🇮🇹 Jorginho

[Tomo 21,751]

Just now, SUNZ said:

Anybody who watched the 8-2 game last night and still believes a player like Jorginho should have a future here is nothing more than a trolll. He has zero athleticism, snail pace and can't play through a press. He is a complete charlatan who belongs in the backwards Serie A.

 

Because playing a "proper DM" Vs Bayern really made us solid at the back.

That said, if Lampard prefers a sitting DM instead of a Jorgi/Gilmour type player there then I get behind it if he signs an appropriate player, sticking a past his prime box to box player there isn't going to cut it.

[SUNZ 155]

Just now, Tomo said:

Because playing a "proper DM" Vs Bayern really made us solid at the back.

That said, if Lampard prefers a sitting DM instead of a Jorgi/Gilmour type player there then I get behind it if he signs an appropriate player, sticking a past his prime box to box player there isn't going to cut it, as was saw against Bayern.

Brilliant. Well done on arguing against a point I didn't make in that post.

I get that Kante is the whipping boy now that his body is starting to break down (in large part due to awful management) but at least wait for a post praising his performance against Bayern before making this post.

[Tomo 21,751]

Just now, SUNZ said:

Brilliant. Well done on arguing against a point I didn't make in that post.

I get that Kante is the whipping boy now that his body is starting to break down (in large part due to awful management) but at least wait for a post praising his performance against Bayern before making this post.

Well it's a default argument when you're involved because you passionately defended that selection before the City game then walsed round the forum with your dick out after we won the match.

[SUNZ 155]

1 minute ago, Tomo said:

Well it's a default argument when you're involved because you passionately defended that selection before the City game then walsed round the forum with your dick out after we won the match.

Ahh right, the City game which we won and Kante played well in. He didn't play well against Bayern when really he shouldn't have been playing at all. He wasn't fit enough for the final the week before and only played because of a lack of options due to injury and suspensions.

[Vesper 30,219]

1 hour ago, SUNZ said:

Anybody who watched the 8-2 game last night and still believes a player like Jorginho should have a future here is nothing more than a trolll. He has zero athleticism, snail pace and can't play through a press. He is a complete charlatan who belongs in the backwards Serie A.

 

I agree. Damn the old smoker to hell.

[Artandur 939]

Saying Roma is interested in Jorginho. Dont see it, would probably have to be a club record signing for them.

[killer1257 3,282]

Saying Roma is interested in Jorginho. Dont see it, would probably have to be a club record signing for them.

Nobody will pay 60 million for Jorgi. Only Sarri was willing to. I think 30 to 40 million for Jorgi is a fair price

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[Artandur 939]

1 minute ago, killer1257 said:

Nobody will pay 60 million for Jorgi. Only Sarri was willing to. I think 30 to 40 million for Jorgi is a fair price

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Sure, i agree. But we are not talking about what's fair, the question is what Marina wants for him.

[Puliiszola 519]

1 hour ago, killer1257 said:

Nobody will pay 60 million for Jorgi. Only Sarri was willing to. I think 30 to 40 million for Jorgi is a fair price

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We bought him for 57m €, so after 2 years, we would have 34m€ of his value on our books. So I feel literally anything upwards of 35m€ should be enough to simply get him off our books. 

Just not good enough, never was, never will be. 

[Jype 6,398]

15 minutes ago, Puliiszola said:

We bought him for 57m €, so after 2 years, we would have 34m€ of his value on our books. So I feel literally anything upwards of 35m€ should be enough to simply get him off our books. 

Yep, I think getting 35m€ would be good enough value.

Would be just enough to write him off the books, freeing up 11.6M€ a year in amortisation and another 6M€/y in wages. Overall 'savings' of almost 18M€ per year and not to mention having extra funds (the 35m€ fee) to pay new transfers with.

If Lamps doesn't want him anymore it makes sense to sell him, even at a price little bit lower than his market value. But not sure who in Italy can either afford or need him now that Juve is out of the question.

[Puliiszola 519]

21 minutes ago, Jype said:

Yep, I think getting 35m€ would be good enough value.

Would be just enough to write him off the books, freeing up 11.6M€ a year in amortisation and another 6M€/y in wages. Overall 'savings' of almost 18M€ per year and not to mention having extra funds (the 35m€ fee) to pay new transfers with.

If Lamps doesn't want him anymore it makes sense to sell him, even at a price little bit lower than his market value. But not sure who in Italy can either afford or need him now that Juve is out of the question.

True. Hopefully the roma rumors are actually legit. 

[OhForAGreavsie 6,077]

5 hours ago, Puliiszola said:

Overall 'savings' of almost 18M€ per year and not to mention having extra funds (the 35m€ fee) to pay new transfers with.

This is double accounting. If we spent that €35m on recruitment it would bring with it new wages to pay, and a new amortisation to be accounted.

[Puliiszola 519]

3 hours ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

This is double accounting. If we spent that €35m on recruitment it would bring with it new wages to pay, and a new amortisation to be accounted.

I think what @Jype meant was that selling jorginho would firstly give us funds to buy (let's say Declan rice), as well as free up wages and amortization fees. 

[Jype 6,398]

1 hour ago, Puliiszola said:

I think what @Jype meant was that selling jorginho would firstly give us funds to buy (let's say Declan rice), as well as free up wages and amortization fees. 

Yep, exactly what I meant. In these current pandemic times most  clubs don't have the cash reserves to buy players because they need to ensure they have enough to cover all running costs (wages etc.) so obviously having an extra 35m€ lying around in the club's bank accounts would make many things easier. Of course all new signings would still go on the books for amortisation and wages and that's where freeing up 18m€ a year from Jorginho would come in handy. 

[NikkiCFC 8,334]

On 8/15/2020 at 4:17 PM, SUNZ said:

Anybody who watched the 8-2 game last night and still believes a player like Jorginho should have a future here is nothing more than a trolll. He has zero athleticism, snail pace and can't play through a press. He is a complete charlatan who belongs in the backwards Serie A.

 

He can play through press much better than majority of our other players.

In this two minutes video you can see how he did very well but Barkley, Giroud and Mount destroyed every possible attack. 

With Kai, Timo, Puli and Hakim here next season, Jorginho can be essential player again.

But I respect also if we go other direction and go for Rice but to sell Jorgi with no players in for this position would be very stupid because he is our best option as DLP.

I agree that he lacks athleticism so I would suggest him to do Goretzka.

 

[Pulisicismydaddy 91]

6 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

He can play through press much better than majority of our other players.

In this two minutes video you can see how he did very well but Barkley, Giroud and Mount destroyed every possible attack. 

With Kai, Timo, Puli and Hakim here next season, Jorginho can be essential player again.

But I respect also if we go other direction and go for Rice but to sell Jorgi with no players in for this position would be very stupid because he is our best option as DLP.

I agree that he lacks athleticism so I would suggest him to do Goretzka.

 

We got Billy.

[MoroccanBlue 5,383]

Yeah I can’t help but feel Jorginho with our attacking options next season will cause serious damage up top. 

[BlueLyon 9,359]

8 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Yeah I can’t help but feel Jorginho with our attacking options next season will cause serious damage up top. 

No one denies he isnt good midfielder. Problem is with him as holding midfielder, we dont have midfield when defending. Our backline is poor and Jorginho is no better.

[Special Juan 28,139]

It's going the other way he has problems.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

17 hours ago, Special Juan said:

It's going the other way he has problems.

I dont think he is as bad as people make it out. He isnt that super creative midfielder that will be racking up chances every game, but more of a man before that man. 

That said, he is realy poor when holding the backline. Any stronger or quicker players just stroll past him on regular basis and break the midfield, that has been the standard for a while now.