termninja 5,290 Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Anton thought that Terry said black cunt so he said to Terry black cunt. Terry thought he heard Anton tell him black cunt because Anton thought Terry called him black cunt so Terry told him that he didn't call him black cunt, but Anton didn't believe Terry didn't call him black cunt so he still thought Terry called him a black cunt and got angry. Terry was angry also...in the end god knows what really happened and Liverpool is shit.So far so good for John. Santiago. and silviupastean 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheva. 5,373 Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Paul Waugh @paulwaughQC tday asked John Terry how many times he'd been sent off. "Can you say, please? Four times?" JT answered: "Please, please, please, please""I wasn't making up John Terry's '4 pleases' gaffe btw. The court fell about laughing" Ashblues, Laylabelle and Fulham Broadway 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kez 2,727 Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Paul Waugh @paulwaughQC tday asked John Terry how many times he'd been sent off. "Can you say, please? Four times?" JT answered: "Please, please, please, please""I wasn't making up John Terry's '4 pleases' gaffe btw. The court fell about laughing"Lmao!This whole thing is a fucking farce. JT will be found not guilty. Everyone will look a fool. The biggest fool being Anton. JT should get his captaincy back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulham Broadway 17,314 Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 it is a fucking farce"Defence now reading statement from British-Pakistani Muslim businessman Terry hired cars from: "I feel adamantly Mr Terry's not a racist".Its being used as a moral message to the nation -and the Ferdinand brothers deserve a good kicking for shit stirring Muzchap 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xPetrCechx 13,571 Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Can someone sum up for me what happened today? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xPetrCechx 13,571 Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Former Chelsea manager Jose Mourinho provided a written character witness statement."I am certain that John Terry is not a racist."http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9392669/Jose-Mourinho-I-am-certain-John-Terry-is-not-a-racist.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magicrico 175 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Just Reading the live updates here: http://live-blog.sport.uk.msn.com/Event/John_Terry_race_trialthe words 'and' and 'fucking' ? Can someone explain this to me, confused?It's applarently said "you f****** b**** C***?" whats with the 'and'?If he was repeating it then there isn't anything wrong with the f****** part if thats what he heard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif 6,006 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 I'm sorry, but John Terry's lawyer isn't as good as I expected.He keeps on fking up. "Prosecutor says there's 'profound irony' that mag (?) is asked to discount lip reader evidence then rely on Cole saying he 'saw' what Ferdinand said. Prosecution lip readers watched television reply. Cole 'saw' what Ferdinand said from 25 yards away in a game." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superblue 6,372 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 I'm sorry, but John Terry's lawyer isn't as good as I expected.He keeps on fking up. "Prosecutor says there's 'profound irony' that mag (?) is asked to discount lip reader evidence then rely on Cole saying he 'saw' what Ferdinand said. Prosecution lip readers watched television reply. Cole 'saw' what Ferdinand said from 25 yards away in a game."Not really. If they rely on the lip reader then they also have to consider cole's evidence. If they discard the lip reading, then it helps terry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 If they discard Cole's testimony because lipreading is inaccurate the Terry should not even be in court. Muzchap and Jype 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superblue 6,372 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 If they discard Cole's testimony because lipreading is inaccurate the Terry should not even be in court.Exactly terry's defence have put the court in a position where they cannot show double standards on the accuracy and validity of the evidences provided. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kezza 1,965 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Dan Levene @BluesChronicle District Judge Howard Riddle a highly experienced lawyer, who sits without a jury. He decides outcome. Normal in London magistrates courts.Shit... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kezza 1,965 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Dan Levene @BluesChronicle Judge adjourns court until 2pm tomorrow, to reach a verdict. Says not to read anything into long adjournment, as he has other things to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HNKS 508 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Other players have been giving Terry grief over the affair scandal and about his mum for years. Terry is the kind of player who can laugh it off and continue performing week in week out. What a legend! Fucking love you TERRY!!! CAPTAIN! Melanicus, BlueSanti and Kezza 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xPetrCechx 13,571 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Dan Levene @BluesChronicleJudge adjourns court until 2pm tomorrow, to reach a verdict. Says not to read anything into long adjournment, as he has other things to do.So, Tomorrow we will know the verdict at 2pm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kezza 1,965 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 So, Tomorrow we will know the verdict at 2pm?Yup! Tomorrow's the day! I'm confident it's gonna end good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzchap 8,966 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Even if he loses - It will be appealed almost instantly.To those saying Terry's lawyer isn't smart! You need to understand the game being played - it's very smart! CHOULO19 sums it up perfectly...The whole case is based on 'admissable' evidence, the only current evidence against Terry is via 'lip reading'.Anton Ferdinand has also admitted, he didn't know it was racial abuse until pointed out on a 'video' - so the video is the key point.If 'lip-reading' is deemed as it should be IMHO an 'unreliable science' - then both Anton Ferdinands accusation and Ashley Coles Testimony are invalid - leaving 'no case to answer'...As with all UK trials, you have to be convicted 'beyond reasonable doubt' - that video clearly shows that there is 'reasonable doubt' as some parts are blocked from view, so it's only speculation what happened there and impossible to prove, that alone should have been the basis for a non-trial, but the media hype has forced the CPS to make a 'show' of it.In all honesty, if this gets thrown out - Kier Stamma (sp) needs to be removed from office - he's apparently the head of the CPS and is a complete and utter idiot. This country wastes countless money on stupid trivial court proceedings, where the money would be better spent getting rid of people like Abu Hamsa, and deporting people (against EU Law) who don't deserve to be in the UK. I'm not against immigration, far from it - I'm an migrant worker in Salzburg, Austria - I get healthcare provided I work, I won't get any unemployment benefit if I lose my job and I'm not entitled to social housing. If Austria can do this, why can't the UK?Anyway, back on topic.... I really can't see this turning into a prosecution - although I should imagine EVERYBODY in the CPS is piling pressure on the Judge - to avoid the humiliation of losing.Take 2 normal people - non-celeb and this would have been dismissed. That's the only 'lottery' element - the perceived 'celeb' status...So taking it on 'Law' alone - Terry should be found innocent (even if he is guilty) as the only 'proof of offense' is based upon 'unreliable lip reading science'.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bir_CFC 3,455 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Even if he loses - It will be appealed almost instantly.To those saying Terry's lawyer isn't smart! You need to understand the game being played - it's very smart! CHOULO19 sums it up perfectly...The whole case is based on 'admissable' evidence, the only current evidence against Terry is via 'lip reading'.Anton Ferdinand has also admitted, he didn't know it was racial abuse until pointed out on a 'video' - so the video is the key point.If 'lip-reading' is deemed as it should be IMHO an 'unreliable science' - then both Anton Ferdinands accusation and Ashley Coles Testimony are invalid - leaving 'no case to answer'...As with all UK trials, you have to be convicted 'beyond reasonable doubt' - that video clearly shows that there is 'reasonable doubt' as some parts are blocked from view, so it's only speculation what happened there and impossible to prove, that alone should have been the basis for a non-trial, but the media hype has forced the CPS to make a 'show' of it.In all honesty, if this gets thrown out - Kier Stamma (sp) needs to be removed from office - he's apparently the head of the CPS and is a complete and utter idiot. This country wastes countless money on stupid trivial court proceedings, where the money would be better spent getting rid of people like Abu Hamsa, and deporting people (against EU Law) who don't deserve to be in the UK. I'm not against immigration, far from it - I'm an migrant worker in Salzburg, Austria - I get healthcare provided I work, I won't get any unemployment benefit if I lose my job and I'm not entitled to social housing. If Austria can do this, why can't the UK?Anyway, back on topic.... I really can't see this turning into a prosecution - although I should imagine EVERYBODY in the CPS is piling pressure on the Judge - to avoid the humiliation of losing.Take 2 normal people - non-celeb and this would have been dismissed. That's the only 'lottery' element - the perceived 'celeb' status...So taking it on 'Law' alone - Terry should be found innocent (even if he is guilty) as the only 'proof of offense' is based upon 'unreliable lip reading science'....Lip reading isn't the only evidence. The second evidence, the indisputable one is that Terry has admitted to saying "Fuck off, fuck off, yeah yeah, you black cunt? You knob head"So even if the video and lip reading is complete dismissed, you still have Terry's confession of saying that quote. The question then becomes what context it was said in.Terry has never denied he didn't utter "black cunt" The case is simply regarding the context it was uttered in. Was it simply Terry repeating Anton or was Terry in fact the first one to say it. That's the case.I thought he was guilty until Cole said he "saw" Anton say "black cunt". So if you dismiss lip reading, which I'm fine with, you can dismiss Cole's testimony. If you do that, I think he's guilty but even then not sure there is enough to convict him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Armour 4,439 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Lip reading isn't the only evidence. The second evidence, the indisputable one is that Terry has admitted to saying "Fuck off, fuck off, yeah yeah, you black cunt? You knob head"So even if the video and lip reading is complete dismissed, you still have Terry's confession of saying that quote. The question then becomes what context it was said in.Terry has never denied he didn't utter "black cunt" The case is simply regarding the context it was uttered in. Was it simply Terry repeating Anton or was Terry in fact the first one to say it. That's the case.I thought he was guilty until Cole said he "saw" Anton say "black cunt". So if you dismiss lip reading, which I'm fine with, you can dismiss Cole's testimony. If you do that, I think he's guilty but even then not sure there is enough to convict him.But isn't the context in which he said "black cunt" the issue here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bir_CFC 3,455 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 But isn't the context in which he said "black cunt" the issue here?Yeah exactly. That's what my point is.If I look at it logically and use common sense I am pretty confident he's guilty. However, I'm not sure if there is enough evidence to prove that beyond a reasonable doubt in court. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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