Jorginho

[chippy 342]

1 hour ago, NikkiCFC said:

Not sure what people expect from him? 

He made great pass against Spurs for first goal. Last night also for Mount chance. 3-4-3 is not his system. Stats show he's our best defensive player with interceptions etc... 

He has his flaws of course but if he plays for City or Barca he would be very praised player. 

Some of pur players get singled out after a bad game and Jorginho is one of them. Others, like Rudi, are getting away way with being consistently bang average/crap week in week out. 

[MoroccanBlue 5,320]

5 hours ago, Special Juan said:

His form is more worrying than his discipline.

They go hand in hand. 

A disciplined performance meaning he picks the right pass, doesn’t force a situation, doesn’t over press and get caught out, etc. 

He’s been guilty of all those things for a while now. 

[Special Juan 27,457]

20 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

They go hand in hand. 

A disciplined performance meaning he picks the right pass, doesn’t force a situation, doesn’t over press and get caught out, etc. 

He’s been guilty of all those things for a while now. 

I'm not sure what he is for this team, and I base that not even on last night but as an overall of the season. 

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On 26/02/2020 at 0:53 PM, NikkiCFC said:

Not sure what people expect from him? 

He made great pass against Spurs for first goal. Last night also for Mount chance. 3-4-3 is not his system. Stats show he's our best defensive player with interceptions etc... 

He has his flaws of course but if he plays for City or Barca he would be very praised player. 

That is the most misleading stat bandied about. To add a little context, Jorginho intercepts the ball sometimes but in order to do this he runs around like a headless chicken and leaves acres of space in the midfield. He makes a few interceptions by doing this but when the opposition get by him easily (this happens far, far more often than a Jorginho interception) they have the entire midfield to run into. And of course Joringho has zero recovery pace so he leaves the team in a vulnerable position by gambling as often as he does. Jorginho has to try and win the ball early, well before the opposition can get turned because when they do he stands no chance of blocking or stopping anybody. If anybody squares him up they get by him 99.9% of the time.

We have to sell him this summer and for his sake he needs to go back to Italy. This league is not for him and we're not going to improve as long as he is in our first 11.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

His passing is overrated. He can only give short passes, but any pass with length is either too short, too far, or towards the stomach instead of ball to feet. Maybe I've been spoiled by the quality of fabregas in the past but they're not in the same league in passing. Jorginho is just an average passer imo

 

[DDA 9,689]

He is starting to look extremely suspect in Lampards Chelsea. Weird, because he started soo well.

[Jase 43,479]

4 hours ago, kellzfresh said:

His passing is overrated. He can only give short passes, but any pass with length is either too short, too far, or towards the stomach instead of ball to feet. Maybe I've been spoiled by the quality of fabregas in the past but they're not in the same league in passing. Jorginho is just an average passer imo

Jorginho is a poor man's Fabregas. At least Fabregas could compensate his defensive flaws with his excellent passing ability but Jorginho can't do that. 

[killer1257 3,282]

Jorginho is a poor man's Fabregas. At least Fabregas could compensate his defensive flaws with his excellent passing ability but Jorginho can't do that. 

I would agree in some parts of your statement, but Jorginho's defensive contribution is underrated. I think in this thread, there are stats that prove my point.

I still prefer having Cesc over Jorgi because Cesc and Hazard for many years solved our creativity problem. Mount and Jorgi clearly don't have the creative output of Cesc that is really needed at a top Club. When you look at Man City. They have David and Bernardo Silva, Mahrez, KDB and Gündogan. That is a insane level of creativity. We only have Kova that gives us a little bit of that.

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[Henrique 9,133]

On 18/08/2018 at 4:38 PM, Henrique said:

I'm still think right now he creates more problems than anything. When Arsenal was creating chances for fun in the end of 1st half, Jorginho was completely lost, marking no one, he can't win any 1vs1 battle, he can't harass the opponents. In the second half he have an assist to Abumayang, and he was lucky that was a soft off-side. I'm not really concerned about the number of touches, to be honest.

Jorginho is the worst thing about Sarri legacy. One and a half year later he still he is the same player he was when he arrive in the PL. He is the main reason why the team became so vulnerable at the defense since last season.  He is slow, he lacks physical power, he can't harass the opponents, he barely wins 1x1 battle. We need another DM to play alongside Kante.

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On 01/03/2020 at 2:02 PM, DDA said:

He is starting to look extremely suspect in Lampards Chelsea. Weird, because he started soo well.

He is suspect since day one. Sarri biggest mistake was trying to create a team around Jorginho. Lampard's biggest mistake was emulating Sarri in using Jorginho as the main DM and deploying Kante to a more advanced position. I hope he is sold at the transfer windows. 

[communicate 2,703]

14 hours ago, Henrique said:

He is suspect since day one. Sarri biggest mistake was trying to create a team around Jorginho. 

I agree with this

14 hours ago, Henrique said:

Lampard's biggest mistake was emulating  deploying Kante to a more advanced position. 

So who should play more advanced? 

[chippy 342]

2 hours ago, communicate said:

I agree with this

So who should play more advanced? 

A new signing.

Jorginho is certainly not without talent but he is more suited to a slower paced league.

The midfield of Jorginho, Kante and Kova just does not work, so it's time to rip it up!

Hopefully Loftus will be 100% for next season. Then we have Hakim to come in, so already the midfield is looking very different and more exciting for next season. Barkley to be moved on as well.

 

 

[communicate 2,703]

1 hour ago, chippy said:

A new signing.

Jorginho is certainly not without talent but he is more suited to a slower paced league.

The midfield of Jorginho, Kante and Kova just does not work, so it's time to rip it up!

Hopefully Loftus will be 100% for next season. Then we have Hakim to come in, so already the midfield is looking very different and more exciting for next season. Barkley to be moved on as well.

 

 

New player is not an answer. My question, this season who should play that advanced role. 

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One of our main problems this season has been the ridiculous gap and empty space between central midfield and central defence. When the team presses high, we need the defence line to move higher up as well or else it all falls apart so easily and any midfielder, and especially a slower one like Jorginho, will look suspect in this type of setup. I don't quite understand how or why Lampard hasn't fixed this already. In comparison, by the end of last season we had pretty much solved this and looked quite solid going forward as well as in defence.

[Henrique 9,133]

9 hours ago, communicate said:

I agree with this

So who should play more advanced? 

Bench Jorginho. Kante as the main defensive midfielder. 

[MoroccanBlue 5,320]

4 hours ago, Henrique said:

Bench Jorginho. Kante as the main defensive midfielder. 

That’s never worked

[Styl1994 188]

Real silly of him to get that yellow card when we have so many injuries and need him.

[NikkiCFC 8,063]

People criticized him for yellow cards but it is the main reason we got Gilmour so soon. So, thank you Jorgi!