The Mourinho Thread

[Pizy 19,374]

Fuck. 

Was still holding out a glimmer of hope that Mou wouldn return to Madrid. Only one possible destination now. Goddamnit. Next season will be a pain watching José at United.

[Ossie the King 634]

1 minute ago, Pizy said:

Fuck. 

Was still holding out a glimmer of hope that Mou wouldn return to Madrid. Only one possible destination now. Goddamnit. Next season will be a pain watching José at United.

Imagine the scenes if we go to Old Trafford to face Mourinho and we've got Brendan Rodgers as manager.

[Last Sicarius 610]

Jose in United? so they want to join to relegation fight? :v

[Pizy 19,374]

46 minutes ago, Ossie the King said:

Imagine the scenes if we go to Old Trafford to face Mourinho and we've got Brendan Rodgers as manager.

Or Pellegrino.

The worst thing initially will be seeing him sign players he couldn't here. Pretty much no transfer target will be out of reach. Seeing him sign players we've been desperate for here for years will be a gut punch. Think Stones and Pogba will be his two big summer buys.

[Blue Colored Sky 1,807]

2 hours ago, Adnane said:

3 points of United when he took the team. 

15 points off the champions in the end of the season.

That's just horrible. 

Are you for real mate ? You're losing all credibility in my eyes with such posts.

He took team that was on downward spiral, why otherwise there would be change of manager in the first place ? Chelsea feared for top4 finish even though the situation at that time was good in the table but it could quickly continue in the same pattern and go horribly wrong.

Rafa task was to get to top 4. He's done that while having super-thin squad while playing 69 games in a season (!!!). I don't know which idea that was but we had the worst squad overall with probably zero to non "options" why also having the most games to play. It was ridiculous bad planning.

 

Our squad in 12/13 ;

Cech, Turnbull, Hilario

David Luiz, Azpilicueta, Cole, JT, Cahill, Ivanovic, Bertrand, Ferreira

Mikel, Ramires, Lampard, Romeu, Benayoun (lol)

Hazard, Mata, Oscar, Moses, Marin

Torres, Ba + Sturridge (who was sold)

 

and with that squad you have to play 69 games in a season, reach top 4 and try to win a cup. WTF was that from Chelsea I will never know.

He had to basically play Hazard, Mata, Oscar in every game plus Moses as a sub. There was Marin who was crap and always injured. For midfield it was Ramires, Mikel, Lampard. Romeu was injured. Oh and I forgot Benayoun. Great options don't you think ?

 

The fact is Rafa did a really good job considering amount of matches to play (69 games, again I say this, while having to travel to Japan and Russia in mid weeks) and super thin squad. He even played 17 year old Nathan Ake and moved David Luiz to midfield to have a bit more options there. Just think about it for a second.

We dropped far too many points from winning positions, especially at the end of the games. I think we dropped 15 points from winning position at that season and majority of them in the last stage of the game. Reading A and Liverpool A are the first spring to mind. Plus that QPR loss. Yes, that's frustrating and I was very angry at that time but when you think about it players may fail hold on to lead when they are tired. And there was every reason to be tired with such shit overall squad and amount of matches.

[Muzchap 8,966]

He will end up at Real - Zidane hasn't got the experience, I see Zidane as a temporary appointment and fully expect Jose to be there

[Henrique 9,133]

3 hours ago, Adnane said:

When will the "Rafa did well for us" myth stop ?

Chelsea was 3 points off the top when he came, in the run for winning the Club world cup and in the two english Cups as well. 

He finished 15 POINTS off the champions, that is a disgrace, even we, in this disastrous situation have only 19 points off Arsenal at the moment, I don't think people here realize how bad he coped with the Premier League... 

Won the Europa League, struggling against the likes of Rubin Kazan and needing an injury time winner against the likes of Sparta Prague... We really don't care, we had better objectives, which were mainly qualify for next season champion's league, but also challenge for the title, we lost FA Cup semis, Carling cup semis and CWC final while getting -12 points under him on the league...

He did well considering the circunstancies of that season. When Rafa arrived, it was pretty clear the team would not finish above United, and it was clear the team would struggle to even finish in the top 4. RDM lacked any decent tactical skill, and it was easily the most disorganized Chelsea I've ever seen since I started watching games.

FA Cup and Curling Cup are never objectives. Europa League was pretty fun to watch, and nothing wrong in defeating Sparta Prague in injury time or struggling against Kazan, specially because those teams care more about that competition, and Chelsea is one of the few big european teams that won the EL after getting out of UCL.

United was pretty solid, and the team was a mess. Challenging for the tittle was never a possibility after RDM was sacked.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

4 hours ago, Adnane said:

Mourinho took the same team within 4 points of the champions ( and a couple of dropped points at home on the road ), and to the semis of the CL. 

Not comparing Mourinho to Benitez, the comparison doesn't even stand for me, but saying that he had a bad team, maybe, I'd even say for sure since it showed its limitations afterwards, but he had the team to at least challenge for the title till the last 3-4 games. 

It's not a linear equation. I'm sorry but these kind of comparisons are way too simplistic. It's like saying Stoke beat City and Sunderland beat Stoke so Sunderland are better than City. There are soooo many other factors. If anything, Jose would not have been able to take that team close to the championship if it weren't for the work that Rafa did, because under RDM we simply didn't resemble anything like a team. 

For me, the importance of the work that Benitez did was not the winning the EL (though that was great to win) it was that he enlisted some sort of system in the team and helped key players such as Azpi, Hazard, Luiz...etc. develop as players and in that system which set us up for the successes of the next couple of seasons under Jose. 

[Hybrid Angel 2,130]

Rafa's problems at Madrid had more to do with dire Football, with or without results.

Plus, he was always a mistake for Madrid. His team's record against top opposition in this season is horrible.

[Rhino's Skin 972]

2 hours ago, Pizy said:

Fuck. 

Was still holding out a glimmer of hope that Mou wouldn return to Madrid. Only one possible destination now. Goddamnit. Next season will be a pain watching José at United.

Dunno about that...there is a team that's just as quick to commute to from London as Manchester is ( think he is keeping his family in London residence).....with a shedload of money and superstar players just a short hop across the channel that might well be interested

[Pizy 19,374]

40 minutes ago, Rhino's Skin said:

Dunno about that...there is a team that's just as quick to commute to from London as Manchester is ( think he is keeping his family in London residence).....with a shedload of money and superstar players just a short hop across the channel that might well be interested

Meh. Don't think PSG is of interest to him. He'd be bored out of his mind.

[Rhino's Skin 972]

5 minutes ago, Pizy said:

Meh. Don't think PSG is of interest to him. He'd be bored out of his mind.

Even if he does end up in Manchester....why would it be painful?

 

Can't see what the big deal is if we have sacked someone, free to go wherever they want........had he asked to leave to go to another club, that's different

[Henrique 9,133]

9 minutes ago, Rhino's Skin said:

Even if he does end up in Manchester....why would it be painful?

 

Can't see what the big deal is if we have sacked someone, free to go wherever they want........had he asked to leave to go to another club, that's different

United football would be painful to watch, he means.

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1 minute ago, Henrique said:

United football would be painful to watch, he means.

He clearly states it would be a pain watching Jose

[Pizy 19,374]

34 minutes ago, Rhino's Skin said:

Even if he does end up in Manchester....why would it be painful?

 

Can't see what the big deal is if we have sacked someone, free to go wherever they want........had he asked to leave to go to another club, that's different

Doesn't matter to me how he ends up there. Seeing our best (and my personal favorite) manager ever at the helm of a club I despise will be painful. 

He's a success wherever he goes and he'll be one there. Which in turn means we'll likely be less successful. 

[Rhino's Skin 972]

5 minutes ago, Pizy said:

Doesn't matter to me how he ends up there. Seeing our best (and my personal favorite) manager ever at the helm of a club I despise will be painful. 

He's a success wherever he goes and he'll be one there. Which in turn means we'll likely be less successful. 

I wouldn't worry about it...its just football.

Seen many managers come and go...same with players. Just wish them luck and move on

[Henrique 9,133]

34 minutes ago, Rhino's Skin said:

He clearly states it would be a pain watching Jose

No kidding.

[Stats 7,230]

13 hours ago, Pizy said:

Meh. Don't think PSG is of interest to him. He'd be bored out of his mind.

Vice versa I think he would bore PSG fans and players out their mind

[Fernando 6,743]

Manuel Pellegrini: I’d rather win title and be sacked than fail and stay

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jan/05/manchester-city-manuel-pellegrini-title-sack

 

hehehe Pelle with another dig at Mourinho.

But after all is said and done with Pellegrini having funds in a big team in the same scenario as Mourinho they have proven to be similar.

Okay manager that can win things here and there but nothing so amazing.

This is proof enough for me that as long as we spend good and have an okay manager we will be good.

[Tautvix 1,321]

10 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Manuel Pellegrini: I’d rather win title and be sacked than fail and stay

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jan/05/manchester-city-manuel-pellegrini-title-sack

 

hehehe Pelle with another dig at Mourinho.

But after all is said and done with Pellegrini having funds in a big team in the same scenario as Mourinho they have proven to be similar.

Okay manager that can win things here and there but nothing so amazing.

This is proof enough for me that as long as we spend good and have an okay manager we will be good.

And who are these "okay managers". The only two "okay managers" we had in 11 years are Mourinho and Ancelotti and it's clearly not enough.