The Conte Thread

[Dahnald 256]

I really question him sometimes. 

 

Never won a knock out tournament. 

[Johnnyeye 7,510]

13 minutes ago, Hybrid Angel said:

 

Good. I understand that everyone's angry including myself but there's a genuine silver lining to take out of this fa cup final. When we last won the title in 2015, we all saw that the performances in the second half of the season weren't good enough. Even though we won the title, the success itself was in some form papered over some of the cracks in the squad. The issues were not handled in the transfer window as we suffered from a huge case of complacency. Sure we should have performed better the following season with the squad we had, but the lack of activity in the transfer window played a huge part as well.

When we lost 3-0 to Arsenal earlier on in the season, we made a huge change in terms of system, starting players and their positions, changes that sparked a 13-game winning streak and eventually lead to this incredible season. League winners and cup runners-up, we must not forget that we were all merely hoping for a top four finish.

I think this season, THE major key to our success has been the consistency against smaller teams. The performances in the big games have not been good enough and this is even more indication of this season being a clear case of a managerial masterclass by Conte. Sure, we've had great individual performances by every player throughout the season, but we can all agree that there are some positions that could clearly take upgrading during the transfer window. A common theme has been against top oppositions who heavily press us, we simply cannot cope with the pressure and that has a lot to do with some of the personnel. We need to remember, top teams in Europe won't respect us and will be pressing us the entire match. The way we perform against those sort of teams right now will lead us to constantly sit back and look for scraps upfront. Alonso might be a fine option against smaller teams, but he simply can't get out of pressure simply because he isn't slow and agile enough. The same applies to Matic. These two players lack a lot of self awareness when it comes to receiving passes and playing with the ball which leads to the loss of possession. Kante is the same, but at least he's agile enough to help himself sometimes.

What we can take out of this defeat is that now maybe the board will try to be the least complacent they can in the transfer window. Just like how the defeat against Arsenal at the Emirates lead to the change in system, maybe this defeat will cause our board to listen to the demands of the manager and spend in the summer, and spend big because our rivals aren't fucking around.

TL;DR: Hopefully this defeat will give a wake up call to the board and reminds them to spend in a transfer window where our rivals, especially the Manchester clubs, will be severely strengthening their squads.

great post, spot on mate

[Johnnyeye 7,510]

9 minutes ago, Dahnald said:

I really question him sometimes. 

 

Never won a knock out tournament. 

chill mate, these things can happen, im upset too, but be happy we won the league and made it to the FA Cup final, when no one gave us a chance at the start of the season. this summer is going to be interesting in terms of transfers. Cheers

[Johnnyeye 7,510]

17 minutes ago, Jason said:

It's easy to say now Conte should have played Player X and Player Y but the big problem was we just didn't turn up today. The desire, commitment and that winning mentality weren't there. Even if Fabregas had started, there's no guarantee we wouldn't have played the way we did and it's not like we haven't played that diabolical before with Fabregas in the XI.

im not saying it would have worked but we had no control in midfield in the 1st half and no tempo of the game, something Cesc clearly offers and Matic doesnt, these are areas we need to adress in the summer, and also like many have mentioned here we dont cope too well with pressing teams, that needs to change. Cheers

[Jase 43,479]

3 minutes ago, Johnnyeye said:

im not saying it would have worked but we had no control in midfield in the 1st half and no tempo of the game, something Cesc clearly offers and Matic doesnt, these are areas we need to adress in the summer, and also like many have mentioned here we dont cope too well with pressing teams, that needs to change. Cheers

Would rather question Conte's decision not to start with 3-5-2 to begin with rather than why he started Matic ahead of Fabregas. A 3-man midfield would have given us better control of midfield against Arsenal's 2/4-man midfield.

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

How the fuck are people still debating if starting Cesc would have been worse or better than starting Matic. This is not even up for debate. Did Matic provide any protection for our centre-backs, no. Did he stop any Arsenal player from playing, no. Did he do anything useful with the ball, no. Did he help with our ball circulation, find the free-man quickly with diagonal passes, make any incisive pass or one-touch/quick decisions with his passing, no. At least we know if Fabregas offers nothing defensively, he can hurt teams with his passing. Also, he opens up spaces for Hazard and Pedro. 

Quit being contrarion for the sake of being that @Jason, it's just silly. Conte knew he made a big mistake and cost us the 1st half and the momentum of the game. That's why the fraud Matic, at the time predictably the worst midfielder on the pitch, was the first one subbed after 60 mins (which is early for Conte). Conte basically admitted after the game that our start cost us the game

[Jase 43,479]

1 minute ago, MrExcalibur100 said:

Quit being contrarion for the sake of being that @Jason, it's just silly. Conte knew he made a big mistake and cost us the 1st half and the momentum of the game. That's why the fraud Matic, at the time predictably the worst midfielder on the pitch, was the first one subbed after 60 mins (which is early for Conte). Conte basically admitted after the game that our start cost us the game

So because I don't share the same view as you, you think I'm playing devil's advocate for the sake of it? Okay, mate...

You should probably read my posts carefully before you go rampaging all over Matic. At no point I said Conte made the right decision to start Matic ahead of Fabregas. Our attitude was shit from the first second. Could have played Fabregas, Willian, Batshuayi or whoever else and it wouldn't have mattered much because we couldn't give a f*** about the game!

[Tautvix 1,321]

Thanks Antonio for winning the league this season but we need to improve next season.

I think it's the 5th game this season when we didn't stand any chance to win the game (Liverpool at home, Arsenal away, Tottenham away, Man Utd away, Arsenal today). Let's be honest, we were blown away by Arsenal today... The game should have been ended after 1st half. They were stronger, faster, better. I agree with some people here that we need to change approach in big games next season. We cannot continue like that. Maybe 3-5-2 is the way, I think Juve is doing that well. Also, hopefully today's game opened eyes for Abramovich because we need to spend big. But even if I want to be positive I am worried that Conte won't get players he wants... It happened before.

Just want to finish on the positive note. CHAMPIONS OF ENGLAND, WE KNOW WHAT WE ARE! 

[xPetrCechx 13,573]

1. Mourinho, Guardiola, Puccettino , Koeman, Pulis, Howe, Hughes, Allardyce, Mazzarri and Dyche: better Premierleague coaches than Antonio Conte.
2. Change of a system, good squad, a captain who was benched and didn't made trouble, lack of  games in Europe, zero significant injuries, opponents who did not connect in time, a connection with the crowd: the reasons why Conte played a card and Chelsea won the championship.
3. Stuck on with one method, not strong in the transfer window, weak in knockout games, not in control of the game, no subs in time, if any at all: the reasons why Chelsea will fail next season -  all of that ,I'm not saying for the first time. I said it On the day we won the championship. The same will happen as with Di matteo.

(From my friend, A chelsea Fan).
 

[pHaRaOn 2,131]

31 minutes ago, xPetrCechx said:

1. Mourinho, Guardiola, Puccettino , Koeman, Pulis, Howe, Hughes, Allardyce, Mazzarri and Dyche: better Premierleague coaches than Antonio Conte.
2. Change of a system, good squad, a captain who was benched and didn't made trouble, lack of  games in Europe, zero significant injuries, opponents who did not connect in time, a connection with the crowd: the reasons why Conte played a card and Chelsea won the championship.
3. Stuck on with one method, not strong in the transfer window, weak in knockout games, not in control of the game, no subs in time, if any at all: the reasons why Chelsea will fail next season -  all of that ,I'm not saying for the first time. I said it On the day we won the championship. The same will happen as with Di matteo.

(From my friend, A chelsea Fan).
 

Nice trolling. He should link up with that Matic' guy.

[King11Didier 916]

Of course fans will be frustrated after being so close to a double this season and not getting it, but look, at the start of the season I'm sure we could only dream for winning the PL and reaching the FA final, I mean, no one expected it after that horrible past season and the appointment of the new manager. In that order, Conte deservers a lot of respect and even credits for his first season. From the interviews I can see that he is aware of that we need more depth in the squad and more quality, I just hope the board give him the opportunity to get his targets and build his team as he wants.
Next season will be even harder for him, as he put the bar so high, will have CL as another competition and people will have high expectations after his first season.

[xPetrCechx 13,573]

7 minutes ago, pHaRaOn said:

Nice trolling. He should link up with that Matic' guy.

You never know, everything can happen.

Conte Is Not A Cup (Domestic+CL) Games Manager. can't win the Italian cup + get to late CL stages, with juve. look what Allegri has done in the last 2-3 seasons there.

 

[Dahnald 256]

Devastated. 

Champions or not, this loss has left a very, very bad taste in my mouth. And that at our definite end of our season. Really sucks.

I don't blame Conte for starting Matic, I blame him for subbing way too late and not making any other changes. He cannot know beforehand that Matic was going to have a stinker of a match. Need to sell him this summer as he isn't becoming any better.

The red card Moses got was pathetic and to me, that guy gets way too much praise. All fun and games that he has shown some worth after those 2 pointless loanings at Pool and WHU, but he's not good enough and I hope he becomes a bench-client. If you enter the Champions League with Moses as RWB: fuck off please.  

What hurts the most is losing to a dinosaur like Wenger and Arsenal in general and those filthy gooners who wanted Wenger out with all the protests and stuff, and now celebrate this FA Cup win. Wenger literally copied our system and he school Conte today. That's shocking and says a lot about Conte as well. Even though our players didn't show up. They had TURTLESACKER AND ROB FUCKIN' HOLDING in defense. Insane stuff. The referee should ref in the National League as that decision to give Arsenal the 1-0 was insane. INSANE. I still cannot believe how someone from this level of refereeing give a goal like that. Handball AND offside. No words.

Conte is a good trainer but not the best. He has poor cup/knock-out record and I was always Conte>Allegri but I'm starting to have my doubts on that one as the latter has a much better record at Juventus. 

If he's a "league-merchant" like Blanc was at PSG, he won't be around here very long.

 

I'm taking a break from all things footy as well because it gets a hold of me too much. Can't help it. Also not interested in silly season. If I pick up noises that our board is fucking over Conte again, we should just all quit. Not only him. 

[Jase 43,479]

 

[Jase 43,479]

37 minutes ago, xPetrCechx said:

You never know, everything can happen.

Conte Is Not A Cup (Domestic+CL) Games Manager. can't win the Italian cup + get to late CL stages, with juve. look what Allegri has done in the last 2-3 seasons there.

Conte's cup record is questionable but just in his defence, (1) Allegri has been given far more backing in the transfer market than Conte ever was to build a squad capable of dominating domestically and challenging for Europe, (2) Conte lost to good sides in his last 4 cup competitions (including 2 in the final) which can happen and (3) can't definitively say he's poor in the Champions League just yet because he got KOed by an unstoppable Bayern Munich in one of the seasons. The other one was a failure yes but sample size still too small.

[Fernando 6,585]

32 minutes ago, Dahnald said:

Devastated. 

Champions or not, this loss has left a very, very bad taste in my mouth. And that at our definite end of our season. Really sucks.

I don't blame Conte for starting Matic, I blame him for subbing way too late and not making any other changes. He cannot know beforehand that Matic was going to have a stinker of a match. Need to sell him this summer as he isn't becoming any better.

The red card Moses got was pathetic and to me, that guy gets way too much praise. All fun and games that he has shown some worth after those 2 pointless loanings at Pool and WHU, but he's not good enough and I hope he becomes a bench-client. If you enter the Champions League with Moses as RWB: fuck off please.  

What hurts the most is losing to a dinosaur like Wenger and Arsenal in general and those filthy gooners who wanted Wenger out with all the protests and stuff, and now celebrate this FA Cup win. Wenger literally copied our system and he school Conte today. That's shocking and says a lot about Conte as well. Even though our players didn't show up. They had TURTLESACKER AND ROB FUCKIN' HOLDING in defense. Insane stuff. The referee should ref in the National League as that decision to give Arsenal the 1-0 was insane. INSANE. I still cannot believe how someone from this level of refereeing give a goal like that. Handball AND offside. No words.

Conte is a good trainer but not the best. He has poor cup/knock-out record and I was always Conte>Allegri but I'm starting to have my doubts on that one as the latter has a much better record at Juventus. 

If he's a "league-merchant" like Blanc was at PSG, he won't be around here very long.

 

I'm taking a break from all things footy as well because it gets a hold of me too much. Can't help it. Also not interested in silly season. If I pick up noises that our board is fucking over Conte again, we should just all quit. Not only him. 

If he wins the pl every season the next 4 and wins nothing else I bet you he will still be here. 

PL trumps everything else. 

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Maybe it was decision from Conte and players to lose intentionaly, so Arsenal keeps Wenger and Roman gives more money for new players 

[Jase 43,479]

 

[Fernando 6,585]

2 hours ago, Dahnald said:

I really question him sometimes. 

 

Never won a knock out tournament. 

Di Matteo won a knock out tournament. Benitez won a knock out tournament. Would you want them instead of Conte? 

Seriously men stop being such a fickle fan and be content we at least won the pl. That was something no one here thought was possible at the beginning and I'm sure including you. 

Plus cups usually the best never win, because it requires some luck. Look at our best Chelsea team and never won the CL, but our worst won it in the last attempt. 

[Fernando 6,585]

3 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

Great the best thing about the lost. Demand good quality buy in the summer and keep Wenger. 

Win win for all of us. 😅