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2 hours ago, Unionjack said:

Making a big deal of a pre-season game....

Just to show that it's not only Chelsea with the pessimist/knee jerk reaction fans. 

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14 hours ago, petre.ispirescu said:

It was 7th heaven at RedCafe before the Dortmund game, but things have changed in a blink hahah. From absolute title favourites under Mourinho's supposed genius, they've now opened a thread wondering what would happen if Mourinho fails to finish in the top 4  :lol:

Can't blame them though because any decent football fan that has watched United vs Dortmund the other day, plus Chelsea's matches the last three seasons, automatically knows they'll be playing that dull football from now on. Especially against the big teams.

I only visit RedCafe maybe a couple times a day, but I can't help but feel that they are already afraid of Guardiola and want tomorrow's match against City to be cancelled so bad :lol: "Because of weather conditions" they say, but that's bullshit as far as I am concerned. They are afraid of what media would write should Guardiola give Mourinho a good spanking, with a mixed team, days after Dortmund humiliated them in a same manner. 

 

Its not the losing or the kneejerk reaction that suprizes me,

Its having all those amazing talents theyve got up there and playing such boring football.. I wasn't a big fan of us doing it but I kept telling myself it was OK cause we were winning.

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Mourinho is perfect for United.

The duties of a United manager include intimidating your opponents, flat-track bullying, pecking at the opposition coach, haranguing the ref, manipulating the FA and hauling obscene stockpiles of silverware back home, while the whinging, plaintive cries of the defeated recede into nothingness, The players at United throughout their success know this and under Ferguson cheated like fuck to attain this.

Jose knows, utterly and absolutely, that in sport winning is the only thing that matters, the only record that anyone pays attention to. Ferguson knew this; Keane knew this; Ronaldo, Cantona and even Beckham, He knows where the bottom line is, and so do United.

All I hope for is a massive meltdown either between the board and Jose or the players, the sooner the better

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On 26/7/2016 at 4:29 PM, Fulham Broadway said:

Jose knows, utterly and absolutely, that in sport winning is the only thing that matters, the only record that anyone pays attention to. Ferguson knew this; Keane knew this; Ronaldo, Cantona and even Beckham, He knows where the bottom line is, and so do United.

Does it really have to be this way ? Is there only one way of winning ? The one including cheating and disrespecting everyone besides your team ? 

I for one don't think it should be that way, in the end, only the winners are remembered, but you know who are remembered more ? The "good" winners. 

Without going on ideology shocks here ( as once again, I don't believe there is only one way of winning ), but I'm pretty certain 2009 Barcelona are more remembered as treble champions than the 2010 Inter. Because they won in a great fashion, probably the greatest possible fashion, winning while cheating doesn't make you less of a winner, but winning brilliantly makes you a better winner.

Just my opinion ofc.

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On 2016/7/23 at 9:44 PM, Leif said:

I'm bitter that we're not good enough for you. Try the forum section of the official Chelsea website, that's where you'll find the locals. If you expect politeness from them though, heh.

When I asked for more discussion forums for Chelsea fans, I DID NOT mean TalkChelsea was not good enough. I was just curious. It was you who misconstrued my simple question and thought too much.

Thanks for the advice. I would not expect politeness from them or you. Fair enough.

 

 

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11 hours ago, Adnane said:

Does it really have to be this way ? Is there only one way of winning ? The one including cheating and disrespecting everyone besides your team ? 

I for one don't think it should be that way, in the end, only the winners are remembered, but you know who are remembered more ? The "good" winners. 

Without going on ideology shocks here ( as once again, I don't believe there is only one way of winning ), but I'm pretty certain 2009 Barcelona are more remembered as treble champions than the 2010 Inter. Because they won in a great fashion, probably the greatest possible fashion, winning while cheating doesn't make you less of a winner, but winning brilliantly makes you a better winner.

Just my opinion ofc.

No youre right, theres more than one way of winning.

My point being with Jose and United its a marriage made in hell. Both have a win at any cost mentality.

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39 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

No youre right, theres more than one way of winning.

My point being with Jose and United its a marriage made in hell. Both have a win at any cost mentality.

Sounds like our pre season last year eh And couln'd happen to a better team. Apart from them up in North London

http://www.footballfan.zone/blogs/frustration-for-jose-as-man-united-repeat-the-same-mistake-again/

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Schweinsteiger situation is interesting, hasn't made the best impression at United. Spent most of his time in Germany than Manchester alone last year, while taking home a nice fat £200,000 a week paycheck. You can see why Mourinho's banishing him, it's August and he's not waiting around to get rid of people. 

That being said, LOOOOOL. That didn't take long. Mou's man management (or lack of) to kick in. A tactical genius, absolutely no doubt. But that ego is his blessing and curse, can work brilliance for certain players but can also come back to haunt. He's lucky Schweinsteiger isn't a United hero or anything because the backlash could have been worse. United fans seem to be accepting of it, give them a year or two..

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17 minutes ago, xPetrCechx said:

Bastian Schweinsteiger reportedly moved to the reserve dressing room and trained with the reserves…on his birthday.

What an asshole... At least don't do it on man's birthday - show some respect for fucks sake.

So happy to not have this toxic person at our club anymore.

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Schweinsteiger's treatment by Mourinho is simply classless, and after what happened at Real Madrid and then at Chelsea I can't say I'm even surprised anymore.

Mourinho is broken. He's nothing but a bitter man with zero respect for others, my eyes have been well and truly opened after the events of last season. If he's willing to do that to a player as universally respected as Schweinsteiger, he'll eventually do it for anyone who doesn't kiss his ass and that will once again lead to his destruction. As soon as things go sideways he'll start throwing his players and certain staff members under the bus and the situation will only go from bad to worse. Maybe with the huge investments in player recruiting at Man Utd that won't happen for some time and they may even win something, because when things go well Mourinho is a great manager, but even every great team will have bad moments and in those bad moments Mourinho's true nature will be revealed and his United squad will realize what kind of a person they're dealing with and by then it's already very hard to turn things around.

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42 minutes ago, LDN Blue said:

That being said, LOOOOOL. That didn't take long. Mou's man management (or lack of) to kick in. A tactical genius, absolutely no doubt. But that ego is his blessing and curse, can work brilliance for certain players but can also come back to haunt. He's lucky Schweinsteiger isn't a United hero or anything because the backlash could have been worse. United fans seem to be accepting of it, give them a year or two..

Not so sure about that anymore to be honest. Sometimes it feels like the players are just doing what he asks because they want to win things and it's great if the team is winning week in week out, season in season out. But the minute the team hits a bad period, then I think there's where you will see things unravel, like what we saw last year - we went from a unified title winning squad in 2014/15 to an absolute train-wreck of a squad in 2015/16. Others have mentioned this before - Mourinho looks like a manager who is stuck in the past and is unable to adapt and change according to how football has changed - be it in style of football, tactics, formations, managing players or other aspects - and not even after the countless of same mistakes he's made over the years. It's just like that old saying - those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Sure, Mourinho can still pull off tactical masterclass and win some trophies here and there but if you compare the last 6 years and the 6 years before that, you will notice that his trophy haul has dropped significantly, he's fallen out with more players and become more embroiled in controversies than ever before. But despite that, he still continues with the same style of management and if he doesn't see the error of his ways soon, he will highly likely get left behind and maybe even become irrelevant at the highest level in football.

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26 minutes ago, Jason said:

But despite that, he still continues with the same style of management and if he doesn't see the error of his ways soon, he will highly likely get left behind and maybe even become irrelevant at the highest level in football.

I'd disagree because as you highlighted, tactically he's capable of pulling off league title wins. Short trophy formats he does dried up but Man Utd care more about the league right now anyway, hell it even worth more to clubs now :lol:. Not suggesting Champions League still isn't the epitome of football honours, because no doubt he'll be wanting to win that with an English team. As I said to many United fans, 3 years is all he'll last. Impossible more than 4, it's not his style. 

You know what's funny, we'd probably hire him back as well :lol: 

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