Marcos Alonso

[NiclasCFC 2,582]

This guy never gets the respect he deserves on here, it's quite laughable.

[LAM09 6,853]

This guy never gets the respect he deserves on here, it's quite laughable.

He's a decent attacking LB who lacks pace and awareness, which doesn't make him an undisputed defender at this level.

I think most people give him his dues when deserving.

[manpe 10,861]

This guy never gets the respect he deserves on here, it's quite laughable.

Last season there were more games where he was a liability more than anything. Contributed nothing in defence or attack with a few exceptions. If he manages to stay consistently good, at least in attacking sense, then you will see a lot more respect towards him. Too early to claim anything with only 3 games in. 

 

PS I will never have much respect for him due to his past. He is an okay player, that's it.

 

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[OneMoSalah 8,817]

47 minutes ago, manpe said:

Last season there were more games where he was a liability more than anything. Contributed nothing in defence or attack with a few exceptions. If he manages to stay consistently good, at least in attacking sense, then you will see a lot more respect towards him. Too early to claim anything with only 3 games in. 

 

PS I will never have much respect for him due to his past. He is an okay player, that's it.

 

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Perhaps but again, he scored big goals and that dug us out a lot of times, some of the winners he got you'd want to see other offensive players stepping up to get so in that regard its quite an interesting attribute for a full back to have.

Hes been excellent offensively and other than 20 minutes against Arsenal, hes looked more than solid enough despite concerns (I wasn't sure either how he'd do in a back 4) this season. I know he isn't the fastest but hes not the slowest and I like that he will get quite physical in duels despite people maybe thinking hes your traditional Spanish LB who is a bit light in challenges. I really think that Sarri wanting him to get outside and hit low and hard crosses along the box for runners will be a big plus for us because we all know his delivery can be very good at times and hes also able to change it up by coming inside and making third man runs to get into goal scoring positions. What annoyed me a bit last year was when we were really narrow he'd be in the box more often than not and not mix it up, we need him to be varied because as we seen v Newcastle we were very congested centrally and a bit of width really helps create spaces and drag opposition backlines about but also last season we didn't get as many men in the box but now you see under Sarri, Morata, Pedro, Barkley, Kante all taking turns at getting in the box to give us more options.... so hopefully his delivery out wide is very consistent and theres no reason why he can't get 10 plus assists this season.

[Stats 7,072]

1 hour ago, manpe said:

Last season there were more games where he was a liability more than anything. Contributed nothing in defence or attack with a few exceptions. If he manages to stay consistently good, at least in attacking sense, then you will see a lot more respect towards him. Too early to claim anything with only 3 games in. 

 

PS I will never have much respect for him due to his past. He is an okay player, that's it.

 

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A bit harsh considering that he got 7 goals last season. I don't think I have seen a FB/WB get those amounts before. Worth noting that he scored more goals from open play than from set piece situations too. I get what you are saying in regards to overlapping runs etc, however he picks his runs wisely. For all the overlapping FB such as Robertson, Walker and Mendy who I rate really highly, they don't actually score much goals at all.

[Special Juan 27,581]

Needs credit for what he's done, scored some crucial goals.

Important he ups his game at defending, he will come up against some much better opponents in the coming months.

Right now he's doing good things.

[manpe 10,861]

A bit harsh considering that he got 7 goals last season. I don't think I have seen a FB/WB get those amounts before. Worth noting that he scored more goals from open play than from set piece situations too. I get what you are saying in regards to overlapping runs etc, however he picks his runs wisely. For all the overlapping FB such as Robertson, Walker and Mendy who I rate really highly, they don't actually score much goals at all.

Maybe harsh, but I did say with a few exceptions. Some of the games where he scored he was still bad though. If a striker makes a goal-line clearance I will applaud him, but I won't judge his striking ability on that. As I won't give huge weight to a FB occasionally being in the right place at the right time or scoring the odd FK or two. Take away the goals and there's not much left to consider him anything special.

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[ja1 1,166]

14 minutes ago, manpe said:

Maybe harsh, but I did say with a few exceptions. Some of the games where he scored he was still bad though. If a striker makes a goal-line clearance I will applaud him, but I won't judge his striking ability on that. As I won't give huge weight to a FB occasionally being in the right place at the right time or scoring the odd FK or two. Take away the goals and there's not much left to consider him anything special.

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Well said.

[Unionjack 7,531]

29 minutes ago, manpe said:

Maybe harsh, but I did say with a few exceptions. Some of the games where he scored he was still bad though. If a striker makes a goal-line clearance I will applaud him, but I won't judge his striking ability on that. As I won't give huge weight to a FB occasionally being in the right place at the right time or scoring the odd FK or two. Take away the goals and there's not much left to consider him anything special.

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His defense problem wouldn't be as big if Luiz wasn't having his own issues.

But I do think that once we get the team pressing and defending tighter those issues wont be as big as they are now.

And to be fair on the guy he wasn't the only player not to do his job for several months last season.

I do wish we had gone for Telles! He would be great with us

[robsblubot 3,595]

5 hours ago, manpe said:

Maybe harsh, but I did say with a few exceptions. Some of the games where he scored he was still bad though. If a striker makes a goal-line clearance I will applaud him, but I won't judge his striking ability on that. As I won't give huge weight to a FB occasionally being in the right place at the right time or scoring the odd FK or two. Take away the goals and there's not much left to consider him anything special.

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I hear you, but FBs have two jobs: one is to defend and the other is to contribute in attack. Some would say that an attacking FB's job is to attack first, again esp because the other one we got produces little in the final third.

You literally cannot contribute more in attack than scoring a goal.

And as mentioned above, these are important goals who change/changed games. Dribbling and linking up play nicely may or may not change games... Goals always do.

[Clockwork 1,794]

11 hours ago, Robguima said:

Interesting that other attacking FBs don’t get the same criticism for lacking in defense (and most are not good in the air). Teams balance that out esp if you already have a purely defensive FB on the other side. Which makes covering even easier.

The system should play to the strength of the players you’ve got. Alonso is a threat to the opposition. If he is poor in defense get someone to cover him when he goes up. Who? Anyone who does not contribute as much as he does.

pretty common practice actually.

Alonso is not a good attacking FB, credit to him for his end product. Watch him for 90minutes he doesn't really attack well unlike other attacking FB. Other attacking FB put the opposition on their back foot and make them cautious attacking on their side. Alonso is a weakness and other teams target him. 

[robsblubot 3,595]

8 hours ago, Clockwork said:

Alonso is not a good attacking FB, credit to him for his end product. Watch him for 90minutes he doesn't really attack well unlike other attacking FB. Other attacking FB put the opposition on their back foot and make them cautious attacking on their side. Alonso is a weakness and other teams target him. 

Heh watch him plenty. Great technique with silky passing doing one twos all the time with his teammates (like the pk against newcastle). His end product... what would that be then? What’s the reason to attack, to link up play, if not to score? Scoring is the goal of all attacking (no pun intended ).

when you say that he’s not a good attacking FB, while I completely disagree, fair enough. One can argue he does not overlap as much as he should because of his lack of pace. But then when talking about him being targeted, then you lose me.

every attacking fullback is a weakness in defense and is targeted by the opposition. Not only because of his skill set but also the fact he will often leave his position in defense unguarded, well ... to attack.

Marcelo is a mule defending, prob the worst I’ve ever seen. And yet Real Madrid does not leak goals from his side on every game. It’s a choice they make (to employ him) and adjust the system to support him.

same way that when Eden beats a player or players with dribbling, often the defense adjusts and does not break. The system defends, not a single player. At least he's good in the air in defense.

[manpe 10,861]

9 hours ago, Robguima said:

At least he's good in the air in defense.

Yeah, that is one thing I can credit him for. His physical contribution in the box is very useful. That's why Conte used him as a goal kick outlet, not many opposing full-backs can compete with him in the air, the same way Mou used Ivanovic.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

His greatest asset, shooting. I could play him as a striker when Morata has one of those days.

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[Unionjack 7,531]

42 minutes ago, mccg said:

 

The old boy does have a good left foot.

[Unionjack 7,531]

Sarri on Alomso

Wing-back Marcos Alonso has kept his place in the Chelsea side, despite Sarri changing the formation.

But it seems Alonso’s place is not safe as Sarri issued a warning to the Spaniard.

‘He is a very good player and can improve in the defensive phase,’ Sarri said about Alonso.

‘Of course (I have told him). He has physical qualities at the top level. I think that he can do more in the defensive phase. He is a good player in both but I think he can do more.’

[mccg 1,528]

7 hours ago, Unionjack said:

The old boy does have a good left foot.

thats 4 sure dude , just needs to learn how to defend mmm better(that lazy tracking back bustmyballsfc grrrr) and grow a set and then tap tap boom sorted