Declan Rice

[King Kante 1,643]

On 18/07/2021 at 17:45, Styl1994 said:

My guess is Rice will move next summer 

I could actually seem him getting to 1 year or a free. Essentially, he only wants to come here. What is the point of us laying out a serious fee if we know we can tell him to just run things down? When is his contract to? 2024? He will still only be 24 at that point, no? 

[Jase 43,479]

9 minutes ago, King Kante said:

I could actually seem him getting to 1 year or a free. Essentially, he only wants to come here. What is the point of us laying out a serious fee if we know we can tell him to just run things down? When is his contract to? 2024? He will still only be 24 at that point, no? 

But will West Ham allow that? They aren't exactly a rich club.

[King Kante 1,643]

43 minutes ago, Jas said:

But will West Ham allow that? They aren't exactly a rich club.

What can they do if he doesn't sign? It is not as if they're loaded and can let him rot.

[Jase 43,479]

5 minutes ago, King Kante said:

What can they do if he doesn't sign? It is not as if they're loaded and can let him rot.

My point is if Rice won't sign a new contract, which doesn't seem like he will, then West Ham have to sell him at some point. They can't afford to let him run down his contract if they want money. 

[OhForAGreavsie 6,057]

On 19/07/2021 at 16:21, Azul said:

Camavinga in my opinion is extremely overhyped. Tchouameni is miles better. However we have to keep in mind that he's 18 years old and could change in the future. He's just not ready for a big step up.

I would say that you are a bit more generous towards Camavinga than I am. Others, yourself included, would probably say you are just more realistic to make allowance for his age. Either way I don't believe in Camavinga any more than you do.

Edited July 21, 2021 by OhForAGreavsie

[Jype 6,398]

On 18/07/2021 at 17:26, avrobsws said:

What was Rice performance during the Euros?? nothing special at all! I have never find him that much responsive, he is slow and cannot support the attack. He is another upgrade version of Mikel. Phillips was far far better and got pace too.

Rice playing alongside him was one of the reasons Phillips looked so good for England. Rice might not be as flashy but despite being 3-4 years younger he's definitely the better and more experienced player of the two.

And that's not me saying Phillips is a bad player, on the contrary I rate him highly as well but Rice is still a better player and I've got no doubt by the end he'll have had a better career than Phillips.

I'd love to have Rice at Chelsea but maybe not this year. He'll be too expensive and with Jorginho-Kante-Kovacic all performing well under Tuchel there's really no need to spend so much on him right now. Only way I could see a deal being struck is if Tammy goes to West Ham as part of the deal and the clubs can negotiate a deal that benefits both clubs equally, otherwise it's better to wait another year or two and see if he can then replace Jorginho as a starter when he'd also be cheaper to buy (assuming he doesn't extend his WHU contract in the meanwhile).

Edited July 21, 2021 by Jype

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4 hours ago, Jype said:

I'd love to have Rice at Chelsea but maybe not this year. He'll be too expensive and with Jorginho-Kante-Kovacic all performing well under Tuchel there's really no need to spend so much on him right now. Only way I could see a deal being struck is if Tammy goes to West Ham as part of the deal and the clubs can negotiate a deal that benefits both clubs equally, otherwise it's better to wait another year or two and see if he can then replace Jorginho as a starter when he'd also be cheaper to buy (assuming he doesn't extend his WHU contract in the meanwhile).

3 good options but would still like one more player who can bolt the midfield defensively.

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On 19/07/2021 at 16:21, Azul said:

Camavinga in my opinion is extremely overhyped. Tchouameni is miles better. However we have to keep in mind that he's 18 years old and could change in the future. He's just not ready for a big step up.

Not sure how you can say that.

I mean I doubt anyone watched Tchoumeni at Bordeaux here (unless we have some hidden Bordeaux supporting users) and really, he only played 3 games the season before last for Monaco. Lot of talk of him being a good player but Bakayoko was very much the same and flopped horrifically after one standout season.

Do agree Camavinga is a bit overhyped and he had a poor year last season but, at the same time, Tchoumeni is probably getting similar plaudits and links that Camavinga got the season before last where he was very impressive for Rennes. 

Would say its hard to say ones ‘miles better’ than the other all things considering they’ve both really only had one pretty good season by the sounds of it. 

12 hours ago, Jype said:

Rice playing alongside him was one of the reasons Phillips looked so good for England. Rice might not be as flashy but despite being 3-4 years younger he's definitely the better and more experienced player of the two.

And that's not me saying Phillips is a bad player, on the contrary I rate him highly as well but Rice is still a better player and I've got no doubt by the end he'll have had a better career than Phillips.

I'd love to have Rice at Chelsea but maybe not this year. He'll be too expensive and with Jorginho-Kante-Kovacic all performing well under Tuchel there's really no need to spend so much on him right now. Only way I could see a deal being struck is if Tammy goes to West Ham as part of the deal and the clubs can negotiate a deal that benefits both clubs equally, otherwise it's better to wait another year or two and see if he can then replace Jorginho as a starter when he'd also be cheaper to buy (assuming he doesn't extend his WHU contract in the meanwhile).

Have to disagree.

Phillips was definitely much better throughout the Euros I felt bar the first 50/55 minutes v Italy in the final where Rice was excellent to be honest. 

His use of the ball is also much better although still England were too safe in midfield in terms of trying to break the lines and play into the front players. Rice will never be a top club player unless he improves that. You cannot simply be a top midfielder these days if your technically not good enough to play forward and play whilst under pressure.

Its no surprise once the Italians pumped up the pressue second half v England that Rice (and Phillips also) struggled severely to get a grip on the game again. They kept losing the ball. 

Phillips would probably suit our team more than Rice bar the fact he isn’t exactly big physically. Better passer of the ball. Plays in a team who always/usually dominates the ball, playing through the lines although I think where he plays for Leeds, as a 6, its his best role.

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I'd love us to sign this guy. Looked absolute quality last season and for England. Bags of potential and seems to be a classy lad.

 

Sign him up!

[Azul 1,615]

14 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

Not sure how you can say that.

I mean I doubt anyone watched Tchoumeni at Bordeaux here (unless we have some hidden Bordeaux supporting users) and really, he only played 3 games the season before last for Monaco. Lot of talk of him being a good player but Bakayoko was very much the same and flopped horrifically after one standout season.

Do agree Camavinga is a bit overhyped and he had a poor year last season but, at the same time, Tchoumeni is probably getting similar plaudits and links that Camavinga got the season before last where he was very impressive for Rennes. 

Would say its hard to say ones ‘miles better’ than the other all things considering they’ve both really only had one pretty good season by the sounds of it. 

Have to disagree.

Phillips was definitely much better throughout the Euros I felt bar the first 50/55 minutes v Italy in the final where Rice was excellent to be honest. 

His use of the ball is also much better although still England were too safe in midfield in terms of trying to break the lines and play into the front players. Rice will never be a top club player unless he improves that. You cannot simply be a top midfielder these days if your technically not good enough to play forward and play whilst under pressure.

Its no surprise once the Italians pumped up the pressue second half v England that Rice (and Phillips also) struggled severely to get a grip on the game again. They kept losing the ball. 

Phillips would probably suit our team more than Rice bar the fact he isn’t exactly big physically. Better passer of the ball. Plays in a team who always/usually dominates the ball, playing through the lines although I think where he plays for Leeds, as a 6, its his best role.

I watched at least 5 Monaco games, because Ligue 1 is free on my TV. Saying that he's similar to Bakayoko is very predictable and lazy to be honest no offense. Before we continue to debate whether he's better or not, have you honestly watched him play?

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56 minutes ago, Azul said:

I watched at least 5 Monaco games, because Ligue 1 is free on my TV. Saying that he's similar to Bakayoko is very predictable and lazy to be honest no offense. Before we continue to debate whether he's better or not, have you honestly watched him play?

Seen a handful of games this season. As I have of Camavinga. Wouldnt say theres a great deal between them. Camavinga maybe struggled compared to last season but wouldn’t say that theres anyway one is much better than the other, even if they are slightly different players.

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On 22/07/2021 at 14:24, OneMoSalah said:

Seen a handful of games this season. As I have of Camavinga. Wouldnt say theres a great deal between them. Camavinga maybe struggled compared to last season but wouldn’t say that theres anyway one is much better than the other, even if they are slightly different players.

Bakayoko and Tchouameni are very different first of all. Tchouameni has better dribbling, passing and awareness overall. 

Tchouameni is better than Camavinga in every aspect of football currently except for dribbling, that's the only thing that Camavinga has over him. That's why I'm saying that he's much better than him. However Camavinga is younger and will improve 100%, but we do not need another kid to come to our club. 

 

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Rice getting schooled today.

 

[DH1988 1,346]

Rice was a machine today.

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3 hours ago, DH1988 said:

Rice was a machine today.

Was unbelievable. Amazing performance.