closed Chelsea 1-2 Liverpool

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18 minutes ago, Strike said:

Is there a way to incorporate margin for error in VAR?

Sure they can.....especially if it gives the team a goal. They are picking and choosing what and when. And so far pool have benefited big time.  

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7 hours ago, Jason said:

He's delusional if he thought we would hire him for the third time after what happened previously. 

But on the other hand, how many believed he would have returned anyway with the transfer ban and having to rely on young players? He was making excuses when talking about the academy during his second time here on Sky yesterday. 

It honestly wouldn't surprise me if he still genuinely believes 15/16 had nothing to do with him which would have in turn meant he naturally felt he had a chance of coming back. He made it clear while doing punditry for the CL final he was up for a 3rd coming if offered.

Furthermore even if he wouldn't have took it the fact alone that he wasn't offered a job Lampard with one year of championship experience got serves to further demonstrate how far he's fallen which is what he can't stand above anything. When he signalled his intentions to return last time we changed the direction we were heading in to accommodate him whereas now we're choosing his former player with one year of managerial experience over him, he must be absolutely seething.

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3 hours ago, Strike said:

The injuries to Christensen and Emerson left Lampard without an alternative

I meant starting, not sub.

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4 hours ago, petre.ispirescu said:

It might be repetitive and boring at this point what I am saying and I don't want to sound like I am kissing Klopp's ass and as much as I hate Liverpool and I am frightened of the thought of seeing them winning the league for the first time in my life, but they have now come to the point of which you can look up to them and it just shows what a quality, charismatic and passionate manager could do given time and having the backing of the board and the entire fan base. 

This is 100% Klopp's creation and if you go a few years back you would see the difference between Klopp's 1st and 2nd season there and this Chelsea right now is minimal. They would, like Lampard's Chelsea, be good going forward and their players would find themselves in good finishing positions, they were just too soft at the back and in midfield. 

Really looking foward to the moment when Loftus-Cheek comes back, too, by that moment Hudson-Odoi would probably have been back in the first team and Mount... I don't know, he does not look like being dropped anytime soon. To be fair, if we are transitionin, why not have a midfield three of Kante, Mount and Loftus-Cheek? Don't think it looks bad and frankly does not look soft either. 

I don't know whether Klopp has changed or this is his plan all along. But his team is now more controlled, it used to be just high press after high press. 

Btw if you play Mount as midfield three, may as well drop him. He is much better playing high close to striker. 

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After watching the game on my recording , I thought we played quite well. In the 1st half Willian need to drop more, one time he drop he beat his marker and off we go. Mount looked ok but maybe not 100%, should have played Puli and ask him to run behind Alexander Arnold who is not a good defender. 

Jorginho is not suited for this team. We need better holder.  But he is the only one in our team who is savy with referee. This is one of our problem, sometimes I feel like our team is too honest. 

Tomori looked very2 good. Zouma also looked good defensively but on the ball he is just so bad. 

Tammy need to improve his stamina. You can't get tired that easy if you want to be no 1 striker for title contending team. 

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I think most of us can honestly say we are better atm than we were hoping for. We have gone back to the Chels we know and love, fast direct play. Sure we lack in set pieces etc but this is not our best team, have many crucial players out, they need to gel and know the system better but I like what I see. Sort the issues out, keep believing and run for the team and we are there, add quality come summer and we will be alright. I much prefer this than last season, we give a fuck now, we run and run, they are hungry and clearly they like Lamps. Its a process and we will hopefuly iron some of the issues out, as long as we see progress we are on the right path.

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It's horrific and damn near ruins the entire game the way var used right now.

Does it's utmost best to ruin any excitement of a goal because everyone have to second guess if there may possibly have been the slightest of offsides at any point in the entire attack.

It was just pathetic yesterday how we celebrated the goal only to be left completely deflated while the away supporters were celebrating like they had just scored after the check which gave them a massive lift to go and extend the lead.

The way var is being used is only gonna benefit their darlings. What if Azpi hadnt scored and we get a corner instead? You think that corner wouldnt had been given.....I bet it would. Its setup is all wrong and thats on purpose imo.

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4 hours ago, Strike said:

Is there a way to incorporate margin for error in VAR?

If VAR does not see an excellent reason to change the rule on the field, it shouldn’t even bring anything up with the ref.

feel that VAR is especially and issue with the offset rule. Frank said that well after the game: the intention of the offside rule isn’t to detect an arm that is offside.

defenders got a lot of help from bar I think, esp regarding the offset rule. Don’t think that was the intention either.

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VAR should only be used to get the big mistakes out – those you can see with human eye from 20 metres away. If you can't tell after 2 seconds of watching a STILL image whether there's an offside or not, then it's not offside. The way it's used right now to measure millimetres is worrying and is threatening to kill this sport.

It needs to become a lot faster. The way teams are celebrating goals for half a minute before being told that goal has been ruled out or is under investigation is unacceptable.

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57 minutes ago, !Hazard! said:

VAR should only be used to get the big mistakes out – those you can see with human eye from 20 metres away. If you can't tell after 2 seconds of watching a STILL image whether there's an offside or not, then it's not offside. The way it's used right now to measure millimetres is worrying and is threatening to kill this sport.

It needs to become a lot faster. The way teams are celebrating goals for half a minute before being told that goal has been ruled out or is under investigation is unacceptable.

As I said yesterday, today a player is level with the opposition player but if the attacking player has a boner, VAR will look at it for a minute, zoom it in and say the player is offside. There is no benefit of a doubt anymore. Heck, last year the refs were still told to use the benefit of a doubt. If it's close, the attacking player should get an advantage. Now 1 milimeter is checked and detected.

Another thing that I am absolutely dreading. A couple of weeks back in the Czech football League there was this incident. Team A is attacking in the box, there is a chaos but suddenly Team B has the ball and goes counter attacking, and scores. But hey hey VAR is looking into the chaos and finds a foul, disallows the goal and gives a penalty to Team A. Like seriously?! This situation is perfectly possible in the PL too, with the current set up.

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By the way this was awkward to the least

 

 

 

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18 hours ago, Robchels said:

Fair enough. Disagree on tammy though... not even about the miss, but his overall play was really nonexistent.

id say his first 30min were a liability as he missed every pass and touch he attempted. I’d still not have subbed him and certainly not for bats as he improved a bit from those initial 30mins.

but no he wasn’t good enough.

We will just agree to disagree then 

To me he was our most dangerous player. He doesnt have great ball control, but he moves well and he is real pain in the ass with his size and speed.

At first I thought he was realy realy lucky with the goals (before wolves game), but Im actualy convinced his movement and phyisical qualities will make him a formidable forward as long he gets good balls. He will end up with 20 goals+. 

That 1v1 was realy shitty decision from him, but Im sure he will improve those. Even Aguero or Firmino missed those in younger years. Mbappe missed that sort of chance last year in CL.

Against Pool, he had that 1v1, a dangerous header and that fancy back heel. If he gets these kind of chances vs a team like Pool, he will rip many teams. 

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45 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

We will just agree to disagree then 

To me he was our most dangerous player. He doesnt have great ball control, but he moves well and he is real pain in the ass with his size and speed.

At first I thought he was realy realy lucky with the goals (before wolves game), but Im actualy convinced his movement and phyisical qualities will make him a formidable forward as long he gets good balls. He will end up with 20 goals+. 

That 1v1 was realy shitty decision from him, but Im sure he will improve those. Even Aguero or Firmino missed those in younger years. Mbappe missed that sort of chance last year in CL.

Against Pool, he had that 1v1, a dangerous header and that fancy back heel. If he gets these kind of chances vs a team like Pool, he will rip many teams. 

I hope you are right, regarding the number of goals, because his overall play is nowhere good enough at this level. Yeah probably a discussion about style and characteristics, but while physicality helps, skill is mandatory at this level, or at least the level we once competed at (cL). Tammy looks like an old school striker to me.

What I’m trying to say is that he will have to score very consistently if he has any hopes in retaining his starting spot once the window reopens for us. There are better, more skillful strikers out there who are attainable.

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On 22/09/2019 at 7:42 PM, milan.cech said:

Now we need to go on a winning run, we need some momentum and start picking points on regular basis. This has been a really tough start but now we need victories and victories so everyone can breathe a little safer.

Looking at our fixtures, if we don't pick up 3/4/5 wins on the bounce over the next month or so, we will actually have to accept that we are, indeed, shit. 

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25 minutes ago, BlueLion. said:

Looking at our fixtures, if we don't pick up 3/4/5 wins on the bounce over the next month or so, we will actually have to accept that we are, indeed, shit. 

This is whats worrying. No game is a given. We can drop points in any. Expected to beat Sheffield and didn't so who knows. Depends if we can defend! 

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19 hours ago, !Hazard! said:

VAR should only be used to get the big mistakes out – those you can see with human eye from 20 metres away. If you can't tell after 2 seconds of watching a STILL image whether there's an offside or not, then it's not offside. The way it's used right now to measure millimetres is worrying and is threatening to kill this sport.

It needs to become a lot faster. The way teams are celebrating goals for half a minute before being told that goal has been ruled out or is under investigation is unacceptable.

I don't think so, but this millimeter thing is silly.
Some time ago they were saying that same line is no longer to the advantage of the defense..