The Conte Thread

[Tomo 21,751]

5 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

You dont know what has happened behind the scenes. So he has bought for 200M, but he has also made them come second, instantly made an impact. YEs he might moan but also delivers.

Well given his grievances at Juve and Chelsea were apparently signing players he didn't want (even though he's wants to reunite with the final two signings made in his tenure here) what's he got to be so outraged about? He's practically playing supermarket sweep at Inter, got the striker he loves, got Alexis 3rd time of asking, got Godin, got the best attainable wingback etc al.

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Just now, Jason said:

Reasons? What reasons does he have to be moaning almost every week? He's been backed to the hill by Inter with the transfers and yet, he is still moaning. If he's unhappy with the board, go speak with them behind closed doors and if he's still unhappy, then just quit. Constantly throwing his toys out of the pram like a baby in the public just makes him look bad and is not going to help his future job prospects at a big club. 

Yeah I can agree with that one, sometimes he needs to keep it in-house

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20 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

You dont know what has happened behind the scenes. So he has bought for 200M, but he has also made them come second, instantly made an impact. YEs he might moan but also delivers.

Inter may have been happy to finish 2nd but Conte himself doesn't care about 2nd. He only wants 1st. Otherwise, he'll just moan. He's basically a short term manager. 

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1 minute ago, Tomo said:

Well given his grievances at Juve and Chelsea were apparently signing players he didn't want (even though he's wants to reunite with the final two signings made in his tenure here) what's he got to be so outraged about? He's practically playing supermarket sweep at Inter, got the striker he loves, got Alexis 3rd time of asking, got Godin, got the best attainable wingback etc al.

Thats true but this is Inter, not a very good squad to start with, he was backed and delivered imo. He has revitalised them, If he could just not be so vocal all the time he would rule Italy. Class manager.

[Atomiswave 6,119]

Just now, Jason said:

Inter may have been happy to finish 2nd after missing out on the Top 4 last season but Conte himself doesn't care about 2nd. He only wants 1st. Otherwise, he'll just moan. 

Well as I said he is a born winner and he will do all to reach it. SOmetimes to his own detriment.

[Jase 43,479]

The silly or frustrating thing with Conte is that he has shown he can coach and has proven it. He can improve players, make teams play better and even punch about their weight. But some times, he just goes and does/says things that you make you go 'What the hell?!'. If he focuses more on the coaching than the incessant moaning, he would actually be very enticing for the big clubs. But that is unlikely ever gonna be the case if he keeps his volatile management style going.

[killer1257 3,282]

Inter may have been happy to finish 2nd after missing out on the Top 4 last season but Conte himself doesn't care about 2nd. He only wants 1st. Otherwise, he'll just moan. He's basically a short term manager. 

I can't criticize him for wanting to win titles. He just is a winner. Everything else is a failure. Messi and Ronaldo think the same. Without that mentality, Conte would not have made it in world football

 

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1 minute ago, killer1257 said:

I can't criticize him for wanting to win titles. He just is a winner. Everything else is a failure. Messi and Ronaldo think the same. Without that mentality, Conte would not have made it in world football

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Am sure every other top managers and players are winners as well but there are ways to go about it, even when when you don't win, and Conte's way is definitely not one of them. 

[killer1257 3,282]

We weren't pissed off with him because he criticised the board,we were pissed off with him because he refused to do his job properly and get the absolute best out of what he's got and what's even more hilarious is the January window that caused him to jack it in, he now wants to reunite with 2/3 signings from that month
Furthermore Conte also had access to the youth players Frank did, if he was that upset at the prospect of signing Morata, Bakayoko and Zappacosta, Tammy, Mount/RLC and James were available for him to use instead until a player of his choosing could be had.

Conte clearly overachieved at Chelsea. Winning a title with Moses and Alonso as starters is an insane achievement. He came here and wanted to play with a back 4,but he saw that our players do not have enough football IQ to play a back 4,so he switched it to a back 3/5 depending whether going forward or staying at the back.

About youth. I am a youth fan just like you. In my opinion, Ruben is not suited in a 2 man midfield and never will. I can't really say that was Conte's fault. He tried Ruben as a striker instead.
About Mount. He sold Oscar and I do not see why he should then give Mount a chance when they are so similar.
He should have given Boga more chances, but when Boga got a chance, Cahill got sent off and Boga was then off lol. Could've given him more chances though.
If I remember it right, Tammy was loaned out and he played for Swansea

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[Tomo 21,751]

9 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

 

Conte clearly overachieved at Chelsea. Winning a title with Moses and Alonso as starters is an insane achievement. He came here and wanted to play with a back 4,but he saw that our players do not have enough football IQ to play a back 4,so he switched it to a back 3/5 depending whether going forward or staying at the back.

About youth. I am a youth fan just like you. In my opinion, Ruben is not suited in a 2 man midfield and never will. I can't really say that was Conte's fault. He tried Ruben as a striker instead.
About Mount. He sold Oscar and I do not see why he should then give Mount a chance when they are so similar.
He should have given Boga more chances, but when Boga got a chance, Cahill got sent off and Boga was then off lol. Could've given him more chances though.
If I remember it right, Tammy was loaned out and he played for Swansea

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The work he did in the title season was fantastic, which if anything makes his later behaviour worse. 

And what i was saying isn't really about being a youth fan per se, it's more to the fact that surely promoting them to a squad role was better than signing players you don't want? (that's assuming he didn't want them which Drinkwater aside is giving him the benefit of extreme doubt). Even Jose that season promoted McTominay at United to fill a hole, there's no way our guys couldn't have furfilled a similar requirement if it truly came to it.

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[Fernando 6,592]

Crazy, 

Conte come back for a second season ala Mournho, you fit right in. Chelsea FC Hollywood

[NikkiCFC 8,369]

It would be so unfair to let him go. Alegri would come and win title next year and people would praise him but in reality Conte build this team. And I think Conte would win title next season also.

Same happened in Juve... Well, both won titles but just look at the squad, Alegri had much better team and this is why he had better CL record (two finals).

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1 hour ago, NikkiCFC said:

It would be so unfair to let him go. Alegri would come and win title next year and people would praise him but in reality Conte build this team. And I think Conte would win title next season also.

You said it as if Inter want to sack Conte when in reality, it looks as if Conte is trying to get himself sack with his constant moaning. 

1 hour ago, NikkiCFC said:

Same happened in Juve... Well, both won titles but just look at the squad, Alegri had much better team and this is why he had better CL record (two finals).

Okay Allegri had some signings in his first season, notably Morata, Coman and Evra but regardless, he still managed to take Juventus to the final at the first time of asking and then another later.

Conte doesn't have the greatest of records in Europe anyway.

2012/13 - Got to the UCL QFs (lost to eventual champions Bayern)

2013/14 - Got KOed in the UCL Group Stage (lost in the Europa League semi-final to Benfica)

2017/18 - Got KOed in the UCL R16 

2019/20 - Got KOed in the UCL Group Stage (included a 3-2 lost at Dortmund after going 2-0 up and a 1-1 home draw against Slavia Prague)

There also have been dodgy results along the way. 

[Vesper 30,276]

Antonio Conte’s masterclass in tactics, tone and execution

https://theathletic.com/2004691/2020/08/18/conte-first-european-final-inter-sevilla-europa-league/

Of all the medals in Antonio Conte’s collection, the oldest and perhaps most in need of a polish is from the 1993 UEFA Cup final.

It was the first professional trophy he ever laid his hands on. The Juventus midfielder was 22 and serving a ban when the second leg kicked off at the Stadio delle Alpi, but the hard work had been done in Germany a fortnight before. In the first leg, he had hared around the middle of the park to help Juventus come back from 1-0 down and enter folklore as the first foreign side to win at the Westfalenstadion in almost three decades. Roberto and Dino Baggio’s away goals made any Dortmund turnaround distinctly unlikely, so rather than go in the stands with the executives, the banned Conte watched the game in the curva with the ultras instead.

In the dugout for Juventus that night was Giovanni Trapattoni, back at the club for a second spell after five years calling the shots at rivals Inter. It was his success on either side of Serie A’s most bitter rivalry that gave Juve hero Conte a pass with fans when it emerged Inter were determined to appoint him last summer. As with Trapattoni, the blue-and-black half of San Siro entered into a pact with these icons of the old enemy’s dominance, on the condition they restored the club to its place at the top of the game. Trapattoni and the Germans he assembled, Lothar Matthaus and Andreas Brehme, set a record points total on the way to winning the league title in 1989 and then added the UEFA Cup in 1991. It was the first of three Inter won that decade as they reached the final four times.

Now it’s Conte’s turn.

Monday’s stunning 5-0 shellacking of Shakhtar Donetsk — the biggest winning margin by a Serie A side in a European semi-final since Arrigo Sacchi’s AC Milan discombobulated Real Madrid 31 years ago — will go down as one of the signature games in Conte’s coaching opus. It was a masterclass in tactics, tone and execution. It also represented meaningful progress on nine months ago, when Inter dazzled in Barcelona and Borussia Dortmund only to fade in the second half, returning home with nothing but regret and rancour amid Conte’s bellyaching over a lack of depth.

The team picked up from where they had left off against Bayer Leverkusen last week, a marginal 2-1 win that felt like a rout. This time, the scoreline better reflected Inter’s dominance and confidence. Here was a group of players playing their 53rd game of the season as if it were their first under Conte. To watch Monday night’s semi-final was to experience again the same hope and enthusiasm generated on the opening night of his opera at La Scala del Calcio last August — a 4-0 trouncing of Lecce — when anything seemed possible.

Confidence is percolating right now like a spitting, whistling moka pot. Inter have won six games on the bounce. If it wasn’t for that Kai Havertz goal for Leverkusen, which came against the run of play, they would have seven consecutive clean sheets. Romelu Lukaku has found the back of the net in each of his last 10 Europa League appearances and is a goal away from matching the great Ronaldo in having the most prolific first season of any player in Inter’s illustrious history. Watching him and his strike partner Lautaro Martinez each score a brace in the same game for the first time since October when the “LuLa” combo really began to spark served to electrify the atmosphere over Dusseldorf and made every hair on the back of Interistas’ necks stand up.

The storm caused by Conte’s coruscating comments after the Atalanta game a fortnight ago appears to have passed. “By now it’s all forgotten,” said Inter’s chief executive Giuseppe Marotta shortly before kick-off on Monday. A reason for that is Conte has already obtained one of the things he dearly wanted. Steven Zhang, the club’s 29-year-old president, flew in from China last week for the first time since the pandemic hit. His absence had been flagged by Conte as an issue. Having the boss around keeps everyone, not just the players, on their toes. It’s one of those intangibles Juventus draw strength from in the regular presence of Andrea Agnelli and, crucially, also means the coach has direct access to the club’s principal, allowing him to share what’s on his mind and affect the change he wants to see.

 

Publicly Conte has cut an altogether different figure from the irascible malcontent we saw at the end of the Serie A season. “I am not a ‘political’ person,” he said, as honest and unrepentant as ever on Monday night. “It can happen that I say what’s on my mind.” But the tactfulness with which he has walked back from overstepping the line has been appreciated.

Conte seems more serene. Perhaps it can be ascribed to getting out of Milan, away from the insufferable tension of the Italian game or maybe we should put it down to Conte knowing he has only strengthened his hand in the interim. The smiles are coming easier, his pale blue eyes are glinting again and the video of him joining in the team’s rondos has successfully left the impression Conte is enjoying his work more than ever.

“It’s good to see,” Ashley Young said. “It’s nice when we keep him in the middle, keep him running about, so then he doesn’t shout as much after training.”

Young has formed part of a Europa League-winning squad before and he’s one of the few players in the team, along with Victor Moses and Diego Godin, to be able to count on experience at this stage of continental competition.

A lot of Conte’s pride in the afterglow of Monday’s “manita” came from the knowledge that this is new territory and therefore a breakthrough for much of the squad. The Italians on the team, some younger than others (Nicolo Barella is 23 and Alessandro Bastoni is 21), remind Conte of the kid he was in 1993. Roberto Gagliardini and Martinez weren’t first-team regulars last season and 10 of the 16 players used in Dusseldorf have either joined in the last year, returned from loans elsewhere or, as with Sebastiano Esposito, risen through the academy.

For players such as the captain Samir Handanovic, Danilo D’Ambrosio and deep-lying playmaker Marcelo Brozovic, this is the kind of occasion they’ve been aiming towards for a long time. Inter’s last final of any sort was nine years ago — the swansong of the hallowed treble winners — and the lament after July’s undeserved exit at the semi-final stage of the Coppa Italia was tinged with the fear that such a restorative and promising season threatened to end like all the others since 2011.

Friday’s final against Sevilla changes that and makes the progress Conte has brought about over the last 14 months more tangible than it otherwise might have been. He deserves kudos for that alone and for ending Serie A’s 21-year wait for a finalist in this competition — an aeon for a league whose teams reached nine finals in the 1990s, four of which were all-Italian affairs.

Conte managed to play in a couple of them. Now he gets to coach one. He has come full circle.

[Atomiswave 6,119]

Conte is so good, if he could iron out the moaning or just slightly then he could win it all with some backing. Inter were dead for so many years, in he comes and they are beaming with confidence.

[Fernando 6,592]

Yup i agree, I thought he was the best since Mourinho mark 1. 

I wanted him to continue and the club back him, but whatever. His attitude screw it up with us. 

 

[Jase 43,479]

He's gonna run out of top club options soon enough...

 

[Tomo 21,751]

Has no one to blame but himself, although it won't be for the want of trying.

[killer1257 3,282]

He's gonna run out of top club options soon enough...
 

So emerson would stay with us because I do not think they will buy him if Conte leaves.

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