The Mourinho Thread

[Rekin 835]

Barcelona weren't that good when Pep took over. In fact, they were in a similar position to us (squad quality size).

I am aware of that argument, but I disagree. Barcelona had some absolutely amazing players that had simply not hit their stride/stepped up/utilized properly before Pep came in. Credit to him for finding a system that worked, but to compare it with Chelsea would mean that we have some truly top world-class players that just need a different coach/system to be amazing. While neither of us are in a position to state whether this is the case, I have my doubts (not saying that Chelsea have bad players, but I dont believe us to have the equivalents of a prime/young Xavi, Iniesta, Puyol, Messi etc).

Having said that, I would be very happy if Pep came in. I just think that Simeone would feel like someone I would get behind easier.

[chrismada9 1,948]

I don't think Jose should get the sack because there simply isn't anyone else out there that is as good as or better than him. It'll be another era of the "manager revolving door" if the replacement isn't as good.. he will just get disposed of.. unless Ancelotti is interested in a second stint at the club.

Jose getting the sack is a stupid move anyway, even though it's blatantly obvious that his actions have caused the squad to slip under the cosh, leading to a lot of the players losing their form (and the doctor's job). Furthermore, every manager understands that change is the only way to turn a season around, because if what is being used isn't working, it needs to change!

Don't want it to happen, but I wouldn't be surprised of it happening due to the above reasons.. it's all up to Roman at the end of the day. If Roman wants Jose to stay, he'll stay.. if Roman wants him to go because of the stupid things he's done to cause this depressing start to the season, then Jose will go. If Roman is serious about his commitment to Chelsea, he will do what is best for the club.

[The Skipper 20,609]

I am aware of that argument, but I disagree. Barcelona had some absolutely amazing players that had simply not hit their stride/stepped up/utilized properly before Pep came in. Credit to him for finding a system that worked, but to compare it with Chelsea would mean that we have some truly top world-class players that just need a different coach/system to be amazing. While neither of us are in a position to state whether this is the case, I have my doubts (not saying that Chelsea have bad players, but I dont believe us to have the equivalents of a prime/young Xavi, Iniesta, Puyol, Messi etc).

Having said that, I would be very happy if Pep came in. I just think that Simeone would feel like someone I would get behind easier.

It's true that Pep took the likes of Xavi, Iniesta etc. to the next level, but no one thought at the time that they were all elite, world class generational players in the making. It's easy to say in hindsight. Who knows, maybe Pep can elevate the likes of Hazard, Oscar, Zouma, Azpi, Courtois etc. (Just throwing some names out there) to the next level as well, whilst bringing through very talented youth players such as Boga, Musonda etc... And maybe give someone like RLC a proper breakthrough as well.

I just think it's very difficult to tell, and a lot easier to say you disagree when you look at it in hindsight. However, you could easily be right - definitely not disagreeing with the premise of your argument.

[MrBlueGuy 1,552]

because you said the whole ball must cross the line at all times, so if it doesn't and it's given against us I'm bringing that picture up and your quote. Because it's one rule for us and one for others and to think you agree with the refs and goaline technology baffles me.

You still believe Jose's gospel I see, us vs the world mentality isn't it. Haha cannot believe you are even going to suggest conspiracy theories against TECHNOLOGY. Btw the technology isn't biased so even if the whole of the ball is 1mm over the line it will be given as a goal for or against us so I don't think you will be bringing that up ever unless technology stop working.

[Parky 739]

I think Roman and the board will give him until the end of the season unless we are facing definite relegation. Im sure there is a clause in his contract that stipulates only a minimal payout if he does not qualify for Europe.

We will finish outside the top 6 and he will leave by mutual consent with Roman lining up Pep as the next manager. Jose will probably than go on a year sabbatical out of the game.

[Miguelito 459]

Are you really a chelsea fan or just a ref fan?

Look at the ball and look at the line... now tell me that's a no goal or we shouldn't be pissed?

What??? This is what I don't get. First off yes I am a Chelsea fan, that has nothing to do with this. I am looking at the ball and the line and it is clearly not over it. How is this even a question?

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Side note (not directly aimed at you): I don't post that often, but am on here most days. And I tired of seeing so many people question if someone is a fan or not. You have no right to question that.

Just because someone does not agree with you doesn't mean they aren't a fan.

Just because they don't follow your exact "fan rules/law" and defend everything the manager, players, or club does, does not mean you're not a fan.

Just because someone has never been to a game, whether that is by choice or they haven't been able to, doesn't make them any less of a fan.

Just because you are from a certain country, does not mean you're not a fan or less of a fan.

Just because you became a fan of the club because of a certain player, doesn't make you any less of a fan.

It does not matter why you became a fan, even if you did it because of the success we have had recently. It doesn't matter if you're the type of fan that goes to games and watches, but doesn't do any chants or singing. Some people just don't like to be loud when they watch games.

None of that matters. Everybody has a different way of being a fan. It doesn't matter how you became a fan of this great club, what matters is we're all fans. We have different opinions and views, and different stories of how we became fans. None of it makes any fan better than another. Just supporting and wanting what is best for the club we love.

[Rhino's Skin 972]

I think Roman and the board will give him until the end of the season unless we are facing definite relegation. Im sure there is a clause in his contract that stipulates only a minimal payout if he does not qualify for Europe.

We will finish outside the top 6 and he will leave by mutual consent with Roman lining up Pep as the next manager. Jose will probably than go on a year sabbatical out of the game.

As you seem to know what is in his contract, will there also be clauses that could be classified as breaches of contract such as bringing the club into disrepute etc which could in turn mean a severence in pay less than full contracted amount?

[kmk108 1,186]

because you said the whole ball must cross the line at all times, so if it doesn't and it's given against us I'm bringing that picture up and your quote. Because it's one rule for us and one for others and to think you agree with the refs and goaline technology baffles me.

You do understand that the WHOLE ball has to cross the line right? And you do see that the WHOLE ball didn't cross the line? How anyone can see the shot and still think it's a goal is what baffles me.

[Rhino's Skin 972]

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Side note (not directly aimed at you): I don't post that often, but am on here most days. And I tired of seeing so many people question if someone is a fan or not. You have no right to question that.

Just because someone does not agree with you doesn't mean they aren't a fan.

Just because they don't follow your exact "fan rules/law" and defend everything the manager, players, or club does, does not mean you're not a fan.

Just because someone has never been to a game, whether that is by choice or they haven't been able to, doesn't make them any less of a fan.

Just because you are from a certain country, does not mean you're not a fan or less of a fan.

Just because you became a fan of the club because of a certain player, doesn't make you any less of a fan.

It does not matter why you became a fan, even if you did it because of the success we have had recently. It doesn't matter if you're the type of fan that goes to games and watches, but doesn't do any chants or singing. Some people just don't like to be loud when they watch games.

None of that matters. Everybody has a different way of being a fan. It doesn't matter how you became a fan of this great club, what matters is we're all fans. We have different opinions and views, and different stories of how we became fans. None of it makes any fan better than another. Just supporting and wanting what is best for the club we love.

phew..!!!!! glad I am a supporter and not a fan then ;-)

[Fernando 6,585]

I'm sorry, how exactly are the Arsenal board a million times better?

The fact that Wenger can do whatever he wants point to the board right?

Here the manager will never have the control that you can get at Arsenal.

[Rhino's Skin 972]

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The fact that Wenger can do whatever he wants point to the board right?

Here the manager will never have the control that you can get at Arsenal.

playing devils advocate...but surely thats the sign of a 'weak and naive' board if a manager can dictate everything

[Miki-Liki 405]

You do understand that the WHOLE ball has to cross the line right? And you do see that the WHOLE ball didn't cross the line? How anyone can see the shot and still think it's a goal is what baffles me.

There's a campaign against Chelsea.

[LukakutoStamford 779]

Chelsea continue to insist otherwise They insist the support remains for Mourinho and that they did not take the unprecedented step of backing their manager publically three weeks ago lightly. The statement was meant and still holds, they say, so it cannot be discounted.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/managers/jose-mourinho/11955490/Jose-Mourinho-has-tried-every-trick-in-his-book-to-turn-Chelsea-around-now-he-must-adapt-or-die.html

Good article, have a read

That article is terrible. It suggests it's everyone else's fault but Jose. It even goes as far as to say it wasn't his fault that he called Wenger a specialist in failure and it wasn't his fault for acting the way he did towards Eva as if Jose is merely a puppet with some Deus Ex Machina pulling the string.

'Kinhell if you agree with article you might as well lap up Jose's piss

[Rhino's Skin 972]

another view of things from the independanthttp://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/jose-mourinho-in-defence-of-the-chelsea-manager-who-should-not-be-sacked-no-matter-the-result-a6709261.html

seeing a few articles appearing to support him rather than castigate him ( like a few on here ) at every opportunity.

Wonder if the club has been in touch with a few of these media hacks threatening them with a banning order from SB etc etc

[simon_me 38]

I will be very sad, if Mourinho will leave Chelsea. Yes, our results are awful, but when you just sack perfect manager, who all of us were waiting for years – it's just stupid. It's like killing yourself, if you have severe flu.

Sacking Mourinho is the simplest way, but why not to find actual problem and solve it? I don't want a new manager, whether it's Pep or someone else. For me it's starting from the very beginning again. You want Chelsea, which will be strong in Premier League and Champions League? Let's be patient, let's show our trust for the team and manager, criticize them, without hysteria.

I think there is no happiness without drama. We can't do anything with that.

[Henrique 9,133]

Chelsea continue to insist otherwise They insist the support remains for Mourinho and that they did not take the unprecedented step of backing their manager publically three weeks ago lightly. The statement was meant and still holds, they say, so it cannot be discounted.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/managers/jose-mourinho/11955490/Jose-Mourinho-has-tried-every-trick-in-his-book-to-turn-Chelsea-around-now-he-must-adapt-or-die.html

Good article, have a read

Indeed, he was spot on:

"There is a theory that Mourinho is trying to engineer his own sacking by his increasingly provocative behaviour. I do not buy it. I do not think, either, that Mourinho’s pronouncements and actions are as thought through as others have claimed. Instead he is simply lashing out."

[Rekin 835]

If they sack him. Would next manager have this passion for this club? Ofc not.

Dude, that means absolutely nothing. Its just a simplistic way to win over people who are purely run by emotions. Mourinho's heart only beats for himself (no shit) and while I have no doubt that he likes CFC, I also have no doubt that he would leave us the moment a better opportunity came.

[Adnane 1,101]

Absolutely delighted at the ascending common sense in here, the spirits are a bit higher than previously.

Just a bad phase, we'll come back eventually.

[kmk108 1,186]

If they sack him. Would next manager have this passion for this club? Ofc not.

I'm sure Roberto Di Matteo had a lot of passion for Chelsea.

[Rhino's Skin 972]

Absolutely delighted at the ascending common sense in here, the spirits are a bit higher than previously.

Just a bad phase, we'll come back eventually.

from the article in the independant comparing several years into Fergusons reign when he also courted the FA several times and paid for their Christmas bash

"Sir Alex Ferguson had a bleak three-year spell at Manchester United when he failed to win the Premier League, failed to get to the quarter-finals of the Champions League and had fans and the media calling for his head. He won just one FA Cup in that time. But Ferguson turned it around and went on to win another five Premier League titles and the Champions League, retiring as one of the greatest managers world football has ever seen.

At the very least, Mourinho deserves until the end of the season to prove that he can turn it around at Stamford Bridge. "