🇪🇸 Marcos Alonso

[Tautvix 1,321]

7 minutes ago, Ayioros said:

Yeah no doubt about that but it's a shame for the player for his personal career.

He deserves more crédits.

 

From his point of view yes or course.

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Anybody noticed that rabona pass from Alonso against Everton? Guy got some tekkers, probably learned a thing or two from Hazard.

[Sideshow Luiz 2,310]

10 minutes ago, manpe said:

Anybody noticed that rabona pass from Alonso against Everton? Guy got some tekkers, probably learned a thing or two from Hazard.

I saw that.  In the dying minutes.  Willian collected and pulled an elastico.

Alonso has some great dribbling skills and overall technique. 

[Styles 9,790]

1 hour ago, manpe said:

Anybody noticed that rabona pass from Alonso against Everton? Guy got some tekkers, probably learned a thing or two from Hazard.

 

58 minutes ago, Sideshow Luiz said:

I saw that.  In the dying minutes.  Willian collected and pulled an elastico.

Alonso has some great dribbling skills and overall technique. 

Alonso is a failed winger playing LB. He was probably moved back in his youth due to a lack of pace. This isn't a guy who grew up playing defence all his life.

[Thor 2,717]

He still isn't very sure at the back. And it is mainly to do with pace. He gets the ball pushed around him at times, and the quick wingers just go around the other side. Doesn't fill you with confidence.

 

Great in attack though. 

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3 minutes ago, Thor said:

He still isn't very sure at the back. And it is mainly to do with pace. He gets the ball pushed around him at times, and the quick wingers just go around the other side. Doesn't fill you with confidence.

 

Great in attack though. 

He's not a fullback. Well, okay, he makes a decent fullback but he's not a defender. He's at home in that left midfield role. Played there for Fiorentina and now here.

Think that's the reason why Conte never switched back to a back four. And if he did, I'm sure we'd see Azpilicueta at leftback before Alonso.

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54 minutes ago, Styles said:

 

Alonso is a failed winger playing LB. He was probably moved back in his youth due to a lack of pace. This isn't a guy who grew up playing defence all his life.

Well, every full-back is a failed winger you might say  Nobody really wants to be a defender as a kid. Many center-backs are failed midfielders also, like JT for example (used to play CM in his youth, no?).

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4 hours ago, manpe said:

Well, every full-back is a failed winger you might say  Nobody really wants to be a defender as a kid. Many center-backs are failed midfielders also, like JT for example (used to play CM in his youth, no?).

And in some cases, CBs can turn into attacking midfielders like in Barkley's case.

[ja1 1,166]

One of the most overrated players in recent Chelsea history.

[blu35_army 551]

One of the most overrated players in recent Chelsea history.

he and bakayoko looks tired,,3 games between 7 days is really crazy dude...

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8 minutes ago, ja1 said:

One of the most overrated players in recent Chelsea history.

No he isnt. Attacking wise he is one of the best in the league. Its his defensive side that lets him down. 

The guy on his own won us the Spurs game. The fuck you smoking.

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Conte had to sub him off.

If the Burnley debacle didn't happen I'm sure he would be kept on. But we've seen how ref can get influenced by crowds and start giving a spree of cards.
On top of that, our players need more sense and keep a calm head. 
If Conte didn't sub him off, any 50-50 challenge which he lost, no doubt Dean would've sent him off.

He needs to learn from Kante on how to deal with being carded.

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Definitely had a bet to get sent off around that time. 

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14 minutes ago, Polo7 said:

No he isnt. Attacking wise he is one of the best in the league. Its his defensive side that lets him down. 

The guy on his own won us the Spurs game. The fuck you smoking.

If we're going to base his attributes on one game why don't we just use today then when he nearly lost us the game. Schurrle scored an important goal once in a win vs Man City and I don't see people scraping to bring up one game as an argument why we shouldn't have sold him. Watching Alonso for the past year for us is what I'm basing my opinion one, not reactionary transient views based on a match.

 

Man has a good free kick and a decent shot that means he can stat pad goals but in terms of his all round play absolutely nothing out of the ordinary or top level about him. I often hear how good he is going forward, realistically no he's not. Azpi came on today and showed us what we could have with a wingback with some pace and confidence to actually run behind. From the left Alonso is a passive, reactionary player who rarely does anything incisive to actually change the game. He's a very safe player. Ball goes to him in space and it will be an a) overhit cross or b ) a pass inside usually slowing an attacking move down as he doesn't have the pace, skill or technique to take on a player. I can't think of a single chance he's created this season. 

The guy struggles under pressure too. One on one he tends to panic and lose duels, and at least it's widely accepted how poor he is defensively. As I said he's a reactionary player. A decent cog in a good side. When we play well he's not a hinderance but when we don't play well he'll do nowt to change our course of play (other than hitting a free kick). He and Moses in our team is akin to Spurs playing Trippier and Davies when they had Walker and Rose out. Shame we couldn't get our own 'Rose' by missing out on Sandro. 

He's not an awful player, he'd be perfect as a squad player. But for some reason there's a lot of hyperbolising that goes on with Alonso. How he's one of the best LBs in Europe or close in level to Alex Sandro or how utterly fantastic he is going forward. Irony is I view him and Moses at a similar level (good cogs, reactionary, but improvements needed if we truly want to be amongst Europe's elite) yet I feel that view is seen as acceptable for Moses, yet for Alonso it's controversial. Expect people to disagree with me but hey I say how I see it.

 

[Jase 43,479]

It's the obvious and I know he has been here for over a season now but felt like my eyes were bleeding watching Alonso's snail-esque pace today. Unless he's played into space going forward, he's somewhat useless because he rarely wins 1 v 1 and doesn't have pace and watching him go the other way was bad, really bad.

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He's superb technique is underrated around here, and in the league, which is unsurprising tbh. The pl values pace and power over technique, but Europe is a different story, not to mention what city is turning into. 

Yes he's a bit slow for a wb and perhaps not a great defender for an lb, but he has very strong attributes in other important areas, which haven't changed really.

my point being is that we signed Alonso for what he is and reckon we got even more than what we expected, esp considering his direct influence with key goals and assists.

he was a bit reckless in his tackles today at stoke and was happy conte noticed and acted on it. He's wasn't bad though with good passing, sometimes one-touch passes that only few in the squad are comfortable doing.

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6 hours ago, ja1 said:

One of the most overrated players in recent Chelsea history.

Even though he had a bad game, he is definitely underrated instead of overrated. He never has really got the credit  he deserves despite what he contributed for us last season. 7 goals. He normally is a solid performer who comes up with extraordinary with his long-range free kicks or in general just scoring goals. He has his flaws in terms of not being the fastest and sometimes being exposed one on one but he is hugely underrated. One game does a lot to change a lot of fickle minds. Morata was getting it himself after one glorified friendly against Arsenal. Alonso gets it today.

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He just looked irritable all game. It's almost as if he could physically feel Kennedy's breathe on his neck! 

 

In all seriousness, don't think Kennedy has much of a chance getting into the XI, but Azpi certainly looked comfortable at WB in defense and even in attack..

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14 hours ago, Polo7 said:

No he isnt. Attacking wise he is one of the best in the league. Its his defensive side that lets him down. 

The guy on his own won us the Spurs game. The fuck you smoking.

He really is not. He has a great sense of when to get into the box to try to score and he takes a mean FK. But while those attributes are clearly important they are not the attacking contribution you expect from your fullback. 

He does also have good technique and his passing range is decent. On the other hand, he is very slow, can't really dribble and his crossing is well below average. 

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heh.. Think his passing range is a bit better than decent (as he finds moses often), and while he does not have the pace to consistently beat players, he can and has dribbled in very tight spaces. Excellent in the air, and really good first touch (technique again). Still think personal preferences work a bit against him, because folks may prefer a pacier wingback...

Don't usually like these videos, but think this one showcases his qualities quite well: