Pizy 18,918 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 We are in desperate need for aggressive, decisive attackers that can bully their way into goals and pull magic out when games become slogs. We have no one who can do that now. El P., DDA, Muzchap and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted January 1, 2020 Author Share Posted January 1, 2020 24 minutes ago, BlueLion. said: The substitutions were poor today. Pulisic was by far our most lively player, and we lost all drive in midfield after Mount went off. Kovacic, Kante and Jorgi clearly cannot operate in a three against a four-man midfield. Tammy had a shocker yet he played the full 90 minutes. We praise Lampard - and rightly so - when he makes ballsy decisions (i.e. Emerson vs Arsenal), so he equally deserves criticism for poor substitutions. Unless the Pulisic sub was pre-planned because of his hamstring problem, I failed to see the logic in taking him off when he was growing into the game in the second half. After CHO came on, we were left with a half LW and a dead RW side with Willian who has been flogged to death with his 3rd game in 7 days. Thought Mount was poor but the minute we took him off and went to a 4-3-3, we lost all attacking impetus. Really don't get why Pulisic wasn't played in the No.10 position and CHO just on the left. Muzchap and Thesara 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milka 3,393 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Same old story . So many lost points . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Lamps 11,692 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 It’s frustrating how we always feature at the wrong end of the rarest and most outrageous goals. Cisse, Adam, Agüero, Mahrez, Salah all these rare stunners always against us. other than that no complaints, even game could have lost. Selection was alright, ref was torrid, Non sharpness, bad pressing. typical post-conte Chelsea game. Muzchap 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thesara 143 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Spurs are losing 1:0, maybe we will gt really lucky and Spurs and United won`t win:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
communicate 2,703 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Just now, Superblue_1986 said: But that is the whole point. You've just said yourself that you didn't think we'd be good enough for top 4 this season. A lot of people didn't so overall our season hasn't been anywhere near as bad as most are making it out to be. We've been inconsistently in and out of top 4 in recent seasons and last year we sneaked 3rd but lost our one world class attacking player whilst the teams who finished mere points behind us in United, Arsenal and Spurs all strengthened in the summer and had the added advantage of not changing managers. We've been inconsistent in the last couple of months but no different to all the teams mentioned above which is why we're ahead of them all. We are exactly where we should be and deserve to be at present which is challenging for top 4. Until we can strengthen a couple of areas and the younger players develop a little more, we're not going to be any higher or better off in the table. But that is not the point. I have never watched any of youngster play before this. I almost never criticized our youngster because I know that they will be inconsistent but I have been critical with Lamp squad management. Tammy has started too many games. We have 3 strikers these season. Lamp has decided to freeze out Giroud, I may disagree but that is fine but he need to play michy. It is the similar with Pedro. Take today's game. I won't criticize Puli or CHO performance but we can certainly use Giroud today to give us more control in the 2nd half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,918 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 All but maybe a couple of players were just kind of casually jogging around looking annoyed and like they just wanted the game to end. Jorginho in particular. He was amazing just a few days ago and today he looked like he'd rather have been on the beach or something. This is what our whole second half of the season is going to be unless changes are made. Desperately clinging on to 4th spot and hoping results elsewhere go our way. And since we all know Arsenal can't be trusted whatsoever, United will be 2 points behind us later. 11Drogba and Atomiswave 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,185 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 45 minutes ago, communicate said: I am honestly quite confused with kante criticism. What the hell was he supposed to do? Our problem today was imo lack of ball retention on the final 3rd. We lose the ball way too much. A Giroud would have helped us. Whenever Jorginho is playing, he need to dominate games otherwise, he is a massive liability. Kante is playing poorly this year, regardless of where he has been played (which, by playing him out of positional role, is not helping matters) If one ONLY looks at this season, it is only the most sycophantic of fanboys and fangirls who would claim he is remotely near WC level. He is simply far too often a liability on the pitch at a multiplicity of levels. He was very poor today yet again. I have to laugh at the statmasters who trot out their precious metrics game and game to justify high praise in the multiple games where even a cursory watch of the actual action shows that to be utter bollocks. Square peg, round hole. Muzchap 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superblue 6,372 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, communicate said: But that is not the point. I have never watched any of youngster play before this. I almost never criticized our youngster because I know that they will be inconsistent but I have been critical with Lamp squad management. Tammy has started too many games. We have 3 strikers these season. Lamp has decided to freeze out Giroud, I may disagree but that is fine but he need to play michy. It is the similar with Pedro. Take today's game. I won't criticize Puli or CHO performance but we can certainly use Giroud today to give us more control in the 2nd half. So are you saying then that because the young players are better than you anticipated we should be doing better than fourth? I can understand Lampard not playing Bats much, he's not good enough. Tammy has been inconsistent recently but the drop off when Bats starts or comes on for him is clear. I'm all for getting a replacement for Bats and Giroud who is going to either challenge or be capable of playing alongside Tammy when the situation permits. I know that it's difficult to expect the likes of Giroud and Pedro to perform when they are given chances because they're not playing regularly but both have really looked their age this season and I think where Lampard wants the team to play and press with pace and energy the two simply don't fit into his plans. Maybe you're right with Giroud being an option to hold the ball up and take away the pressure when we're winning a tight game, but I guess then that comes down to Lampard deciding what is best to have on the bench - someone maybe better to defend a lead or someone maybe better to chase a goal. I don't think you can have both on the bench because they are both such one dimensional players, it takes away from the flexibility you can have with the other options on the bench. Muzchap and 1905didierblue 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
communicate 2,703 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 9 minutes ago, Vesper said: Kante is playing poorly this year, regardless of where he has been played (which, by playing him out of positional role, is not helping matters) If one ONLY looks at this season, it is only the most sycophantic of fanboys and fangirls who would claim he is remotely near WC level. He is simply far too often a liability on the pitch at a multiplicity of levels. He was very poor today yet again. I have to laugh at the statmasters who trot out their precious metrics game and game to justify high praise in the multiple games where even a cursory watch of the actual action shows that to be utter bollocks. Square peg, round hole. Has Kante been his brilliant self consistently this season? Nope that is obvious. Is he still a fine player? Absolutely. What do people mean by wrong position? My brain hurt every time people say that. We have Jorginho, Kante and Kovacic in midfield. When jorgi is on the floor, he cannot play double pivot. This is obvious. So kante will play more advanced role. When kante play with kova, he play as double pivot. If you want kante to sit deep, you better have Fabregas in your team. El P. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superblue 6,372 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, Vesper said: Kante is playing poorly this year, regardless of where he has been played (which, by playing him out of positional role, is not helping matters) If one ONLY looks at this season, it is only the most sycophantic of fanboys and fangirls who would claim he is remotely near WC level. He is simply far too often a liability on the pitch at a multiplicity of levels. He was very poor today yet again. I have to laugh at the statmasters who trot out their precious metrics game and game to justify high praise in the multiple games where even a cursory watch of the actual action shows that to be utter bollocks. Square peg, round hole. His best position has always been in a midfield two in my opinion. It's where he excelled at Leicester, and with us alongside Matic. I just think the style of play we're trying to implement doesn't suit his game. Those two teams were built to counter attack. It suited his attributes to win the ball back and help the team get up the pitch quickly. The last two seasons he's being expected to help build attacks, etc and it's not a strength of his. It is ironic that we were much better earlier in the season when we had even less options than we do now and key players such as Kante and Rudiger out. It was almost that the players then knew it was just up to them to win games. Now it seems like too many (and it seems to be different players each time, not just the same culprits) are almost waiting and expecting another player to pull something out of the bag and it's not happening enough, with the exception of perhaps Willian against Spurs and Jorginho against Arsenal. That is a mentality issue that needs correcting but it's nothing new. This has been our biggest issue for years with Hazard in the squad, others not prepared to take some responsibility themselves and just too easy to give the ball to the best player and hope he makes something happen. Vesper and Thesara 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryebread 22 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 At least Emerson wasn’t on the pitch today to pass backward and not do anything. Franks got that right at least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 More dropped points. 1 win in 8 now is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted January 1, 2020 Author Share Posted January 1, 2020 Just now, OneMoSalah said: More dropped points. 1 win in 8 now is it? 3 wins, 1 draw and 4 losses in last 8 league games. Muzchap 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laylabelle 9,535 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said: More dropped points. 1 win in 8 now is it? League game wise.. 3 wins in 8...4 losses..1 draw... Wooope. Vesper and Atomiswave 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,185 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, Ryebread said: At least Emerson wasn’t on the pitch today to pass backward and not do anything. Franks got that right at least Lol, as if Azpi at LB did anything of note other than his corner goal. Hopefully you do not think playing Azpi at LB is in any way, shape, or form acceptable. He is horrific there on balance. killer1257 and Muzchap 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jason said: 3 wins, 1 draw and 4 losses in last 8 league games. Not as bad as I thought. Still not good enough for a club of this stature. bigbluewillie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryebread 22 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, Vesper said: Lol, as if Azpi at LB did anything of note other than his corner goal. Hopefully you do not think playing Azpi at LB is in any way, shape, or form acceptable. He is horrific there on balance. Just happy to not see Emerson not do anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superblue 6,372 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, Vesper said: Lol, as if Azpi at LB did anything of note other than his corner goal. Hopefully you do not think playing Azpi at LB is in any way, shape, or form acceptable. He is horrific there on balance. I think it's pretty safe to say we're fucked at left back whoever Lampard plays at the moment. Vesper, bigbluewillie, 11Drogba and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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