Super Frank Thread

[ZaynChelsea 423]

What is this Agenda BS? I got no agenda.

I would still rather have Lamps than Sarri or Conte. I just want him to sort out the defence.

[Jase 43,479]

Just putting this out here...

Derby County
57 games
14 clean sheets
70 goals conceded

Chelsea
36 games
7 clean sheets
49 goals conceded

Total
93 games
21 clean sheets
119 goals conceded

[Vesper 30,083]

A few points based off some replies.

If Willian is our best winger and stays as our best winger, we deserve bottom half of the table. He is rapidly ageing and to sign him to a fucking £20m over 2 years contract (and the git wants £30m over 3!) is utter madness!!

Also, it is delusional to say that there is absolutely nothing wrong with Kante's overall role and play and that Azpi is good offensively as a LB.

[bigbluewillie 1,930]

35 minutes ago, Vesper said:

He is rapidly ageing

Aint we all Vesp he does it no quicker than anybody else

In spite of your dislike for him Barca must see something about him, 'cos allegedly they're still interested in him.

[killer1257 3,282]

Something IS wrong with Kante. He has been poor to average more constantly now. There hasn't been a WC performance from Kante for a very long while.

He was injured a lot because Sarri overplayed him. Even Kante is human

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[Superblue 6,372]

1 hour ago, Jason said:

Just putting this out here...

Derby County
57 games
14 clean sheets
70 goals conceded

Chelsea
36 games
7 clean sheets
49 goals conceded

Total
93 games
21 clean sheets
119 goals conceded

It's a clear area needed for improvement no doubt about it.

I wouldn't read too much into the Derby stats. There are only two teams this season in the Championship who have conceded less than the games they've played and it is such a ridiculously close and competitive league more often than not.

I also wouldn't compare him to Sarri last season. This idea that Sarri got us playing attacking football is a bit of a myth. After Spurs ripped us apart we played football looking to control and dominate possession rather than an attack minded approach which allowed us to keep things relatively tight most of the time, and more often than not relying on Hazard to open up a team or create a chance.

Without Hazard this season Lampard has opened us up far more. Probably a little too much at the start of the season as his lack of experience showed quite a naive approach but I think the all round defensive side of our game has improved compared to the first couple of months of the season. Still very much a work in progress but how open we were in some games early on was alarming and caused some massive problems. We do seem to be much more compact now between the lines but there is still a lot of improvement to be done. Silly mistakes and errors are still prevalent too, and need to be eradicated. Especially when a number of times the mistakes are being made by more experienced players in the squad so the excuse of younger players cannot really be used. 

With us, the clean sheets is definitely something that needs to be improved. In games this season where we are struggling to break teams down, we have to be making sure that we stay tight at the back. Obviously the lack of killer instinct in attack doesn't help with this as just encourages teams to go after us as a game wears on, but some games we've literally conceded just a couple of chances and conceded from it. They might still be on the face of things poor results, but losing to Newcastle, Bournemouth and West Ham all fairly late on by 1 goal - that's an extra 3 points which could be big come the end of the season in deciding our top 4 aspirations.

He needs the opportunity also to bring in players though if he sees fit to improve the situation. Liverpool's first full season under Klopp he conceded 50 goals in the league and was averaging I think around 1.2 goals conceded in his first 2 and half seasons at the club. The additions of Alisson and Van Dijk to their defence cannot be understated in helping to change their fortunes around. 

[Vesper 30,083]

Just now, bigbluewillie said:

Aint we all Vesp he does it no quicker than anybody else

In spite of your dislike for him Barca must see something about him, 'cos allegedly they're still interested in him.

Wilian is simply not good enough at this point, and he is not going to get better as a 32, 33, and 34yo.

Even Messi, at 32yo, is having a poor season (for him)

As for Barca

they didn't want him enough this January to pay jack shite for him

Barcelona laugh off Willian, Richarlison rumors

Laughing at, not laughing with

https://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/chelsea-fc-transfer-rumours-news/2020/1/30/21114537/barcelona-laugh-off-willian-richarlison-rumors-report

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

On 3.2.2020 at 5:43 PM, Superblue_1986 said:

It's a clear area needed for improvement no doubt about it.

I wouldn't read too much into the Derby stats. There are only two teams this season in the Championship who have conceded less than the games they've played and it is such a ridiculously close and competitive league more often than not.

I also wouldn't compare him to Sarri last season. This idea that Sarri got us playing attacking football is a bit of a myth. After Spurs ripped us apart we played football looking to control and dominate possession rather than an attack minded approach which allowed us to keep things relatively tight most of the time, and more often than not relying on Hazard to open up a team or create a chance.

Without Hazard this season Lampard has opened us up far more. Probably a little too much at the start of the season as his lack of experience showed quite a naive approach but I think the all round defensive side of our game has improved compared to the first couple of months of the season. Still very much a work in progress but how open we were in some games early on was alarming and caused some massive problems. We do seem to be much more compact now between the lines but there is still a lot of improvement to be done. Silly mistakes and errors are still prevalent too, and need to be eradicated. Especially when a number of times the mistakes are being made by more experienced players in the squad so the excuse of younger players cannot really be used. 

With us, the clean sheets is definitely something that needs to be improved. In games this season where we are struggling to break teams down, we have to be making sure that we stay tight at the back. Obviously the lack of killer instinct in attack doesn't help with this as just encourages teams to go after us as a game wears on, but some games we've literally conceded just a couple of chances and conceded from it. They might still be on the face of things poor results, but losing to Newcastle, Bournemouth and West Ham all fairly late on by 1 goal - that's an extra 3 points which could be big come the end of the season in deciding our top 4 aspirations.

He needs the opportunity also to bring in players though if he sees fit to improve the situation. Liverpool's first full season under Klopp he conceded 50 goals in the league and was averaging I think around 1.2 goals conceded in his first 2 and half seasons at the club. The additions of Alisson and Van Dijk to their defence cannot be understated in helping to change their fortunes around. 

Agree. If you put hazard in our current team you can add 10-15 points and we would have secured 3rd place already. Overall our play has stagnated IMO but relies less on individual play from hazard or Rlc. We create plenty of chances regardless of opposition we just fail to convert them. But we have definitely improved as a team collectively. 
we need one more proper central defender and better left back and a deadly striker and we would be back among the top teams. It’s just our deficiencies that cost us more than they should due to lack of individual quality to paper over cracks.

[Iggy Doonican 4,186]

3 hours ago, Jason said:

Just putting this out here...

Derby County
57 games
14 clean sheets
70 goals conceded

Chelsea
36 games
7 clean sheets
49 goals conceded

Total
93 games
21 clean sheets
119 goals conceded

People can spin it anyway they want but that makes awful and worrying reading.

[Vesper 30,083]

Baba out for the year, Bakayoko out injured now as well, Zappacosta still out with horrid knee injury, might be for the rest of the year, Charly Musonda the same atm

Ampadu back to RB where he will play fuckall

loan army tatters

https://www.football.london/chelsea-fc/players/chelsea-loanees-bakayoko-rahman-moses-17682766

Disaster for Baba: Chelsea left back needs surgery again, on both knees after failed comeback

Baba Rahman has been spending the season on loan wtih Real Mallorca, but has been injured for most of it

https://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/2020/1/31/21116419/disaster-for-baba-chelsea-left-back-needs-surgery-again-on-both-knees-after-failed-comeback

 

[Vesper 30,083]

Lampard needs to sack Henrique Hilário NOW.

EOS

[Atomiswave 6,117]

5 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Lampard needs to sack Henrique Hilário NOW.

EOS

We have plenty to sack to be honest