The Mourinho Thread

[manpe 10,861]

Why do people even read that shit? If it doesn't come from the BBC it's usually bullshit.

BBC is also full of shit. There are no credible outlets left anymore, even sky has gone down the shitter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBeUiTpM4rE

[quickpassnmove 924]

In the final third there aren't enough runs and passing opportunities. The ball goes from left to right and right to left. That's clueless and often the opponent can use that to their strengths. That's not completely the fault of Mourinho. because some of the guys have got really bad decision making, even Hazard sometimes holds the ball way too long. Willian is a champion in that competition, it slows the play too much down. A good pass is always faster than a run or dribbling,

You got that right, but all the rest can definitely be improved upon with a new manager who gets the side playing quick passes and quick movements.

[bethos1 802]

BBC is also full of shit. There are no credible outlets left anymore, even sky has gone down the shitter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBeUiTpM4rE

It's better than the other shit imo.

[Fulham Broadway 17,810]

I have to admit, of all the pony we get thrown at us, that one winds me up the most. Back up here in my beloved hometown of Glasgow, you just need to mention that your Chels and out it comes "You were nothing without that Russian cunt, blah, blah, fucking blah". So many fucking times have I had to 'interject' with "when you say 'nothing', by that I take it that you are discounting two FA Cups, Two League Cups, One ECWC, One Super Cup, repeated European campaigns and four points from the title in 99' (Cheers Doobs)?"

Now Citeh, that's another case altogether. Anyway, I digress.

On reflection, Jose should ride it out, Roman should back him, even if it means relegation. The older ones amongst us with recall many seasons of yo-yo'ing between the top two divisions and (almost) a spell in the 3rd, so lets try to stay positive. Should be get relegated, we will lose thousands of tourists (not the worst thing I can think of) and...........should Millwall get promoted............tribal I know, but old habits and all that.

I know mate, get the same, not much now of "what ya gonna do when the Russian gets bored?" (Circa 2004), but "its easy to support a winning team".

I cant be bothered to mention same as you, that we were there in the dark days, 70s, 80s90s, fuck em.

Good to have you back young man, stick around with your valuable insights

[Henrique 9,133]

This "article" pretty much sums up the credibility of media outlets. They will write literally anything for people to see and misclick on their ads. Shocking journalism.

This article doesn't need credibility. If people can't understand this is actually an acid satire, then it makes me lose faith in humanity.

[Changingman_2000 876]

I know mate, get the same, not much now of "what ya gonna do when the Russian gets bored?" (Circa 2004), but "its easy to support a winning team".

I cant be bothered to mention same as you, that we were there in the dark days, 70s, 80s90s, fuck em.

Good to have you back young man, stick around with your valuable insights

Thanks mate, and aye, I'll be hanging around this time :blue scalf:

[manpe 10,861]

It's better than the other shit imo.

Do you need to show more dignity, asks BBC sports editor Dan Roan?

"This moment the way I am going to show my dignity is not to answer you."

Phishing for headlines. Yeah, their shit may stink less, but it's still shit and I wouldn't eat it.

This article doesn't need credibility. If people can't understand this is actually an acid satire, then it makes me lose faith in humanity.

I understood it was meant to be funny in whatever way, but the author failed badly. The only ones considering it a worthwile read and time investment will be him and his anti-Chelsea buddies. Instead of losing faith in humanity because I am not amused by this garbage, you should instead lose faith in humanity because media are grossly abusing "freedom of speech" to earn themselves bigger paychecks by producing mind-numbing gibberish like this.

[Henrique 9,133]

I just can´t believe right before a decisive UCL match, the club sitting 3rd in a 4 teams group, the talk at the press conferece are about Savage and Mourinho's career. British press love to turn football into a mexican soap opera. Even the talk about Mourinho's bad run is nonsensical, just remember months ago they were saying this very limited team was favorite to win PL again, and there is few to zero talk about Mourinho´s tactics and the teams problems.

All they can do is show Hazard's goals and assistis stats, to point some "some individuals" bad performances as one of the reasons behind the poor run, and say the defense is not as solid as it used to be, and of course, Eva Carneiro and silly press controversies, because, you know, those things have a big impact in football and will explain a team going from easily winning te league to 15th place in the table.

There is no talk about the reasons behind the defensive problems (perhaps Terry and Cahill are just not good enough), no talk about Mourinho always using the same old 4-2-3-1 against all sides, nothing at all.

The talk can´t be football, but always human relationships. Mourinho against Wenger, Mourinho against Hazard, Mourinho against Eva, Mourinho against some misterious player, Terry against Savage.

At the moment we even have people evaluating the quality of the press conference.

The team officially became a non football one, it seems.

[Henrique 9,133]

Do you need to show more dignity, asks BBC sports editor Dan Roan?

"This moment the way I am going to show my dignity is not to answer you."

Phishing for headlines. Yeah, their shit may stink less, but it's still shit and I wouldn't eat it.

I understood it was meant to be funny in whatever way, but the author failed badly. The only ones considering it a worthwile read and time investment will be him and his anti-Chelsea buddies. Instead of losing faith in humanity because I am not amused by this garbage, you should instead lose faith in humanity because media are grossly abusing "freedom of speech" to earn themselves bigger paychecks by producing mind-numbing gibberish like this.

Okay, I lose faith on you.

[Fulham Broadway 17,810]

Do you need to show more dignity, asks BBC sports editor Dan Roan?"This moment the way I am going to show my dignity is not to answer you."

Phishing for headlines. Yeah, their shit may stink less, but it's still shit and I wouldn't eat it.

I understood it was meant to be funny in whatever way, but the author failed badly. The only ones considering it a worthwile read and time investment will be him and his anti-Chelsea buddies. Instead of losing faith in humanity because I am not amused by this garbage, you should instead lose faith in humanity because media are grossly abusing "freedom of speech" to earn themselves bigger paychecks by producing mind-numbing gibberish like this.

Well said Manpe.

[nullabletype 987]

I still think his press conferences are embarrassing - he's just way too confrontational

The media is always a double edged sword - stop looking petulant and grumpy and just smile at them

His body language is awful - he gulps a lot - he doesn't air confidence - a huge percentage of communication is non verbal and I felt little confidence he will turn this around.

He needs some PR training.

There was a question about Dignity - the perfect chance to say - look, I might have got some things wrong, it happens - I want to leave that in the past and just move forward. Job done - everyone gets their little sound bite - but he refused to answer. Just stupid IMHO

Then bringing up 2004 and Porto winner - that was 11 years ago! That's like saying VW were emissions compliant last year

He can smile all he likes and lick each of their arses, it wouldn't make a difference.

And seriously, this forum might as well be called TalkPR the way some people get on. He's a football manager, not a business executive. He doesn't need PR training and no amount of it would get the press off his case.

[manpe 10,861]

Okay, I lose faith on you.

So controversial

FYI before now I considered you one of the best posters on here. But your insistence in protecting anti-Chelsea journalism and instead attacking me when I didn't say a word about you, has me reconsidering.

[nullabletype 987]

I thought today was handled as well as we could have hoped for tbh.

Some of the media discussions over the past few days have been nothing short of disgraceful but they are never accountable, not as much as say a Premier League manager anyway. They can write whatever they want to a degree and get away with it. It was painfully obvious that Jose didn't want anything to do with that media press conference today, and I for some part cannot blame him, papers like the Mirror (represented by that prick Darren Lewis I think today) were trying to get a rise out of him asking probing questions, he says nothing much at all and on their twitter feed they compare him to David Brent. Do they want respectful responses or not? I know Jose is his own worst enemy when it comes to the media, HOWEVER, the media themselves should be ashamed of themselves for the stories they have allowed to be published from terrible sources. None so much as the BBC who I believe are a shell of themselves in terms of respectability.

But I think these are the times that we are living in, the media is catering for people now who don't care so much about substance or whatever important is going on in the world today, it's more to do with who's shagging who, who's stabbing who in the back with catty comments. It was only a matter of time before this sort of journalistic cesspool became a huge part of sports media as well. These sensationalised stories and rumours are doing my fucking head in and I feel ashamed that people are taking them seriously. I would much rather listen to three hours of Neville, Carragher and Lamps talking about proper footballing issues than twats like Neil Ashton, Darren Lewis sensationalising and turning this into a fucking soap opera. (Even more so than Jose has done in his response to them and referees this season).

Said it multiple times on here before, mate. 90% of sports media outlets now are Hello magaizine for men. For blokes too embarrassed to watch The Only Way Is Essex but not above drama in a more masculine guise.

[the wes 7,212]

Italian newspaper Gazzetta dello Sport can't get enough of Jose Mourinho and that's been the case since he was manager at Inter Milan. Mourinho is highly thought of in Italy and, should the manager part company with Chelsea, then a return to Inter at some stage would be look to be an attractive option, albeit one which Roberto Mancini currently stands in the way of.

In their 'Extra Time' supplement on Tuesday, Gazzetta dello Sport split Chelsea players into those for and against Mourinho's continuation at the Premier League club. It's likely to be educated guesswork but they've gone to the extent of designing a nice little graphic, which is more than most have been bothered to do.

The Horsemen of Mourinho's Chelsea Apocalypse are named as Oscar, Nemanja Matic, Radamel Falcao, Cesar Azpilicueta and Branislav Ivanovic. Gazzetta's reasoning is a mixture of form, and how Mourinho has been treating those players.

On the Chelsea manager's side are Thibaut Courtois, Cesc Fabregas, Diego Costa, John Obi Mikel, Ramires, Gary Cahill, John Terry, Kurt Zouma and Asmir Begovic.

We know who would win in a fight, even with the big Serbians apparently against Mourinho.

The Serbian press made a point at the end of the international break of saying that Matic is a very placid character, loyal, and simply not the type to cause trouble, so the perception of him could be wrong.

Eden Hazard and Willian are among a third group of Chelsea players said to not be too fussed either way.

http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/topics/the-five-anti-mourinho-players-at-chelsea-named-along-with-his-su

[Henrique 9,133]

So controversial

FYI before now I considered you one of the best posters on here. But your insistence in protecting anti-Chelsea journalism and instead attacking me when I didn't say a word about you, has me reconsidering.

Same here mate. Can´t believe you are buying the anti-Chelsea thing. Reconsidering my thoughts on you, specially because you said the journalisms are abusing freedom of speech in those reports, and a long as you believe anti-Jose is anti-Chelsea I don´t consider you a good poster.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

So I'm abroad right now.. I bet this place was entertaining post-Liverpool

[Henrique 9,133]

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11668/10054395/chelsea-manager-jose-mourinho8217s-quotes-in-full-ahead-of-dynamo-kiev

Chelsea manager Jose Mourinho was in defiant mood ahead of his side’s crucial Champions League clash with Dynamo Kiev.

The pressure on Mourinho intensified further following the 3-1 home defeat to Liverpool at the weekend and condemned Chelsea to their ninth loss in 17 matches in all competitions this season.

Former Chelsea forward Tony Cascarino said on Monday the Portuguese is facing the "biggest week of his career" so far and would not be the club's manager if he loses his next two matches against Kiev and Stoke City.

Question: Will you get time to turn things round? Have you spoken to Roman Abramovich since Saturday? How long do you have?

Mourinho: "I don't have to answer you if I was with Roman or not. I have four years. In this case, three years and seven months, or something like that."

Q: It has been reported that some of players would rather lose than win for you. One particular player apparently said this. Have you lost the support of some players?

Mourinho: "Look, I think it's a very sad accusation because you are accusing the players, or more than one player - I don't know what you report - of dishonesty. If I accuse you of being dishonest, a dishonest journalist, I think you'd be very upset and probably you'd take legal action. So I think it's a question for the players, not for me."

Q: How have the players responded since defeat on Saturday? Are you sure they are still responding still to your methods?

Mourinho: "Yes. Giving their best every minute of every training session. Giving solidarity in between all of us. Fantastic personal relationship. Very good professional relationship. Training always in the limits of the quality and the effort. And always with the strong desire to win the next match, which is what we're going to try and do tomorrow."

Q: There has been so much speculation as to why the form is so different to last season, same bunch of players, different results...

Mourinho: "Same manager."

Q: Do you know why the results are so different this season?

Mourinho: "Yes, I know. No (I can't tell you) because I'll be here a long time. It's a combination of factors. Some of them I can't, I don't even want to touch them. And yes I know."

Q: Are they all football related?

Mourinho: "Everything is football related, right. We don't want to blame social or political problems in some corner of the globe, you don't want to blame these aspects or bring these aspects to football problems. So everything is football related, of course."

Q: Difficult period for the club and you...

Mourinho: "And the players."

Q: Are you going to be a better coach for this?

Mourinho: "I try to be every day. Not because of this. I try to be every day. If I'd only become a better coach because of bad results, then I'd be a very bad coach because, in the last 15 years, I'd never have improved. But I try and improve every day, analyse every detail of my work every day, preparing sessions, discussing after sessions, preparing matches, analysing matches. That's what I do every day.

Q: This is a new experience for you, such a long period of negative results...

Mourinho: Yes. This is new for me. That's why I'm a good one. If I was a bad one it would come before. Yesterday a friend sent me some quotes of my press conference after the Champions League final in May 2004. I'd completely forgotten about it. In May 2004 in the Champions League press conference I said that, one day in my career, bad results would come. I said that in 2004 after winning the Champions League final with Porto. One day the bad results will come and I'll face the bad results with the same honesty and dignity that I'm facing now I am European champion. May 2004. So, 11 years later, I resisted well to the nature of my job and the nature of football. 11 years waiting for this. It took time, but it's come in a moment when I'm stable and strong to face it."

Q: Alvaro Arbeloa said you were like a bullet-proof vest for players. Are you taking too many bullets at the moment?

Mourinho: "For my players I'll do everything. I always do it. I'm not going to change."

Q: Happy to take more bullets if need be?

Mourinho: "Yes."

Q: How much do you still count on Radamel Falcao after delivering for many years for so many clubs in different circumstances?

Mourinho: "Falcao had, today, an important injury. Not so important as the ones he had previously, but an important muscular injury and he will be out for a few weeks, so there's no point speaking about him. Just to give you this sad news."

Q: How easy is self-reflection for you? And what do you need to do differently to be a better manager?

Mourinho: "To do what I did all my life. Which is to study and, in my case, it's difficult to study from others. When you reach my level, it's difficult to learn from others. You have to learn from yourself, with your own experiences, day by day, analysing your work like we do. That's why I have a staff of assistants to discuss every detail of our job. I learn with it day by day, with the experiences which come every day."

Q: People comment on your personality and the way you interact with other people being one of the things that you could potentially change. How does that affect you?

Mourinho: "It doesn't affect me."

Q: You've had 11 years to prepare for this bad run, and you said you're strong and stable. Why do you think results are not turning around? We were expecting this to be a blip but this is going on and on and on. You said you were working hard to turn it around but it just doesn't seem to be turning the ship around. Why do you think that is? It makes me think the football problems are quite big...

Mourinho: "I don't want to say much more. I told your colleague already it's a combination of factors. It's not one reason. One reason would be easy to fix. It's not one reason. It's a combination of factors. I don't want to say more than that."

Q: You said you always knew at some point in your career there would be a blip and that when that came you would have to handle it with dignity. Do you think you have handled this slump in form in a dignified fashion? There was another FA punishment yesterday, the interview after the match at the weekend. Jamie Carragher said on television he thinks there is paranoia...

Mourinho: "You know the way I am going to show my dignity in this moment? Is not to answer you. That's how I will show my dignity."

Q: It has been claimed that the players have asked you to play in a different way... is that true?

Mourinho: "No."

Q: At least in public you come off as a guy who is very confident in his own ability. With this run and the start to the season, do you feel personally that you've lost any of that confidence?

Mourinho: "No."

Q: Can you expand on that?

Mourinho: "You asked me yes or no, I answered you 'no'. No. You asked me yes or no, and I tell you no."

Q: Is there any updated team news? What do you think of Chelsea's chances of qualifying top from the group?

Mourinho: "I think Chelsea will finish first in this group. I think, if you don't finish first, we'll finish second. But I'm completely convinced we are going to qualify, and I think first. I think first. But the reality is that the game tomorrow is not even a game we have to win. Because a draw tomorrow, with two victories in the last two matches, we would qualify. No doubt, because Dynamo have to play against Porto and they both cannot win the same match. So even this match is not a must win. It's a must not lose, but not a must win. So our situation in the Champions League is not phenomenal, but it's absolutely normal situation. We have an important game tomorrow, but, I repeat, it's not a game we need to win like, for example, in a knockout match. I'm convinced we can finish first. That's what I think. If not first, then second."

Q: You talked about your friend earlier. Are you able to say who that friend was? Sir Alex Ferguson went through runs like this, you are very close to him - have you had any messages of support from him?

Mourinho: "Look, my friend is not a football person. And I'm not going to tell you which football people called me or sent me SMS because that would be unfair with some of them who I might forget. So it's better not to say. I've had messages from friends. Some are football people. Some are not. But I don't have to (tell you)."

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[Melanicus 5,208]

Owned.

[11Drogba 2,000]

Q: Alvaro Arbeloa said you were like a bullet-proof vest for players.

More like a bullet proof vest for inept right backs.

[manpe 10,861]

Same here mate. Can´t believe you are buying the anti-Chelsea thing. Reconsidering my thoughts on you, specially because you said the journalisms are abusing freedom of speech in those reports, and a long as you believe anti-Jose is anti-Chelsea I don´t consider you a good poster.

anti-Jose is anti-Chelsea as long as he is a Chelsea manager, you don't need to contest that line of thought as it is my view only. I can't follow your logic, but if you consider that puke by eurosport a well-thought report then that's fine.. I guess. And also my point on freedom of speech abuse was exampled by, but not limited to that particular story. Look at it in general, on global reach and not only football. Anyway, I won't be dragging this discussion any further as I have the feeling it won't lead us anywhere meaningful, only more stress and negativity. Shit day as it is already I will try to relax instead. Good day to you :tophat: