The Mourinho Thread

[Special Juan 28,871]

1 minute ago, Pizy said:

While Pochettino deserves credit, the primary reason they are where they are is because ourselves and United have been so shit this season. I wouldn't mind a manager like him here under normal circumstances but I kind of think we do need a star "name" to compete with the Manchester clubs and Arsenal next season and beyond.

Top players may have their choice between all of the top clubs in England. Why choose Chelsea if they're being pitched and recruited by Guardiola and Mouinrho? 

It's also not their fault we both have been shit. I don't care whether people hate Spurs, love them, or couldn't care less about them, but I like to give credit when it's due. This Spurs side have been very impressive this season, not just performance wise but what MP has done and what he's done with bringing people like Alli into the fold. 

Our club right now could learn a lot from Spurs, both on and off the field.

[Blue Colored Sky 1,807]

57 minutes ago, Pizy said:

One of, if not the saddest part of this situation is that it'll make it seem like he's been desperate for years to take the United job as rumors have suggested since SAF left. That he only came back to Chelsea because he had no real alternatives.

My one and only last hope is that the higher-ups at United decide he's not worth the inevitable trouble and go for someone else like Pochettino. He's my all time favorite manager and favorite football personality but if he goes there and waxes poetic about it being his dream job and how he wants to retire there, etc. my love for him will cease.

Like I and others here have mentioned, a Pep led City and Mourinho led United will be able to attract and sign the absolute best players in world football. We risk losing some of our best players and may struggle to attract top talent. It honestly feels like we won't even be able to compete with them for a while. Now we've even fallen behind the likes of Arsenal and fucking Spurs! 

We won the bloody league last season! Feels surreal thinking about where we are now.

Ferguson is pushing for Conte ahead of Mourinho from what I read.

However that dude who wrote Conte autobiography is claiming on Twitter that Conte is one step from Chelsea.

[Pizy 19,384]

12 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

It's also not their fault we both have been shit. I don't care whether people hate Spurs, love them, or couldn't care less about them, but I like to give credit when it's due. This Spurs side have been very impressive this season, not just performance wise but what MP has done and what he's done with bringing people like Alli into the fold. 

Our club right now could learn a lot from Spurs, both on and off the field.

For better or worse, what Poch has been able to build there would never have been possible here over the past few years. You're right, it is impressive but you have to look at how it's possible. A club like Spuds have no title ambitions and even finishing ourtside of the top 4 is acceptable there. Without those requirements a manager is able to bring through youth at will and take huge risks that we haven't been able to. He's able to work for a couple of years to implement a system and take his lumps if there's turbulence. 

Would our supporters or our owner put up with a few years of high midtable finishes under a new manager? 

[Laylabelle 9,754]

Considering the way things have gone this year that we look likely to end up outside top 4 and possibly not even mid-table and thats with title ambition and winning the league last year our supporters would welcome chance to bring in youth and rebuild properly.Sadly the board not so much  but then who knows next season might not be much better so have go grin and bear it rather then go firing happy at the first hurdle

[Special Juan 28,871]

10 minutes ago, Pizy said:

For better or worse, what Poch has been able to build there would never have been possible here over the past few years. You're right, it is impressive but you have to look at how it's possible. A club like Spuds have no title ambitions and even finishing ourtside of the top 4 is acceptable there. Without those requirements a manager is able to bring through youth at will and take huge risks that we haven't been able to. He's able to work for a couple of years to implement a system and take his lumps if there's turbulence. 

Would our supporters or our owner put up with a few years of high midtable finishes under a new manager? 

1. Right now they may not be favourites but they have a damn good chance of the league.

2. We don't bring youth through because we see it as too much of a risk and offer them 10 minutes at the end of a game that's dead

3. Right now we are in what you could call a perfect position to offer chances to the younger lads, we have fuck all to play for, yet we still ship out Bamford and have Falcao here, we still see RLC for one cup game, he scores and then is immediately demoted to the bench. I keep hearing "He isn't good enough" why isn't Bamford/RLC good enough, why? There isn't a reason because with a reason there has to be solid evidence based on consistent game time.

Year on year these kids win things, the media, the TV pundits go fucking wild for the performances, but what do we see? Fuck all, this club is a total joke if you just step back and take a look at what's going on for a few minutes.

[Laylabelle 9,754]

This is what's annoying me  now we're at this stage.We aint getting top 4...in theory unless we have a complete meltdown we wont be going down though not out the woods yet only 8 away from 18th.Still like you say why not now play some youth and actually get something from this season!No one will get good if not given the chance again and again and again.That and the players who play week in week out at the moment arent doing much better.Perfect time when sod all to play for

[Pizy 19,384]

3 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

1. Right now they may not be favourites but they have a damn good chance of the league.

2. We don't bring youth through because we see it as too much of a risk and offer them 10 minutes at the end of a game that's dead

3. Right now we are in what you could call a perfect position to offer chances to the younger lads, we have fuck all to play for, yet we still ship out Bamford and have Falcao here, we still see RLC for one cup game, he scores and then is immediately demoted to the bench. I keep hearing "He isn't good enough" why isn't Bamford/RLC good enough, why? There isn't a reason because with a reason there has to be solid evidence based on consistent game time.

Year on year these kids win things, the media, the TV pundits go fucking wild for the performances, but what do we see? Fuck all, this club is a total joke if you just step back and take a look at what's going on for a few minutes.

I guess the argument for some of our youth players is that they go on loan to much smaller clubs than Chelsea and don't exactly shine. Bamford couldn't get a game for Palace and when he did he struggled. If he can't do it there how would he here?

RLC is certainly good enough and deserves more opportunities. Must annoy the shit out of him to see players like Dele Allie light it up at Spuds.

[Special Juan 28,871]

Just now, Pizy said:

I guess the argument for some of our youth players is that they go on loan to much smaller clubs than Chelsea and don't exactly shine. Bamford couldn't get a game for Palace and when he did he struggled. If he can't do it there how would he here?

RLC is certainly good enough and deserves more opportunities. Must annoy the shit out of him to see players like Dele Allie light it up at Spuds.

Bamford went to Palace and then immediately following that he (Pardew) brought Wickham in, he favoured Wickham even though he was poor and Bamford got the Chelsea treatment.

What's also prominent is the fact we have a player that we are paying fucking insane wages too still sat here not even kicking a ball in Falcao, how does that make sense in business? Another JM and agent master stroke i guess hey? Another block in the nasal passage of youth and path to a chance in the team. What actual harm would it of done to keep Patrick here, play him against MK Dons and see how he got on? Just answer me that?

[Laylabelle 9,754]

Thats part of the problem.When a player goes on loan thats pretty much them gone.Always a case of on loan..on loan...on loan...gone!!Just because they may not have shone so much on loan doesn't mean they wouldn't when given the chance with extra pressure to prove themselves.The club dont really promote youth...a nice thought but nah never happen s

[Essien19 1,415]

2 hours ago, Fernando said:

But it's the truth my friend. Mourinho is a genius in a short term but so far has proven to be a disaster after 3 seasons.

You can't go back to back and do the same thing. Real Madrid he lose the players third season, Chelsea the third season.

Something is not right and unless he take a nice time to think about certain things, he would have not learn anything. And after a couple of seasons he will go back to his same shenanigans.

Maybe you've got a point there, maybe not, at least you can back it up with your aforementioned examples,
no problem mate.
You're not out of line, furthermore you refused to use some disrespectful language as some others before,
you respect his achievements, in the end it's all good!

In my point of view about three years is a very long time, especially in Football, a lot can happen, yes, it's not pulling off a Klopp (~7 years at BVB), but the status quo could severely change.
Most of the top clubs want to win a title in not later than 2 seasons, we'll hear the moaning loud and clear if we become an Arsenal, imo. One should never underestimate this period of time, as i said before,
for me it's not short term. Ferguson left ~3 years ago, nowadays Manchester is blue.

Chelsea has been falling apart so far, yes, but Real Madrid under his guidance wasn't that bad,
they went to the Copa del Rey final and to the semis in Europe, ain't that bad, imo.
In the next season they won the CL, it was more or less Jose's squad, imo. 

So, what's the problem at Chelsea?
After Jose was out of job, i read something like 'it's impossible to be successful at Chelsea for 'longer',
at first you may think, what a bad loser, but then?
If you want to judge a manager fairly, you have to give him full power over the squad,
i'm under the impression something isn't right at Chelsea, generally speaking.
I was in denial for a very long time, but in the end i have come to my senses, imo^^,
some young guys should have been playing a lot more.
I was hopeful after Jose's reign and accepted that this was one of his actions why he had to leave,
but Hiddink continues in doing so and i can't get my head around it yet, is someone else calling the shots?
I watched the game against Watford full time, zero control in midfield and that's not the first time.
Some changes need to be done, we can't wait forever!
For fuck's sake we sold our Ramires for a lot of money but so far nothing's changed.

At Chelsea Mourinho didn't lose all of his players, Courtois placed himself in one corner and i think he wasn't alone, same happened at Madrid,
but yes, the majority turned their backs on him. But that's not only Jose's problem,
the club and fans have to suffer too, just because they are Divas and can't handle some heavy shit.
There are definitely some players out there who are very difficult to handle, yes, the coach is responsible in the end,
but in my eyes especially at Chelsea it's far too easy for the players, they rule the club!

What have Inter, Chelsea, Real and again Chelsea all in common?
Exactly, it's not easy to work with the board, they all have one 'mad' president who thinks he knows best or has at least some bad advisors, imo. 
I'm under the impression that at ManUnited it could be different, Ferguson's reign ended,
but the structures are still there for the taking, imo.
Maybe this time it won't end in tears, but anyway, if he could prevent a possible reign of Pep Guardiola,
his appointment shouldn't count as a failure, imo.

Final words:
I get where you're coming from but i think if Jose goes to United and wins in 2-3 years some titles it would be our loss.
This time span would be long enough to put United back on the map, some people might think differently,
but i think Jose can still attract top players, they will go to United and apart from the money having him around matters, similar to Van Persie who was devastated by Ferguson's decision to quit, but maybe you're right and we'll have a young and hungry squad like currently the Yids ready to steamroll Jose after he ran his United team into the ground...
Still, the question remains whether guys like Courtois, Hazard, Willian and others -especially Roman would accept such a tough run, we all know, when it's gone,
it's very difficult to recover and gain back the attraction from the good ol' days.
Sorry, for the excess length and the English, couldn't help myself...

Regards!

[Laylabelle 9,754]

Pretty much that.

[Hybrid Angel 2,130]

Oh dear. I can't believe some here are still defending Mourinho. Appointing him was the biggest mistake this club has made in years, and his sacking, although too late, was a great decision. The longer Jose stayed, the more donkeys added to the team.

[Tautvix 1,321]

Just now, Hybrid Angel said:

Oh dear. I can't believe some here are still defending Mourinho. Appointing him was the biggest mistake this club has made in years, and his sacking, although too late, was a great decision. The longer Jose stayed, the more donkeys added to the team.

And the more titles we won...

[xPetrCechx 13,598]

[Pizy 19,384]

25 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

Bamford went to Palace and then immediately following that he (Pardew) brought Wickham in, he favoured Wickham even though he was poor and Bamford got the Chelsea treatment.

What's also prominent is the fact we have a player that we are paying fucking insane wages too still sat here not even kicking a ball in Falcao, how does that make sense in business? Another JM and agent master stroke i guess hey? Another block in the nasal passage of youth and path to a chance in the team. What actual harm would it of done to keep Patrick here, play him against MK Dons and see how he got on? Just answer me that?

Hey, man, I'm with you. Hopefully the next manager agrees and brings a few through. The question is if our board and owner share the supporters desire to implement youth. They've shown over the past few windows that the answer may be "no." 

[Laylabelle 9,754]

The fact its gone quiet and suddenly being reported again a fair bit says it all really.Matter of time really and has been since he got the sack

[Pizy 19,384]

3 minutes ago, xPetrCechx said:

Looks like it's close.

This is going to suck. Be prepared for a whole bunch of dirt about Chelsea to be made public.

[Laylabelle 9,754]

Long as we dont mess up our situation and start going through managers again not to bothered.They were never gana stay poor for long and were bound to get someone a lot better in.Probably still feels he has unfinished business with English teams so meh.What we do matters!Which isnt always promising

[Hybrid Angel 2,130]

Knowing Mourinho he won't say anything against the board or the club out of respect. He doesn't wanna come off as butthurt and would want the fans regret getting rid of him.

[Pizy 19,384]

2 minutes ago, Hybrid Angel said:

Knowing Mourinho he won't say anything against the board or the club out of respect. He doesn't wanna come off as butthurt and would want the fans regret getting rid of him.

Maybe not at first. I think he'll talk about how he didn't feel like he was backed like he should've been in the market this past summer. I think he'll say that it was a joke that we sacked him again and I think he'll take a jab or three at our players for underperforming. I have a feeling that his unveiling press conference will be painful viewing/reading for Chelsea fans.

I also remember him saying he'd talk about the Carneiro situation "when the time is right," so I wouldn't be shocked if he explained what happened at some point.

"Out of respect" doesn't mean much to him in this case I feel. He'll be angry as hell and out for revenge against Chelsea. Think we'll see the best José Mourinho since his first stint with us. He'll have his "dream job," as disgusting as that is to type.