Jorginho

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52 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

I dont think he is as bad as people make it out. He isnt that super creative midfielder that will be racking up chances every game, but more of a man before that man. 

That said, he is realy poor when holding the backline. Any stronger or quicker players just stroll past him on regular basis and break the midfield, that has been the standard for a while now. 

Is that a fake stats? 11 through ball and no 1? 

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10 minutes ago, communicate said:

Is that a fake stats? 11 through ball and no 1? 

This was pre corona, but probably not since its from sky

Edit: just checked out PL site, Jorginho is 4th now with 16 (kdb 32, maddison 19, buendia 17). I guess he was 2nd then, but sky made a mistake...

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25 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

This was pre corona, but probably not since its from sky

 

I see the ranking look like among midfirld, or depend on sky definition of mid.

The most interesting numbers are imo from your last image. It doesn't show the player, it show the difference in team playing style. 

Rodri 20 interception, jorgi n ndidi 56. 

You can also use 

Jorgi 10,fabinho 5,rodri 4. Albeit from smaller sample size. 

 

 

[NikkiCFC 8,286]

Jorginho agent confirms Miralem Pjanic swap offer from Juventus to Chelsea

“Juventus had offered a swap deal including Miralem Pjanic, but the English side didn’t take it into consideration. [Juve sporting director Fabio] Paratici never called me.”

“Would he have moved to Juventus with Sarri? I think so.”

 

“He has a three-year deal with Chelsea. The market is long, it will last until October 5. If Chelsea were to think that he is no longer part of the project, I would find an alternative solution. Last year he played 40 games for Chelsea and is an important member of the national team.

“So far we haven’t received any official offers. He is followed by many clubs and there aren’t many players with his characteristics in that role.”

-João Santos; Source: Tuttomercatoweb via Goal.com

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On 21/08/2020 at 1:04 AM, NikkiCFC said:

He can play through press much better than majority of our other players.

In this two minutes video you can see how he did very well but Barkley, Giroud and Mount destroyed every possible attack. 

With Kai, Timo, Puli and Hakim here next season, Jorginho can be essential player again.

But I respect also if we go other direction and go for Rice but to sell Jorgi with no players in for this position would be very stupid because he is our best option as DLP.

I agree that he lacks athleticism so I would suggest him to do Goretzka.

 

Good post. 

I have to agree with Chilwell, Werner, Ziyech and Havertz (closer now) coming in, particularly Werner and Havertz, should raise Jorginho’s game because the movement will be much better off the ball and hopefully look to get in behind more. Ziyech as well is also going to be a huge player for him, coming between the lines to receive the ball. Really think selling Jorginho would be daft still. 

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8 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

Jorginho agent confirms Miralem Pjanic swap offer from Juventus to Chelsea

“Juventus had offered a swap deal including Miralem Pjanic, but the English side didn’t take it into consideration. [Juve sporting director Fabio] Paratici never called me.”

“Would he have moved to Juventus with Sarri? I think so.”

 

“He has a three-year deal with Chelsea. The market is long, it will last until October 5. If Chelsea were to think that he is no longer part of the project, I would find an alternative solution. Last year he played 40 games for Chelsea and is an important member of the national team.

“So far we haven’t received any official offers. He is followed by many clubs and there aren’t many players with his characteristics in that role.”

-João Santos; Source: Tuttomercatoweb via Goal.com

Thank you and he can piss rught off. 

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15 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

Good post. 

I have to agree with Chilwell, Werner, Ziyech and Havertz (closer now) coming in, particularly Werner and Havertz, should raise Jorginho’s game because the movement will be much better off the ball and hopefully look to get in behind more. Ziyech as well is also going to be a huge player for him, coming between the lines to receive the ball. Really think selling Jorginho would be daft still. 

Really long thread, cannot post it all...

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Frank never found a way to use his abilities? Erm, he has? Circa October-December when the midfield three of Mount/Kovacic/Jorginho took the piss out of every opposition in the league at the time. 

Again, I would love, absolutely love, if in some games we take this approach. 

Mendy

James---Silva---Zouma---Chilwell

Jorginho

Havertz---Mount

Ziyech--------------------Pulisic

Werner

 

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6 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

Really long thread, cannot post it all...

Some great stat comparisons etc but even in his first season it was so obvious to me if we wanted to move forward and be a team that dominate the ball and play like the way we all wanted to he would be the key player in midfield. His passing range is always overlooked but as many have seen it is there and it is good. You need the movement and the fluidity in other areas of the pitch and we always haven’t had that. Even the fullbacks athleticism let us down st times particularly on the left before MS trusted Emerson. I felt Sarri would of brought that sort of football but it didn't really happen either and maybe he needed a bit longer but with Hazard and Willian in attack, who in my opinion more likely to want the ball to feet to try dribble or break a team down than run off it in the same way Pedro did at Barcelona or Sterling does for City under Pep or Callejon did for Sarri in Naples or get into the box regularly, it was always going to need time or personnel changes to make it work. Pulisic I think has that selfless running and ability to get into the box in an area between the two goal posts regularly and now Werner as well could have done that from the left.

obviously now with Frank its no surprise to see we are upgrading in attack, these additions should be aiming to improve the fluidity, movement and overall quality which should help Jorginho as well from that deeper position to find runners over the top more or players at least making movements that can open space up for other players in the team as well.

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On 20/08/2020 at 9:04 PM, NikkiCFC said:

He can play through press much better than majority of our other players.

In this two minutes video you can see how he did very well but Barkley, Giroud and Mount destroyed every possible attack. 

With Kai, Timo, Puli and Hakim here next season, Jorginho can be essential player again.

But I respect also if we go other direction and go for Rice but to sell Jorgi with no players in for this position would be very stupid because he is our best option as DLP.

I agree that he lacks athleticism so I would suggest him to do Goretzka.

 

Damm, Gore is really handsome.

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Good performance against Holland

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23 hours ago, !Hazard! said:

Good performance against Holland

My impression with Jorginho is that every time he does not perform well, every other team mate in the field is more responsible for that then him.

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1 hour ago, kiwi1691 said:

 

Nah, sell him for 30m and buy Rice for 80m lol

Rice cannot clean Jorgis boots.

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4 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

Nah, sell him for 30m and buy Rice for 80m lol

Rice cannot clean Jorgis boots.

That goal was a pen, that assist was a 30 yard pile driver from RJ.

Other than that, Mount had as many key passes, more tackles won, 39 passes with a better pass%. Surprising how one had a MoTM performance for you, and another was below average.