The Mourinho Thread

[Tomo 21,685]

I think what has become apparent is we wont be getting instant success under Jose this time.

Well i say that, we might get instant success in terms of trophies, mainly because this season has a best of the bad bunch air about it, and that team could well turn out to be us, but playing in the dominant way we did under Jose last time will take a bit off time this time round.

Remember how bad Liverpool were under Rodgers this time last year? they were in the bottom half toe to toe with Norwich, now they are the in form team in the country, Mancini had an average year in 10/11 in build up to his title season in 11/12. We are playing like shit but still getting results and hanging in there, ask United fans, that formula usually ends well.

If the Guarin and Zouma rumours are true, that also shows that Jose has atleast identified the problem, and is trying to fix it, it's easy to say well he could have done that in the summer, but Mourinho was been manager off Real Madrid during our 3 years of struggles, so he didn't live with the problem week in, week out like we have. Now he has had 6 months off it, he is trying to sort it out.

We always ask Roman to be patient, yet we can't think past the middle of the next week, it's well within our capabilities to grind out 7-9 points in the next 3 games then go into January with new players. If we win at The Emirates we will either be top or joint top having played average on the most part, that is not to be sniffed at.

Changing manager's will just mean the same problem starts again, i will make a proper judgement when we get under way next campaign, after Jose has had 3 transfer window's and a whole season to sort thing's out. We have all the foundation's to become a top team again, as soon as the balance issue is sorted, we will be fine.

[Barbara 15,149]

Mourihino is the one that tells them to protect a 1-0 lead! not the players! with the players we have we should be out to go score 3-4 a game! like city

STOP SAYING BULLSHIT!

It's annoying as heck!

Are you deaf? The guy has been complaining about the same thing for a month!!!!!! That the team has a chance to score 2, 3, 4 goals and doesn't and he DOESN'T like it.

20th....

[The_Flash 1,144]

Jose WISHES more than anyone he had the likes of Aguero or Suarez to call upon, if we did we would be walking it, but we don't we have three terrible strikers and that is it, no matter which of the three he plays they are terrible. Last night the goal never looked like coming. Etoo was too busy giving the ball away and frankly falling over it, and Ba is too slow, it is a sorry state of affairs,and we have to remember Jose is a fan of our club, he has put alot on the line to come back here. It is heavy going

[lionsden 4,689]

One major factor that has been brushed under the carpet is Jose's terrible defensive record at real madrid. here's just data from games last season alone.

Tue 06/11/12 UCL Real Madrid 2 - 2 Borussia Dortmund View events Sat 08/12/12 PRD Real Valladolid 2 - 3 Real Madrid View events Sun 16/12/12 PRD Real Madrid 2 - 2 Espanyol View events More info Sat 22/12/12 PRD Málaga 3 - 2 Real Madrid View events More info Sun 06/01/13 PRD Real Madrid 4 - 3 Real Sociedad View events More info

Tue 09/04/13 UCL Galatasaray 3 - 2 Real Madrid View events More info Wed 24/04/13 UCL Borussia Dortmund 4 - 1

Sat 04/05/13 PRD Real Madrid 4 - 3 Real Valladolid View events More info Wed 08/05/13 PRD Real Madrid 6 - 2 Málaga View events More info More info More info Sun 26/05/13 PRD Real Sociedad 3 - 3 Real Madrid View events More info Sat 01/06/13 PRD Real Madrid 4 - 2 Osasuna View events More info Wed 24/07/13 CLF Olympique Lyonnais 2 - 2 Real Madrid More info More info

he had Ronaldo,who consistently bailed them out, to thank last season.

so his poor defensive record this season isn't anything new but people were blinded by their love for TSO that they simply dismissed his clear tactical flaws as a result of the poisonous madrid dressing room.

Majority of madrid fans were showing growing concerns and displeasure over average-poor performances and the team's inability to control games as they relied on counter attacking tactics which while it favored the pace of Ronaldo (their best player) is seen as a sign of inferiority. (does their outcry sound familiar or not)

Here's a thought, perhaps TSO isn't so special anymore and he's lost that mojo. dare I said it.

[hjperdeath 2,226]

One major factor that has been brushed under the carpet is Jose's terrible defensive record at real madrid. here's just data from games last season alone.

Tue 06/11/12 UCL Real Madrid 2 - 2 Borussia Dortmund View events Sat 08/12/12 PRD Real Valladolid 2 - 3 Real Madrid View events Sun 16/12/12 PRD Real Madrid 2 - 2 Espanyol View events More info Sat 22/12/12 PRD Málaga 3 - 2 Real Madrid View events More info Sun 06/01/13 PRD Real Madrid 4 - 3 Real Sociedad View events More info

Tue 09/04/13 UCL Galatasaray 3 - 2 Real Madrid View events More info Wed 24/04/13 UCL Borussia Dortmund 4 - 1

Sat 04/05/13 PRD Real Madrid 4 - 3 Real Valladolid View events More info Wed 08/05/13 PRD Real Madrid 6 - 2 Málaga View events More info More info More info Sun 26/05/13 PRD Real Sociedad 3 - 3 Real Madrid View events More info Sat 01/06/13 PRD Real Madrid 4 - 2 Osasuna View events More info Wed 24/07/13 CLF Olympique Lyonnais 2 - 2 Real Madrid More info More info

he had Ronaldo,who consistently bailed them out, to thank last season.

so his poor defensive record this season isn't anything new but people were blinded by their love for TSO that they simply dismissed his clear tactical flaws asa result of the poisonous madrid dressing room.

Here's a thought, perhaps TSO isn't so special anymore and he's lost that mojo. dare I said it.

yes he isn't. we need a better manager to save us from this crisis.

[Barbara 15,149]

I don't know if the club has the philosophy it does because of the fans or if the fans react like this because of the philosophy the club has...

No patience whatsoever, everything is solved with money, no immediate success = permanent failure, no trust in the manager to actually give him time to work, money, money, money, money. All we see around this forum is about money. If Roman leaves will half of the fans that post here too?

If the players don't turn up, money is the key, buy new ones. If the manager doesn't give you immediate success, money is the key, hire a new one. What if the support is crap? Can we buy new ones too?

There's a lot of good things said in criticizing and defending posts, I'm not generalizing all of you and your ideas, but it's just so weird to have everything revolving about money. I do agree we have pivot and striker issues that should have been addressed better, I do agree another CB squad member wouldn't hurt us. And I do agree Mourinho and the board could have done better in the transfer window... but teams in the league, around the world, work around deficiencies and we should do the same. I don't know if I should blame this FM game instead (never played, don't know how it works, but many posts here talking about it gives me the idea). All teams have problems, but when things are working, those problems are sort of covered. I'll once again talk about October. I don't know what happened ever since then, and I do hold Mourinho accountable for part of the problem. It's his players!!! If they don't do what he expects them to do, it's part of his job to find a way to fix it.

@The only place to be and others defend we use more youth - but young players are unstable and if people are treating Lamps so disrespectfully I can only imagine what they (not the ones defending it) would say about Chalobah, Ake, or whoever (in addition about Mourinho) when one of them makes a capital mistake that leads to a defeat or a draw. They'll be burned alive even more vehemently which is why I'm thankful they're in the youth. They don't need to be exposed to this...

Others believe we need to offload ALL experienced players (bar JT, I don't remember reading his name among the many lists I've come across since yesterday). Then who will provide the much needed experience to them? Who will lead them? Juan Mata, who can't be shier about leadership? Other shy kids like Oscar? Or quiet blokes like Willian? There needs to be some balance, this isn't a game you play on playstation... Mourinho has started sparing Lampard more often, but issue remains he had a plan: to have Marco learn from Lamps, and I'm sure he'd rotate them and have Mikel only for certain kind of matches. The kid got a season long injury...

I do think he's made a mistake with the strikers. I'm not even saying he should have kept Lukaku (it's a plan though), but we should have got someone else. Eto'o really can't help. I was willing to give him a chance, but he blew said chance. Or we should have gotten someone else.

But now, the shit is done, the players we have at least until January (and there's a chance we won't get any fix in the winter window) and we have to suck it up and try to support the team through the thin and thick. Yes, we should vent about things when they don't go well, but I feel a bit of overreaction, defending Mourinho and some players, as well as dismissing Mourinho and many players. I do think the generation that got to play so much FM gets a bit carried away about having a perfect team. Newsflash, that only exists in your console.

Way before the season started I said I didn't expect titles (or at least major ones), before we touched the ball in the first pre-season game, I said we'd be transitioning based on Mourinho's first press conference and also in the overall situation. I haven't changed my stand, obviously, but I won't deny I expected things to be better. Again, I don't get why we stopped the progress and regressed. We started shaky and unsure in August, Mourinho approached ManU and Spurs game way too cautiously, but around October the team had progressed compared to August, then November happened and we had some bad results... but December seems to be worse because of the defensive issues we didn't have until then. We keep missing a lot chances (I had to write the post-match report for Chelsea Brasil and we did create at least 3 clear chances of goal, 1 with Eto'o and two with Ba, we dominated the first minutes of extra time, we just didn't try hard enough, again the problem is attitude imo), our defense leaks more goals than relegation zone teams. Instead of progressing we're now regressing and I don't have a clue of why. I do know it's Mourinho's job to fix it, even if the problem is players not being interested, invested enough. They have to turn up and play with heart and clutch. And we need to get rid of all our strikers.

I may have offended some of you with the FM thing, but all those problems we do have don't justify this idea of building a perfect team because in real life said thing doesn't exist.

[lionsden 4,689]

yes he isn't. we need a better manager to save us from this crisis.

I presented facts which, predictably, you have failed to address as you obviously can't form any legit argument to defend his defensive record and performance for the past 18 months and counting.

And the claim that a once world class manager can lose their mojo isn't so outrageous at all as we have seen in the past. see Hiddink,Capello, Omar Hitzfield amongst others who simply couldn't replicate their earlier success and form into the latter stages of their career.

[bushman 2,043]

That´s all I have been waiting for, see above. Where have you been Barbara for so long ?

[hjperdeath 2,226]

I presented facts which, predictably, you have failed to address as you obviously can't form any legit argument to defend his defensive record and performance for the past 18 months and counting.

And the claim that a once world class manager can lose their mojo isn't so outrageous at all as we have seen in the past. see Hiddink,Capello, Omar Hitzfield amongst others who simply couldn't replicate their earlier success and form into the latter stages of their career.

What ? I'm agreeing with you. The Special One has lost his mojo in his first season at a new club trying to set in a new philosophy while being 6 months into a new job. Holy shit, bring back Di Matteo.

[Sheva. 5,373]

I just read Mourinho is now "considering" going back to defensive football - Lol.

Are we really playing any different than what we did under "defensive" Rafa last season? for sure we're scoring less goals, probably conceding more too.

[hjperdeath 2,226]

I may have offended some of you with the FM thing, but all those problems we do have don't justify this idea of building a perfect team because in real life said thing doesn't exist.

Oh you can insult them. That's what they deserve. Success has unfortunately spoilt us, no shame to admit they've spoilt me too. Expected way too much in his first season. I'll happily taken a barren season as long as there is progress, hough it seems to have gone the other way around as you mentioned. Hopefully things change soon.

[Tomo 21,685]

And the claim that a once world class manager can lose their mojo isn't so outrageous at all as we have seen in the past. see Hiddink,Capello, Omar Hitzfield amongst others who simply couldn't replicate their earlier success and form into the latter stages of their career.

Feel free to correct me in i am wrong, but im pretty sure Cappello won the league in his last three years as a club manager (international football is a completely different kettle of fish).

Unless you are thinking he lost his mojo during his time at Roma? it was a miracle he won one title at that club, it would be the equivalent of Everton winning the prem.

[lionsden 4,689]

I just read Mourinho is now "considering" going back to defensive football - Lol.

Are we really playing any different than what we did under "defensive" Rafa last season? for sure we're scoring less goals, probably conceding more too.

That was my thought to. where's this creative and free flowing football he thinks we have been playing in his delusional mind. because I can't see it. we have been very shit all season

[lionsden 4,689]

What ? I'm agreeing with you. The Special One has lost his mojo in his first season at a new club trying to set in a new philosophy while being 6 months into a new job. Holy shit, bring back Di Matteo.

Oh I forgot we are in transition. my bad.

[hjperdeath 2,226]

Oh I forgot we are in transition. my bad.

oh it's cool. There are many more like you on here who forget. At least you finally remembered.

[The only place to be 11,313]

I don't know if the club has the philosophy it does because of the fans or if the fans react like this because of the philosophy the club has...

No patience whatsoever, everything is solved with money, no immediate success = permanent failure, no trust in the manager to actually give him time to work, money, money, money, money. All we see around this forum is about money. If Roman leaves will half of the fans that post here too?

If the players don't turn up, money is the key, buy new ones. If the manager doesn't give you immediate success, money is the key, hire a new one. What if the support is crap? Can we buy new ones too?

I may have offended some of you with the FM thing, but all those problems we do have don't justify this idea of building a perfect team because in real life said thing doesn't exist.

Money is key to our success. I wish it wasn't like that, but it is.

We need quality players in key positions and we're probably going to need to buy them. There's a reason there's a whole section dedicated to transfers on every single football forum.

@The only place to be and others defend we use more youth - but young players are unstable and if people are treating Lamps so disrespectfully I can only imagine what they (not the ones defending it) would say about Chalobah, Ake, or whoever (in addition about Mourinho) when one of them makes a capital mistake that leads to a defeat or a draw. They'll be burned alive even more vehemently which is why I'm thankful they're in the youth. They don't need to be exposed to this...

So we shouldn't use young players and we shouldn't talk so much about money. Where are we getting these new players from then?

Is there a part of Stamford Bridge they we've all collectively forgotten about which contains world-class footballers. Would you like me to check in the toilet stalls next time I go, or maybe put up a few posters to raise awareness or this careless mistake?

Others believe we need to offload ALL experienced players (bar JT, I don't remember reading his name among the many lists I've come across since yesterday). Then who will provide the much needed experience to them? Who will lead them? Juan Mata, who can't be shier about leadership? Other shy kids like Oscar? Or quiet blokes like Willian? There needs to be some balance, this isn't a game you play on playstation... Mourinho has started sparing Lampard more often, but issue remains he had a plan: to have Marco learn from Lamps, and I'm sure he'd rotate them and have Mikel only for certain kind of matches. The kid got a season long injury...

Because you'll never win anything with kids (despite us having plenty of experience throughout the squad).

I do think he's made a mistake with the strikers. I'm not even saying he should have kept Lukaku (it's a plan though), but we should have got someone else. Eto'o really can't help. I was willing to give him a chance, but he blew said chance. Or we should have gotten someone else.

So from moaning about us talking about money and not relying on inexperienced youths, you actually concede that keeping a 19 year old striker who could cost up to £18 million 'is a plan'?

We should have gotten someone else....so in this case money was the key and we should've bought a new one?

What ? I'm agreeing with you. The Special One has lost his mojo in his first season at a new club trying to set in a new philosophy while being 6 months into a new job. Holy shit, bring back Di Matteo.

The problem is that this 'new philosphy' isn't apparent on the pitch. In fact the new philosphy looks an awful lot like the old philosophy under Rafa with a few minor tweaks.

All this talk about eggs and he brings in a 32 year old Eto'o and lets Lukaku go. He says we are in trouble, then denies he said it.

The fact is we're incredibly lucky that the league is as weak as I can remember it being and our Champions League group was the easiest one. We've been lucky to get a point at home to West Brom and not see it go the way of the Stoke game.

The youth situation has actually regressed from last year as well. In so many facets Jose has underwhelmed, but he still needs time.

[The only place to be 11,313]

Oh you can insult them. That's what they deserve. Success has unfortunately spoilt us, no shame to admit they've spoilt me too. Expected way too much in his first season. I'll happily taken a barren season as long as there is progress, hough it seems to have gone the other way around as you mentioned. Hopefully things change soon.

Wind your neck in kid. You're 16. You talk about silver spoons but I doubt you have the first fucking clue how lucky you are to support this club in the time you have, yet you chastise people who know more about what this club is actually about like you're some 'true blue'.

Supporters are free to criticise facets of this club when they under-perform. That's football.

[hjperdeath 2,226]

Wind your neck in kid. You're 16. You talk about silver spoons but I doubt you have the first fucking clue how lucky you are to support this club in the time you have, yet you chastise people who know more about what this club is actually about like you're some 'true blue'.

Supporters are free to criticise facets of this club when they under-perform. That's football.

Oh the kid jibes. Supported this club 6 years before Roman came cause of my grandad, and I talked about silver spoons being in my own mouth too unless you failed to see that.

Supporters are free to criticise but not in the fucking way its being done. You and I have very different definitions about how football is supposed to be then.