able to contribute to our attacks - be it creating chances or scoring goals. Instead, we played him upfront and treated him almost like a target man. 

 

Maybe not. If him playing in the middle is really much better, its not a bad shout. My point was that is unrealistic to expect too much from him so soon., at least after his Brighton showing.

Ironically though, I thought the few contributions he made in today's game were pretty decent. His square pass in the first half to set up Kante (of all people) was brilliant. Hope to see more of that.

5 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

Playing CHO or Barkley doesn't mean we would have to go gung-ho. It just means we would have more attacking threats that we had today because really, before we went down to 10 men, what were we really creating going forward? 

Yes, it might have meant more attacking threat. But that's a big MAYBE. What is more certain is that we would have been more open in midfield.

I will admit that you can question the manager and ask why he didn't ask the players today to get closer to Liverpool.

Anyway in hindsight, its possible to name a lot of options that may have worked better, given that we got the worst possible result from the one option he went with.

9 minutes ago, Jason said:

Can't remember the move but I remember Alisson had the ball, passed it to Henderson who had no one around to pressure him and was given the freedom of Stamford Bridge to pick out the pass.  

Hmm, looks like I didn't remember it the same way. I thought we gave up possession before that.

Its a shame that the players didn't get close enough. Inconsistent pressing from the players.

I will admit that that is on the manager to be more aggressive with his team to ensure everyone moves as a unit. Shame that Jorginho didn't do the one thing we usually helps out with (calling others to press)