The Mourinho Thread

[Kojo 4,676]

Everyone who is doubting Mourinho can I just ask a question? Have you ever been a Chelsea supporter or watched a full season when we where title contenders? I know we haven't been up there for a while mind, so it's a large possibility there are some new fans, there is nothing wrong with that I'm just asking.

Because this is what happens in those seasons, you have to get used to it. When we won the title or contended I can never remember dominating it from start to finish, except for 2005-2006, but that was one of the greatest seasons a football team ever could of had in the league.

Just so you all know there are positives, not just another AVB saga, we are good enough to hurt anyone this year, last season or the season before yes you could of doubted us we didn't have any potential or any good attackers. Now we have good quality and a good established team (needs more work but we are coming along). For the new fans don't give up so easily, this happens, and come on we've only lost two games, and I don't count Old Trafford as a defeat as we got a point in what is potentially the 2nd hardest game of the season, nothing to complain about.

[bushman 2,043]

Backup brigade.

If Drogba can prove his worth and take a spot after being benched when we bought Torres than Mata can do the same.

No minutes off of name.

Mata is a starter, always was. If he gets benched for much longer, he is gone in January. He doesn´t need this shit, Mata wants to represent Spain in Brazil.

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

Mata is a starter, always was. If he gets benched for much longer, he is gone in January. He doesn´t need this shit, Mata wants to represent Spain in Brazil.

If he feels he is too good to fight for a spot then he needs to be gone.

This is Chelsea. NO ONE is guaranteed a spot just off of name alone.

[meetdoscar 335]

Mata is a starter, always was. If he gets benched for much longer, he is gone in January. He doesn´t need this shit, Mata wants to represent Spain in Brazil.

Hazard,oscar,schurrle,kdb are all internationals and willian who isn't is just as good as the others that's how tough it is for not only mata but for the six of them. Oscar who is his most likely competitor plays no. 10 for the most prestigious national team in world football. I admire your concern but with players like moses and lukaku on loan i am definitely sure chelsea want to play fantasy football this season therefore mata has no luxury in this fantastic squad.

[TrippingStep 336]

Everyone who is doubting Mourinho can I just ask a question? Have you ever been a Chelsea supporter or watched a full season when we where title contenders? I know we haven't been up there for a while mind, so it's a large possibility there are some new fans, there is nothing wrong with that I'm just asking.

Because this is what happens in those seasons, you have to get used to it. When we won the title or contended I can never remember dominating it from start to finish, except for 2005-2006, but that was one of the greatest seasons a football team ever could of had in the league.

Just so you all know there are positives, not just another AVB saga, we are good enough to hurt anyone this year, last season or the season before yes you could of doubted us we didn't have any potential or any good attackers. Now we have good quality and a good established team (needs more work but we are coming along). For the new fans don't give up so easily, this happens, and come on we've only lost two games, and I don't count Old Trafford as a defeat as we got a point in what is potentially the 2nd hardest game of the season, nothing to complain about.

I have watched some matches from Chelsea at this period (to be fair i surely have missed some of the best matches) and I wasn't really a fan of the way Chelsea played.

Especially when you think that Chelsea had a huge load of midfielders with Lampard, Makelele, Essien, Tiago, Ballack, Gudjohnsen, they were very complete but did not like that even again some weaker team, the team were sitting deep, and were scrapping results while they could have passed the other teams out of the park.

But I have always been more a fan of the pass and move game than the physical combat.

I read that at Napoli, they now play a more solid game when in possession, not only relying on counter-attack and that Hamsik, Higuain and Insigne had great link-up play between them.

[Kojo 4,676]

I have watched some matches from Chelsea at this period (to be fair i surely have missed some of the best matches) and I wasn't really a fan of the way Chelsea played.

Especially when you think that Chelsea had a huge load of midfielders with Lampard, Makelele, Essien, Tiago, Ballack, Gudjohnsen, they were very complete but did not like that even again some weaker team, the team were sitting deep, and were scrapping results while they could have passed the other teams out of the park.

But I have always been more a fan of the pass and move game than the physical combat.

I read that at Napoli, they now play a more solid game when in possession, not only relying on counter-attack and that Hamsik, Higuain and Insigne had great link-up play between them.

Our team back then where more counter attacking, we would play in our own half a lot, however we could also cause damage primarily to the likes of Drogba who could cause all sorts of problems for the defence just on his own and a big ball coming his way.

We where a brilliant team though, I never used to watch anywhere near as much games then as I do now, never had any of that streaming stuff I just watched Match of the day or go to an actual game once a season as my home town where in the Premier League then. We used to score some great goals, players like Lampard where the key. Now it seem the board want us to go towards a different role, where we can actually play a good game of football rather than playing more direct.

But for the main point I can never remember us winning a title or even finishing 2nd without having a bad patch, besides Mourinho's first season I just can't remember it, we have always had a rough patch of games where it looks all shit. As fans we need to be a bit more optimistic, we are not the team we where two seasons ago, we now have good players a highly respected coach, we shouldn't be looking down at the floor after 2 defeats.

[bushman 2,043]

Hazard,oscar,schurrle,kdb are all internationals and willian who isn't is just as good as the others that's how tough it is for not only mata but for the six of them. Oscar who is his most likely competitor plays no. 10 for the most prestigious national team in world football. I admire your concern but with players like moses and lukaku on loan i am definitely sure chelsea want to play fantasy football this season therefore mata has no luxury in this fantastic squad.

No one is looking for favors & Mata is no exception. Had Chelsea done proper transfer business this shit would have never happened. If Mata goes, plays elsewhere, while Chelsea struggles, then what you gonna say, then ? No team should get rid of their best player for two years running. Perhaps, Chelsea will be the fucking first ?

[Gilvorak 3,734]

Blame Emenalo and his cronies. Stockpiling players for no reason other than preventing other clubs from buying them seems to be biting us in the arse.

Rather than developing our own like Arsenal have done with the likes of Walcott, Gibbs, Ramsey, Wilshere, Jenkinson along with the majority of the top sides in Europe at the moment we just buy players for the sake of it regardless of whether they fit in the team or not.

Rather than bringing in Schurrle, Van Ginkel, Willian etc. the money could have been spent on a fullbacks, a proper midfielder and strikers. A couple of academy players could have been promoted instead or give a chance to the 20+ players we have on loan.

[edetarod 2,155]

the Willian signing for 30 million and loaning Moses to liverpool seems crazier the more you think about it

whoever was responsible for that should've been sacked on the spot

[bushman 2,043]

the Willian signing for 30 million and loaning Moses to liverpool seems crazier the more you think about it

whoever was responsible for that should've been sacked on the spot

I would just add to it. The decision to loan Lukaku & Moses that Jose has done is totally clueless. Then, he claimed Torres, Ba & Eto´o he is happy with. It borders on madness, in my view. Now, even Mata´s place is in limbo. The Special One to the Happy One with eggs to hatch might end up with the Hopeful One to the Desperate One by December.

[standup 28]

It hasn't been a good start but there's no need to panic. We need stability and even if we don't win anything this season we must still keep Jose. He will get it right. Have faith.

[Fernando 6,585]

Our team back then where more counter attacking, we would play in our own half a lot, however we could also cause damage primarily to the likes of Drogba who could cause all sorts of problems for the defence just on his own and a big ball coming his way.

We where a brilliant team though, I never used to watch anywhere near as much games then as I do now, never had any of that streaming stuff I just watched Match of the day or go to an actual game once a season as my home town where in the Premier League then. We used to score some great goals, players like Lampard where the key. Now it seem the board want us to go towards a different role, where we can actually play a good game of football rather than playing more direct.

But for the main point I can never remember us winning a title or even finishing 2nd without having a bad patch, besides Mourinho's first season I just can't remember it, we have always had a rough patch of games where it looks all shit. As fans we need to be a bit more optimistic, we are not the team we where two seasons ago, we now have good players a highly respected coach, we shouldn't be looking down at the floor after 2 defeats.

Just this two points says everything that I'm worried about.

Mourinho is mostly known for this type of game. The players we got and the philosophy that the board wants does not seems to equate with Mourinho.

Unless Mourinho becomes the next Klopp in producing a sexy style of futbol, Mourinho does not have a good record for this...

[bushman 2,043]

It hasn't been a good start but there's no need to panic. We need stability and even if we don't win anything this season we must still keep Jose. He will get it right. Have faith.

We all have faith but not in Jose ?

[Stats 7,147]

the Willian signing for 30 million and loaning Moses to liverpool seems crazier the more you think about it

whoever was responsible for that should've been sacked on the spot

It was Jose.....

[standup 28]

We all have faith but not in Jose ?

So what would you do? Sack him?

[standup 28]

the Willian signing for 30 million and loaning Moses to liverpool seems crazier the more you think about it

whoever was responsible for that should've been sacked on the spot

You're judging Willian after 1 game?

[Jase 43,479]

Chelsea are not in crisis: they are learning to adapt under José Mourinho

[Laylabelle 9,536]

A crisis?Bit extreme....

Bleh shame its working out for Man U with Moyles at the moment..sort of...

Sod it we played shit at least he's accepting the blame for it!Daft to think he was gana come in snap his fingers and everything be amazing and we're this super duper team because we weren't last year and aren't at the moment!However its early days as said...hopefully better to come.Takes time etc..and we need a sodding decent striker!!!!

[Jase 43,479]

Chelsea's Jose Mourinho hints style of football owner Abramovich wants to see is to blame for their woes

[Barbara 15,149]

Well, I remember not too long ago, 3 amigos played rather well, then. Do Chelsea sell their best player of last year ?

As I said, this morning, this whole mess is the result of clueless policies during the summer transfer window.

I'm quoting you because I've been out the whole day and I have to leave again in less than an hour, and this caught my attention - among many other things.

What have we won with the 3 amigos and Benitez?

So let's bring both things back and win Europa League again, lose all cups and finish 2 digits behind ManUtd - when Rafa started his job we were only 4pts behind Utd.

It's simple like that. We want Mata to play? Let's bring back Drogba to win a lucky UCL for us, finish SIXTH in EPL, but at least also bagging a FA cup title.

My point is if we had been brilliant before Mourinho, I would get some of the things I read, but we were mediocre through and through.

(now the rest of this post isn't an answer to you, but a general answer, don't remember if it fits some of the things you said because I just read 6-7 pages of posts although many of them I skipped after reading 4-5 words in. So from now on this is a general response)

I said it in his thread and people peeled me off alive - and that was two months ago - Mata was brilliant in a team that couldn't be farther from impressive. Mata shone in a team that technically and creatively was crap. Let's not allow the UCL title to change the fact that for the last two seasons Chelsea's has hardly been competitive at all. Finishing 6th in EPL is an embarrassment bigger than being knocked out in the UCL group stage last year - although the latter is also embarrassing. Finishing 3rd wouldn't be so embarrassing if 1) United wasn't basically 20 points ahead 2) we didn't have to fight until the last second to finish ahead of Arsenal and Tottenham. Don't people remember that? We haven't been a competitive team in the last two seasons. Say all you want, we weren't. Players gave their lives in the UCL, some players won that title for us, we weren't the best, the second, the third, not even the fourth best team in 2012 when we won it, but that's football and I accept that the best doesn't always win - especially in knock out competitions.

The competitions that will show how competitive is a team will always be the national leagues because that's about consistency. Losing or a winning a match out of luck will get you through the next stage in a knock-out competition and sometimes even the title. In the leagues it will get you 3 points - winning or losing them. So all the people here claiming that Mata should be played - because he must be the best player ever born; that Benitez, Robbie or whoever were better than Mourinho, or that Mourinho is destroying the team, do you forget we have been nothing but MEDIOCRE for the past two seasons? And don't give me other names of managers that had never been here because until they are here and prove they can win, they're just your wishful thinking!!!!!

I'm pissed beyond limits at all the bullshit I keep reading in this thread and in others. I'm going to come back and quote all of the impatient as heck, unfair as shit, overreacting as fuck people when Mourinho has finally found the best formation and philosophy to this team. I don't know how long it'll take, and if it takes too long - like 6 months, maybe I won't have the chance to have this convo with some people because by then who knows if they'll still be Chelsea fans...

Also, Mourinho is making mistakes - some of them justifiable some not. A lot of you are begging him to play Mata - I'm begging him not to play Mata unless the match is won. He played Mata yesterday, it cost us the match. But somehow he's still being criticized - even if he did what so many people criticized him about... Maybe he'll start Mata against Fulham - I hope he doesn't - and if we lose the frigging match don't come here to say crap because like it or not, Mata is costing us matches not because he's crap - he isn't - but because he's completely unfit! Playing with him sometimes feel like playing with 10 or against 12 in matches like yesterday where he kept giving the ball away.

Also, of course there's the possibility that some of you are right and Mourinho isn't the right person to work this team, and maybe you'll be right at the end of the season - and not me - and by then he wouldn't still have found a system that works. Then you'll be right and I'll be wrong. It doesn't change the fact that one month and six official matches is still too early for the reactions all over this forum. Six matches mean nothing in the long term... I would totally understand - and I would probably take part of the criticism - if this was happening four months in because four months is more than enough to give a team some shape. but it's been just a bit over four weeks and the overreaction and knee-jerk reaction is so overboard that I wonder... never mind.