Super Frank Thread

[Nicco 927]

Just now, Tomo said:

Who you would demand is sacked within months .

Let's not pretend I wanted Sarri or Conte sacked, only this clueless rookie, has no business managing a top side, at least not yet.

[killer1257 3,282]

Let's not pretend I wanted Sarri or Conte sacked, only this clueless rookie, has no business managing a top side, at least not yet.

I highly doubt that Guardiola would do any better than our "clueless rookie".

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[Nicco 927]

6 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

I highly doubt that Guardiola would do any better than our "clueless rookie".

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Says who? Pretty sure Guardiola would've killed the game 2 days ago if he went up a man, this crap needs to stop. Frank Lampard singlehandely transformed our average, bad defense to a none existing one in the span of a few months, that alone is a sackable offense, I don't give a fuck about his excuses and his zonal defense crap if it doesn't work change it but this guy makes the same stupid mistakes. He talks about Emerson leaving his post in that counter attack like it's normal to have all players in the opposite field with a narrow 1-0 lead.

[killer1257 3,282]

Says who? Pretty sure Guardiola would've killed the game 2 days ago if he went up a man, this crap needs to stop. Frank Lampard singlehandely transformed our average, bad defense to a none existing one in the span of a few months, that alone is a sackable offense, I don't give a fuck about his excuses and his zonal defense crap if it doesn't work change it but this guy makes the same stupid mistakes. He talks about Emerson leaving his post in that counter attack like it's normal to have all players in the opposite field with a narrow 1-0 lead.

Guardiola would have never killed the game with players like Willian in the team.
Man City have conceded only 5 goals less than us and they have a way better goalkeeper. Guardiola also uses zonal defense. You just don't like Lamps

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[Tomo 21,751]

6 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

Guardiola would have never killed the game with players like Willian in the team.

Man City have conceded only 5 goals less than us and they have a way better goalkeeper. Guardiola also uses zonal defense. You just don't like Lamps

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In fairness that's a good point made, you would never see Pep draw 2-2 after leading with an extra man.

[killer1257 3,282]

Says who? Pretty sure Guardiola would've killed the game 2 days ago if he went up a man, this crap needs to stop. Frank Lampard singlehandely transformed our average, bad defense to a none existing one in the span of a few months, that alone is a sackable offense, I don't give a fuck about his excuses and his zonal defense crap if it doesn't work change it but this guy makes the same stupid mistakes. He talks about Emerson leaving his post in that counter attack like it's normal to have all players in the opposite field with a narrow 1-0 lead.

Remember 2:2 Chelsea vs Barcelona when clueless Guardiola drew a 10 men Chelsea?

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[Jase 43,479]

15 minutes ago, Nicco said:

Says who? Pretty sure Guardiola would've killed the game 2 days ago if he went up a man, this crap needs to stop. Frank Lampard singlehandely transformed our average, bad defense to a none existing one in the span of a few months, that alone is a sackable offense, I don't give a fuck about his excuses and his zonal defense crap if it doesn't work change it but this guy makes the same stupid mistakes. He talks about Emerson leaving his post in that counter attack like it's normal to have all players in the opposite field with a narrow 1-0 lead.

Guardiola would have killed the game if he went up a man? Clearly someone forgot about Camp Nou 2012.  

I find it amusing that you criticize the players for not being good enough and at the same time, moan about Lampard not being able to finish games off. Yes, Lampard has made mistakes but how exactly is it his fault that the players are so bad that they can't convert chances? It's as though Lampard was controlling the players from the sideline!

Also, you're kidding yourself if you think Guardiola would do better with this squad. He had a better squad than us now when he first joined Man City but still struggled that season, struggled to deal with set pieces, struggled to deal with counter attacks, even had to endure people calling him 'Fraudiola'! And oh he finished in the Top 4 that season, just 3 points ahead of the team in 5th!

Honestly, I don't know what's the point of you and Mana (plus one or two others) constantly coming here and moan about Lampard, moan about the same things over and over and over again, even on days when we do not play! Do you guys really have that much free time? No chance Lampard will be sacked when Sarri survived the historic 4-0 and 6-0 losses and even when Top 4 looked all but gone in the league. Hell, there haven't been any reports of Lampard getting the sack, compare to Sarri this time last season. So seriously, can you just spare us from your endless moaning!? 

[Nicco 927]

13 minutes ago, Jason said:

Guardiola would have killed the game if he went up a man? Clearly someone forgot about Camp Nou 2012.  

I find it amusing that you criticize the players for not being good enough and at the same time, moan about Lampard not being able to finish games off. Yes, Lampard has made mistakes but how exactly is it his fault that the players are so bad that they can't convert chances? It's as though Lampard was controlling the players from the sideline!

Also, you're kidding yourself if you think Guardiola would do better with this squad. He had a better squad than us now when he first joined Man City but still struggled that season, struggled to deal with set pieces, struggled to deal with counter attacks, even had to endure people calling him 'Fraudiola'! And oh he finished in the Top 4 that season, just 3 points ahead of the team in 5th!

Honestly, I don't know what's the point of you and Mana (plus one or two others) constantly coming here and moan about Lampard, moan about the same things over and over and over again, even on days when we do not play! Do you guys really have that much free time? No chance Lampard will be sacked when Sarri survived the historic 4-0 and 6-0 losses and even when Top 4 looked all but gone in the league. Hell, there haven't been any reports of Lampard getting the sack, compare to Sarri this time last season. So seriously, can you just spare us from your endless moaning!? 

Actually comparing our team from 2012 to this trash Arsenal team, fucking hilarious that team had more quality in the right finger than this entire shithouse Arsenal team has, let alone winning mentality.

Yes Lampard should've controlled the game from the sideline it's his fucking fault they drop the intensity, stop pretending he is doing anything to motivate them or that's not his job to do.

I don't give a fuck about Sarri's historic losses, Lampard lost to like 3-4 relegation fodders all in bad forms and consecutive loses pilling up, Bournemouth and Newcastle with half the first team injured. Lampard apologists are the worst.

[Tomo 21,751]

1 hour ago, Atomiswave said:

I want him to stay and do super well but in the end his still a rookie and have so so much to learn. Maybe it comes with time and money well spent.

But its worrying what we are seeing.....forget plan B, what is plan A? What is the system and structor? Cuz I see none of that. We still do not have a first 11, every player gets chopped and changed so often.

Same bloody mistakes all season with no remedy....basics all out the window. Yes we have suffered with injuries, we have average players or spent ones but that does not excuse not having a system.

This will be so tough on FL and I feel for him.

We all signed up for this, we are transfering between ageing players and academy players. We will out football Ajax in Amsterdam one week and lose to a team we shouldn't the next (paraphrasing). It's par for the course.

We are I think 7 points below what we were this time last season and 3 behind what we were with the same fixtures, that's decent going when you consider Hazard has gone and Rudiger has been out most of the season.

And yes there's some decisions he needs to stop making but there's also been cases of rectifying mistakes pretty quickly. For example, no more of the 100mph stuff we saw in the opening against Leicester which left us knackered at the end, soon as he realised he screwed up at Arsenal he changed things and they couldn't get a sniff.

And yes I do believe there are signs of encouragement despite the struggles of late, here are some bullet points as to why I think so (I will probably template this as I feel it will be needed a few more times this season).

- He's had us winning three big away games (Ajax, Arsenal, Spurs) after more than two years not winning a single one, and ALL three of them were in a lot part down to his tactics/adjustment's. You could even say four at a push by including this very good Wolves team that scalp the top six as a hobby.

- We went toe to toe with two of the best sides in PL history. Liverpool had to park the bus to escape the Bridge with three points, this was finished article Liverpool vs young players and a manager five games into top flight football. We lost the games due to them being more experienced and clinical but the fact we actually went toe to toe with them and competed at this stage was outstanding.

- When it's come off it's been really good. Watford away especially was an absolute delight to watch.

- He has improved players. Tomori looked like he was finding his level in the Championship until Frank got hold of him, Kova looks a different player this season, Pulisic has started producing numbers that he wasn't really known for, Tammy and Mount are better all round players, Willian is probably having his best season with the club.

- We are vastly underperforming our XG rates at both ends, which as God frustrating as it is currently, is a promising indication things will get better. XG is as accurate a foreshadower of things to come as it's possible to get.

Am I happy with everything he's done? No, I'm particularly vocal at my irritation of the Jorgi/Kova/Mount midfield being broke up prematurely (which in my opinion had cost us atleast 7 points) and i do expect evolvement year on year (less and less of the naiveity we can sometimes see) but all things considered (transfer embargo, losing Hazard, trying to rebuild a core with academy players, all in sundry thinking we'd be lucky to finish top half) he's doing a fine job and I've seen more than enough encouragement there's a potential top coach there.

[Tomo 21,751]

5 minutes ago, Nicco said:

Lampard apologists are the worst.

As are people with agendas.

If you think Lampard is not the man to take us forward fair enough (and ideally bring forward a thought provoking analysis as to why which quite frankly is the least I thought you'd be doing since you feel so strongly about it), but you've been so unobjective you can't even bring yourself to praise the Ajax win.

[Nicco 927]

9 minutes ago, Tomo said:

As are people with agendas.

If you think Lampard is not the man to take us forward fair enough (and ideally bring forward a thought provoking analysis as to why which quite frankly is the least I thought you'd be doing since you feel so strongly about it), but you've been so unobjective you can't even bring yourself to praise the Ajax win.

Some of you are so deep into his bullshit you genuinely don't even admit anymore the referee gifted us a win against Ajax and a draw, it's like you look at the result and pretend the context doesn't even matter anymore, but when we had more possession at City and Liverpool you suddenly talk about context, as I said some of the Lampard defence squad are literally clutching at straws lately. His entire CL campaign was a joke we played like shit in all matches except Lille first match, the only one we deserved more was the first match against Valencia but I'm not sure we would've qualified if decisions didn't went our way. I will never defend this guy until I actually see something positive in our play except the routine he is playing youth!

[Jase 43,479]

7 minutes ago, Nicco said:

Actually comparing our team from 2012 to this trash Arsenal team, fucking hilarious that team had more quality in the right finger this entire shithouse Arsenal team has, let alone winning mentality.

So, first it's how Lampard can't kill teams off and now it's the quality comparison?  

7 minutes ago, Nicco said:

Yes Lampard should've controlled the game from the sideline it's his fucking fault they drop the intensity, stop pretending he is doing anything to motivate them or that's not his job to do.

How do you know Lampard isn't doing anything to motivate the players? Do you have a source? Have you been in the dressing room? 

How can you moan about the players not being good enough and at the same time, moan about Lampard not being good? 

15 minutes ago, Nicco said:

I don't give a fuck about Sarri's historic losses, Lampard lost to like 3-4 relegation fodders all in bad forms and consecutive loses pilling up, Bournemouth and Newcastle with half the first team injured.

Like Sarri didn't have his fair share of embarrassing losses! 

16 minutes ago, Nicco said:

Lampard apologists are the worst.

As are those with anti-Lampard agendas.