🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 Billy Gilmour

[NikkiCFC 8,324]

I can not see us buying new midfielder in January so he should stay for squad depth but for the next season I do not see place for him and he should go on loan. For young player most important thing is to play regularly and this will not happen for Billy in Chelsea anytime soon.

Assuming we buy Rice he will play as number 6 and we have Kante who is amazing now!

For number 8 Kai, Mount and Kova are all ahead of him. That 6th midfielder spot should be given to Gallagher next season. Mount, Abraham, James, Tomori all got their chance in Chelsea after good Championship season and Conor also had amazing season there but he is also having great season in the PL season so it would be double standard if he is not here next season. And he is so ready! Also do we see Billy playing as number 8? I can see him only deeper.

Like I said, most important thing for young player is to play regularly and Billy needs this somewhere else probably for 2 season like other boys had. Imo game time they had in careers is the only thing that puts Mount, Tammy, James in better position now and ahead of CHO.

Every young player found their spot in Chelsea through loans and CHO is unique and this is why it is more difficult for him but I think he is gonna make it. Billy should not take that road.

 

[ZAPHOD2319 4,818]

When Rice comes up, I always wonder...do we really need him when we have Gilmour and Connor developing?

[King Kante 1,643]

The problem we have with Billy at the moment is the sheer number of players we have, the fact he got a bad injury and the Euros. For that reason, I slightly lean to the loan for six months camp. I say this as Billy needs quite a lot of minutes and I am not sure where he is going to get them as Kante is ahead of him and Jorgi is likely to be picked ahead of him when we start getting into the tail end of the season for his experience. 

For those reasons, I would be tempted to loam him, allow him to get some real decent minutes in, then try to sell Jorgi and integrate him next season. Just for clarification, I say this as a big Billy fan it is just that I do not want him to stagnate here by only getting ten minutes here and there. 

[Tomo 21,751]

11 hours ago, killer1257 said:

So, just waste Billy's potential so he might play 5 more games? He will not start in the next round of CL because the next stage will be against the big boys. We are out of the Caraboa Cup, so only FA cup left and he will play the next few rounds of FA cup. Mount, Kovacic and Havertz are rarely injured, so not much PL game action for him

You make it seem like Billy is that experienced. He played 5 matches or something like that and he is as experienced as the other youth players.

Furthermore, Lewis Bate is as good as Billy at youth level and I would even say that he is more versatile than Billy. He wins much more tackles than Billy, but still has the vision of Billy. Highly underrated

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I don't really get this waste of potential narrative, many player's who turned out to be great were playing sparsely as a teenager, some cases not atall.

Main case in point would be Pep's Barca, praised to high heaven for creating such a great team largely from academy players, but what isn't often mentioned is only Messi out of all of them was a regular as a teenager and only a further two (Iniesta and Xavi) even made their Barca debut before 20.

[Vesper 30,185]

14 hours ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

When Rice comes up, I always wonder...do we really need him when we have Gilmour and Connor developing?

neither are true cruncher DMF's like Rice so it is completely chalk and cheese (plus Rice can play CB as well)

[Vesper 30,185]

IF we are going to loan him for 6 months, QPR (obviously zero disruption city-wise) would be a place where he would get loads of minutes, they are fucked at DMF and CMF

Amos and Owens (Owens might be back in March or April, Amos is done until summer) are out with injuries, and they have only one CMF on the roster, Tom Carroll, perpetual bust, an ex Spuds youth whom Swansea terminated a contract with in January

QPR are a hot mess atm, so I have no idea if we want to toss him into that dumpster fire

 

EPL team-wise, Burnley really needs MFers, they have a shedload of dregs

Not sure if Dyche will want to play a teen though, he is a real cunt about going mostly with ageing, gooned up veterans, but damn, do they need help in MF, their 3 best, Cork, Westwood, and Dale Stephens, are all over 30, and trash thugs IMHO (I am biased, I have detested Burnley for years, so hope they go down finally) Not sure if Billy would be a good fit there though, they are hit n' hope cavemen, so little skilled build-up play.

[King Kante 1,643]

4 hours ago, Vesper said:

neither are true cruncher DMF's like Rice so it is completely chalk and cheese (plus Rice can play CB as well)

Yeah, I suspect Rice, if brought, would primarily be used as a CB. If however, he does see himself as a full time DMF then it may be we won't need him as we do have Billy, Gallagher and Amapdu all in that position who are showing potential (whether they will be good enough is still up for debate.) 

[King Kante 1,643]

3 hours ago, Vesper said:

IF we are going to loan him for 6 months, QPR (obviously zero disruption city-wise) would be a place where he would get loads of minutes, they are fucked at DMF and CMF

Amos and Owens (Owens might be back in March or April, Amos is done until summer) are out with injuries, and they have only one CMF on the roster, Tom Carroll, perpetual bust, an ex Spuds youth whom Swansea terminated a contract with in January

QPR are a hot mess atm, so I have no idea if we want to toss him into that dumpster fire

 

EPL team-wise, Burnley really needs MFers, they have a shedload of dregs

Not sure if Dyche will want to play a teen though, he is a real cunt about going mostly with ageing, gooned up veterans, but damn, do they need help in MF, their 3 best, Cork, Westwood, and Dale Stephens, are all over 30, and trash thugs IMHO (I am biased, I have detested Burnley for years, so hope they go down finally) Not sure if Billy would be a good fit there though, they are hit n' hope cavemen, so little skilled build-up play.

No way would I send him to Burnley, they do not play in the right style. PL wise Brighton would be best for him and I also think Leeds would be a good shout, although I am not sure what their squad depths are like. If he cannot get a PL loan then send him to Spain as his technical qualities should fit in over there. At a push I would consider Ajax or something as they have Ropey League games but I am not really a fan of sending a boy of his ability to the Dutch League and I suspect Ajax have a number of their own youngsters that need minutes. 

[communicate 2,703]

On 12/9/2020 at 8:59 PM, Superblue_1986 said:

I was actually going to ask this question. If Kante were to get injured (heaven forbid), who would be people's preference to fill in for him?

Jorginho obviously has the experience, but I think Gilmour's mobility and tenacity would give him the edge for me.

Azpilicueta 

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

needs to perform better under pressure.He came into the team in those legendary 2 games last season and blown away everybody but tbh whenever there were expectations on him or we needed something specific from him in the game he has disappointed.

[killer1257 3,282]

Hope he gets a loan move. He is wasting his time. We have zero creativity and he still does not start a PL match.

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[kellzfresh 7,229]

Look at the quality and calmness Gilmour brings into the team when he came on. How people like Mount have been starting over him is a mystery to me.

We only create chances from the wingers/fullbacks because our midfield looks devoid of creativity and we have someone like Gilmour who is fantastic at passing between the lines not playing  

[killer1257 3,282]

I think he played decent apart from his first three touches.

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[Beigl 1,387]

In an ideal world he should start the next few games. Currently he is much better than Mount, who needs a break. 

[NikkiCFC 8,324]

He is not the answer either. No matter who you put in our MF out there we cannot challenge top teams. There is no balance and we are week physically.

Every manager is going to have this problem. Assuming we buy Rice I think Rice-Kante in double pivot and Kai as AM is going to be our lineup but not sure even that would work.

We would use Gallagher and Barkley right now.

[DDA 9,941]

Billy should be starting over Mason. He has more talent and will become an absolute beast given the games to grow in. 

Some players you just have to throw into the fire and watch them rise above the flames. 

Billy is one of those players.

He has it all 

[MoroccanBlue 5,382]

Question for those stating Gilmour is better than Mount, what exactly is this based on?

Gilmour's sample size is miniscule, and his best performances came as a Regista. Why are we comparing him to Mount, when the only time Gilmour has played in Mount's position, he looked utterly lost? 

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

6 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

He is not the answer either. No matter who you put in our MF out there we cannot challenge top teams. There is no balance and we are week physically.

Every manager is going to have this problem. Assuming we buy Rice I think Rice-Kante in double pivot and Kai as AM is going to be our lineup but not sure even that would work.

We would use Gallagher and Barkley right now.

Rice-Kante double pivot please god no. Be back to the Mikel-David Luiz days. 

Also your talking about balance but yet mention Barkley and Gallagher who are more offensively minded players? Ok Gallagher maybe bit more rounded actually but still.. balance... Barkley? 

He looked good when he came on did Billy but the game was gone, City didnt have any real interest in getting out of third gear. Id like to see him play a bit more frequently though. Not instead of Mount but instead of Kovacic who still lets games pass him by far too easily. Hes really undoing the good work and performances he put in last season. 

[James 5,331]

 

[MoroccanBlue 5,382]

Not a matter of if, just a matter of when Jorginho will cost us results because of his immobility and poor defensive errors.