closed Man Utd 4-0 Chelsea

[Superblue 6,331]

3 minutes ago, Jason said:

Players come and go, squad changes but not gonna lie, it's so infuriating to see that we have gone from a team who defend properly, don't give goals away to one who can't defend at all and commit stupid mistakes all over the pitch. Being defensive solid is the one big aspect that we were great for so long and now, we are defending like clowns and suffering stupid bad/heavy defeats. Since 2017, we have been thrashed 4-1 by Watford, 3-0 & 4-0 by Bournemouth, 6-0 by Man City and 4-0 by Man United. That's just way too many to take in like 2 years and it's not as if we've been playing a squad of U20 players either. It's mostly filled experienced players!

Agree, there are always going to be issues with completely changing our playing style but the mentality has to improve with regards to being able to adapt in-game. After losing to City 6-0 we went and held them through 120 minutes in the cup final a week later which is an example that these players are capable of defending properly. However we set up from the start to play in that way, as opposed to changing in-game which does seem to be a problem for us. 

United at home and Spurs away last season were other clear examples, we just didn't get thrashed on the result. We kept playing one way and it was simply playing to the strengths of the opposition leaving us open to get ripped apart.

Liverpool and City don't have all game, every game in complete control. Opposition will get periods of the game where they create chances and gain momentum. In that moment, Liverpool and City are both organised enough to soak up that pressure. It is what we need to learn and quickly and yesterday was a perfect example of this. In the past this would have been where someone like Terry or Lampard would have come into play because they would have made it clear to the team to dig in for 5-10 minutes in order to regain the momentum and composure to our play. If nobody on the pitch is capable of stepping up and doing that, Lampard must make sure from the touchline that message is put across to the team in moments when needed.

[OhForAGreavsie 5,776]

3 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Agree, there are always going to be issues with completely changing our playing style but the mentality has to improve with regards to being able to adapt in-game. After losing to City 6-0 we went and held them through 120 minutes in the cup final a week later which is an example that these players are capable of defending properly. However we set up from the start to play in that way, as opposed to changing in-game which does seem to be a problem for us. 

United at home and Spurs away last season were other clear examples, we just didn't get thrashed on the result. We kept playing one way and it was simply playing to the strengths of the opposition leaving us open to get ripped apart.

Liverpool and City don't have all game, every game in complete control. Opposition will get periods of the game where they create chances and gain momentum. In that moment, Liverpool and City are both organised enough to soak up that pressure. It is what we need to learn and quickly and yesterday was a perfect example of this. In the past this would have been where someone like Terry or Lampard would have come into play because they would have made it clear to the team to dig in for 5-10 minutes in order to regain the momentum and composure to our play. If nobody on the pitch is capable of stepping up and doing that, Lampard must make sure from the touchline that message is put across to the team in moments when needed.

Agreed. You can obviously control the game when you have the ball but, as Jose often said, you can also control it when you don't. Something we once excelled at.

I think my all time favourite football statistic was the season where JT and Billy Gallas started 22 matches as our centre-back pairing. In those 22 games we conceded 1 goal. (one!) Chelsea Women's fans celebrate one of our players with the simple chant, Ji So-Yun is unbelievable, but that stat is something truly unbelievable. Opposing managers must have spent the whole week ahead of Chelsea games wondering how on Earth they were going to break us down.

[NikkiCFC 7,582]

Come on guys Jose is most interesting pundit to listen ever. And his knowledge Is phenomenal. And I agree Kante should have started. 

[Tomo 21,681]

18 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

Come on guys Jose is most interesting pundit to listen ever. And his knowledge Is phenomenal. And I agree Kante should have started. 

He knows his stuff in general (obviously) but his comments on Mount proves he's learned absolutely nothing from the biggest blunder of his career.

With Lampard's appointment we aren't here for a quick fix, we are trying to build the next generation while playing a fluent expressive style of play, we will have to take the punches and ride it out.

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1 hour ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Agree, there are always going to be issues with completely changing our playing style but the mentality has to improve with regards to being able to adapt in-game. After losing to City 6-0 we went and held them through 120 minutes in the cup final a week later which is an example that these players are capable of defending properly. However we set up from the start to play in that way, as opposed to changing in-game which does seem to be a problem for us. 

United at home and Spurs away last season were other clear examples, we just didn't get thrashed on the result. We kept playing one way and it was simply playing to the strengths of the opposition leaving us open to get ripped apart.

Liverpool and City don't have all game, every game in complete control. Opposition will get periods of the game where they create chances and gain momentum. In that moment, Liverpool and City are both organised enough to soak up that pressure. It is what we need to learn and quickly and yesterday was a perfect example of this. In the past this would have been where someone like Terry or Lampard would have come into play because they would have made it clear to the team to dig in for 5-10 minutes in order to regain the momentum and composure to our play. If nobody on the pitch is capable of stepping up and doing that, Lampard must make sure from the touchline that message is put across to the team in moments when needed.

I don't understand what do you mean by mentality. Lampard instructions were high pressing. If you want to drop deep, you need your manager to scream at everyone or have a gameplan beforehand otherwise all hell will break loose. 

Btw there is a difference between playing in lower line to being forced to defend. 

 

 

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It is funny that people now think United defense is really good. We created 4 good chances against them. I mean Abraham, mount, Barkley and Pedro are not exactly wc. I am not even sure it is better than Everton front line. 

[Romans disciples 26]

Some positive feelings that we controlled the game for periods . Created chances but not desructive in attack.

We will learn and improve. 

 

[petre.ispirescu 4,928]

2 hours ago, Tomo said:

With Lampard's appointment we aren't here for a quick fix, we are trying to build the next generation while playing a fluent expressive style of play, we will have to take the punches and ride it out.

Exactly, I don't understand why some act like it's doom and gloom already when we all knew it was going to be an experimental season. No better season to introduce talent than this one, PL + CL football with nothing at stake, all about gaining experience and getting a sniff to what real football looks like. 

I see people asking "Why can't Chelsea nurture talent like Spurs did with Kane, Benfica with Joao Felix? (and there are tons of other examples)" Well I could understand if this was the Chelsea powerhouse of a few years back going for the PL and CL latter stages every season. But now??? This Chelsea is not good enough to win the PL, nevermind the CL. Not because it's filled with dross, but it's going through a transitional period full of inexperienced (but quality) guys that are in the process of learning. 

If this is not the best season to introduce talent, well I guess there never will be one again. Should be a fun ride where Chelsea is going to end up 6th maybe, but who cares really? Who is going to remember this United loss should in 4 years the likes of Pulisic, Mount, Reece James, Hudson-Odoi, Loftus-Cheek (and God help others, too) turn into world class players??? But we'll never know if they are not given chances and I'm sure fans will turn back to this season saying "You remember that season when there was nothing at stake? Why did not they play back then" What will people reply? Because of some losses at the start of the season? 

 

[Laylabelle 9,296]

3 hours ago, Tomo said:

He knows his stuff in general (obviously) but his comments on Mount prove he's learned absolutely nothing from the biggest blunder of his career.

With Lampard's appointment we aren't here for a quick fix, we are trying to build the next generation while playing a fluent expressive style of play, we will have to take the punches and ride it out.

That's it. Mistakes are there to be learnt from and hopefully we will. This is why I hope the board for once will show patience with Lampard. They know the situation he's in so can't be trigger happy. Take time to gel. 

Just shame kept hitting the post! 

[steve.crowford 5]

It was awfully! What bets, how long will Lampard as coach?

Bissaka and Maguire as if always playing for MU

 

[Vesper 27,318]

27 minutes ago, steve.crowford said:

It was awfully! What bets, how long will Lampard as coach?

Bissaka and Maguire as if always playing for MU

 

Fuck Manure

I will laugh when Barca pips Real to Neymar and then Florentino The Flaccid, in true Real plastic desperation, pulls both Pogba from the Manc rotters and Eriksen from Spuds

you take Pogba off that team with no replacement and they are arsed

I shit you not

if Pogba goes

this is their ENTIRE MF on the roster

Nemanja Matic   <<<<<<<<<<<not on the verge,he IS washed up
Fred    <<<< has been a massive flop
Scott McTominay    <<<<< complete meh, and TBH he,is the best of this lot and it isnt even close

Juan Mata    <<< on verge of being washed up,complete shit as a CMF now, is only good for 30, or 40 minute AMF spells
Andreas Pereira    <<< shit,and is more a winger than a AMF

 

worst MF of any top 20 team in Europe

combine that with Shaw at LB

that is 4 gaping holes and horrid depth too

[Jase 43,479]