Rumoured Arda Turan

[Reddish-Blue 2,512]

Hope we sign Turan as we need quality/depth in midfield

[Gilvorak 3,734]

So you are against Turan but would take Shaqiri? mate you even watch football? When I tell you inter prefers Salah over Shaq, that should ring bells.

I have heard enough anyway...

We preferred Oscar over De Bruyne. More than half this forum would swap the latter over the former in an instant. Arda is a 29 year old winger that's the exact replica of the profile we already have at the club. Shaqiri is only 23 with the best of his career still to come yet offers something very different to our other wingers. Arda is a slow ball to feet midfielder, Shaqiri is a pacy winger that exploits space.

Go to Inter's forum and tell me what they think of Shaqiri's imminent sale then claim "do I even watch football". Apples & oranges. I've seen enough of Shaqiri to know there's a great player in there, it took Sturridge a while but he eventually reached his potential with Liverpool despite spending years on the bench & injury table.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

We preferred Oscar over De Bruyne. More than half this forum would swap the latter over the former in an instant. Arda is a 29 year old winger that's the exact replica of the profile we already have at the club. Shaqiri is only 23 with the best of his career still to come yet offers something very different to our other wingers. Arda is a slow ball to feet midfielder, Shaqiri is a pacy winger that exploits space.

Go to Inter's forum and tell me what they think of Shaqiri's imminent sale then claim "do I even watch football". Apples & oranges.

He can exploit space, but when opponents give us that much space I ask you? Neither is Shaqiri a natural goalscorer. He MIGHT become good, but he is exactly what we dont want now; another gamble on RW ala Salah, Schurrle, xyz. I prefer experienced player, Turan might be slower, but he can break through with ball at his feet easier and quicker than majority of available players, he uses ball control for that, which is more useful than pace alone here. Plus he was told to track Ronaldo number of times, if he was able to catch up with Ronaldo, he aint that slow either. Turan is slower player, but he aint slow. Thats a myth. He doesnt use pace like Iniesta doesnt, but that doesnt make them useless. Plus I dont know why everyone assume he will play on flank. First of all he moves alot regardless of his ''tactical'' position. Secondly, he would probably be used in big games in middle instead of Oscar because he gives same mobility, speed, tracking back, but more balance, more reliable with ball which could trigger faster counter attacks with Haz and Willian on flanks. For games with little space, he could play on wing next to oscar and Hazard and trust me he would be alot more useful in close spaces than any winger whos main strenght is pace.

As for your remark on me ''going to inter forum''. I infact watch Inter and Atletico games as I mentioned before, The only reason I watch their games and read their forums is because two slovenian gks play there; Handanovic and Oblak and I watched majority of these two team's games. But I only mentioned inter forum to tell you that Im not the only one who saw how average Shaqiri was, many others there think the same. They see him as nice prospect, he has been there for only six months, so they are not ready to just give up on him, but if the only chance to get Salah (they realy want him) is to sell Shaqiri, then almost everyone would do it. And I would infact too. Shaqiri is quite frustrating to watch, his dribbles usualy end up in waste. And he doesnt score much goals either.

So dont sell me that stuff. I wont go into if you actualy watch them, if you do fine, but if you say Shaq is better player than Arda, better for us or better in any football sense, then I can safely assume you didnt watch either enough.

The only downside about Arda is his age, but on other hand that is also advantage because of his experience and consistency. He delivers good games in 80% of time, while Shaq had about three good games for inter and was below expectations in rest. If you think dont want Arda because he will cost 25m and is already 28 (29 in january i think), then thats a fair argument, but regardless of that he is quality player, better than anything we have bar Hazard in that area. I wont be far if I say best RW option available right now, along with Sterling who has huge potential (but also huge price).

In the end its all about who fits us in this team more. We have super pacy Willian, who does little for us attacking wise on wing, so saying we should bring someone because of pace is not best fact. Would prefer someone who can either keep the ball, balance the play, take pressure from Hazard and Cesc, because we had HUGE problem last season with keeping the ball against team that pressed us. Either winger with good hold up and playmaking ability, or someone who is proven goalscorer, on top of that either type must be a good worker too. Shaqiri is neither. Just because he has body that suits PL doesnt mean he is actualy usefull and resourceful with the ball. But if pace and body are key, then we might just sign Hulk aswell.

About KDB, he is better player than Oscar, but wouldnt be solution to our midfield. If you think he would improve Mourinho team who sits deep and defends in majority of big games, think again. His passing range would be great for us, but he aint worker. Talking about quality, arguably Ibra was better striker than Milito, but its all about the type of player and what he can give to team apart from his main ability. Mou prefers certain type of players. And Kdb would not do better for Mou than Oscar because either his attacking stats would stagnate or we would be even weaker in midfield, because Oscar has defensive duties here, while KDB has free role in wolfsburg.

If Oscar was more capable in attack, he would be perfect Mou #10. And next season he will have one last chance. I believe more than half of forum wants Oscar gone, but not replaced with KDB. We had Mata once who was perfect stats #10 man. Perfect. But not for Mou system and that what is all about.

[Blue Colored Sky 1,807]

So Chelsea and Barcelona offers are 6m€ apart (28m€ to 34m€). Arda has agreement with Chelsea while Barcelona have agreement with Atletico.

Arda is ready and wants to join Chelsea very much but Chelsea are reluctant to match Barcelona offer. Atletico don't care where he join, just want to sell him for the biggest price.

Barcelona started negotiation with the player and are ready to match Chelsea offer. They want to turn his head and offer him 6 months loan to Galatasaray to convince him to join them.

Arda is here on the plate and wants to join Chelsea. Yet the club can't give additional 6m€ ... I'm fuming to be honest. It's the thrift shopping I'm talking about. Club were happy to spend those lacking 6m€ on Nathan or Kenedy but no, can't give more for first team player.

What the hell is this ? With such shit attitude I don't see any improvement going here.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

So Chelsea and Barcelona offers are 6m€ apart (28m€ to 34m€). Arda has agreement with Chelsea while Barcelona have agreement with Atletico.

Arda is ready and wants to join Chelsea very much but Chelsea are reluctant to match Barcelona offer. Atletico don't care where he join, just want to sell him for the biggest price.

Barcelona started negotiation with the player and are ready to match Chelsea offer. They want to turn his head and offer him 6 months loan to Galatasaray to convince him to join them.

Arda is here on the plate and wants to join Chelsea. Yet the club can't give additional 6m€ ... I'm fuming to be honest. It's the thrift shopping I'm talking about. Club were happy to spend those lacking 6m€ on Nathan or Kenedy but no, can't give more for first team player.

What the hell is this ? With such shit attitude I don't see any improvement going here.

While I agree we shouldnt just throw money away just because other clubs demand it, the Nathan point was nailed on.

I doubt Nathan or Kenedy will ever touch SB, yet we spent 12m or more on them. So they are here to bring more money eventualy.

That means we are ready to splash money to generate more money, but not splash the same amount of money to get more success (as bringing Arda or Begovic would certainly improve us but we are apparently short 6m for Arda and 2m for Begovic). Kinda absurd since FFP is even less threatening than ever.

[RoyalBlues 4,050]

So Chelsea and Barcelona offers are 6m apart (28m to 34m). Arda has agreement with Chelsea while Barcelona have agreement with Atletico.

Arda is ready and wants to join Chelsea very much but Chelsea are reluctant to match Barcelona offer. Atletico don't care where he join, just want to sell him for the biggest price.

Barcelona started negotiation with the player and are ready to match Chelsea offer. They want to turn his head and offer him 6 months loan to Galatasaray to convince him to join them.

Arda is here on the plate and wants to join Chelsea. Yet the club can't give additional 6m ... I'm fuming to be honest. It's the thrift shopping I'm talking about. Club were happy to spend those lacking 6m on Nathan or Kenedy but no, can't give more for first team player.

What the hell is this ? With such shit attitude I don't see any improvement going here.

If that is the case, we don't have to worry then. The most important thing in the deal was the player himself want to come.

[didierforever 7,349]

While I agree we shouldnt just throw money away just because other clubs demand it, the Nathan point was nailed on.

I doubt Nathan or Kenedy will ever touch SB, yet we spent 12m or more on them. So they are here to bring more money eventualy.

That means we are ready to splash money to generate more money, but not splash the same amount of money to get more success (as bringing Arda or Begovic would certainly improve us but we are apparently short 6m for Arda and 2m for Begovic). Kinda absurd since FFP is even less threatening than ever.

i dont think its about FFP, its about the image. arda for 25mil pounds is actually 5mil pounds too much. he is 28 and we should get value for the money. i am sure the club knows what its doing. we do put our success over the money. roman has said it in the past that he does not care about money but its about getting the image of the club. if push comes to shove, we will make those signings at whatever prices possible.

[LondonsFinest 692]

Doesn't matter if we spent that money on Kennedy, Nathan or whatever. This just proves that Arda is not a priority and we won't give in to big bucks transfers, unless they improve our squad majorly, which is admirable. Arda is amazing, don't get me wrong, but if the club don't feel the need to buy him, then there isn't a reason to just match the money Barca are paying. I'd rather we give 40 mil. to Liverpool and get Sterling, who may be overrated, but would improve our squad and has the room to develop even more, rather than give 30 mil. for Arda who we're not considering a priority and who we would be looking to replace in 2 years time. While I get, that It may sound paradoxical, look at it from a bussiness poin of view, 40 mil. for 5 years, 30 mil for 3? I know who'd I go with.

[didierforever 7,349]

Doesn't matter if we spent that money on Kennedy, Nathan or whatever. This just proves that Arda is not a priority and we won't give in to big bucks transfers, unless they improve our squad majorly, which is admirable. Arda is amazing, don't get me wrong, but if the club don't feel the need to buy him, then there isn't a reason to just match the money Barca are paying. I'd rather we give 40 mil. to Liverpool and get Sterling, who may be overrated, but would improve our squad and has the room to develop even more, rather than give 30 mil. for Arda who we're not considering a priority and who we would be looking to replace in 2 years time. While I get, that It may sound paradoxical, look at it from a bussiness poin of view, 40 mil. for 5 years, 30 mil for 3? I know who'd I go with.

while i do understand the point you are trying to make, i just have one question.

how exactly does arda not improve our squad but sterling does improve our squad?

also, we are bidding 28mil euros for arda (20mil pounds) (barca have bid 25mil). so it will be 25mil pounds for 3 years vs 50mil (pool wont sell sterling for 40mil considering they already have a team who is willing to bid 50mil) for 5 years with no guarantees of if he develops.

[Unionjack 7,531]

From what Ive been seeing on the guy I like him. And I think putting him,Costa,Falcao back together MIGHT just turn out as the matching of the decade.

The thing I'm worried about is we need to find some way of getting more shots on goal. It did my head in last year that we had games we actually made no shots on goal.

And while I do think he would help the team as far as teamwork he doesnt bring alot of goals to the table does he.

And I think we are going too much towards being the FFP monitors.Its got to the point where we are penny pinching £2mill for a keeper we need and doubtfully get a better one and hes going to sod off to the bleedin Mancs.

And moaning and bitching about overspending £5mill on a great player that would obviously help us alot. Its not like we are skint.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

while i do understand the point you are trying to make, i just have one question.

how exactly does arda not improve our squad but sterling does improve our squad?

also, we are bidding 28mil euros for arda (20mil pounds) (barca have bid 25mil). so it will be 25mil pounds for 3 years vs 50mil (pool wont sell sterling for 40mil considering they already have a team who is willing to bid 50mil) for 5 years with no guarantees of if he develops.

This is the Luke Shaw v Filipe Luis debate all over again.

With Shaw's first season at United not going so well, it's easy to say that Luis was a better option as he was cheaper and we might even recoup some of the transfer fee paid to Atletico. But what you've got with Shaw, like Sterling, is time to develop these players. If they don't develop they still have resale value, the younger they are the more likely other teams are likely to take a punt. As we've done by taking Falcao, despite seeing what he did (or rather, didn't*) do at United.

I'll always believe that the younger option is better, because you have to have faith that these young expensive players will develop how they should. It obviously depends on what you already have in your team, and this team is made up of a great mix of experience. Hazard, Matic, Fabregas & co now know what it's like to win the PL. Terry's been around forever and Courtois is coming into his own.

The average age of this squad is 26.9 iirc. Adding a 20-year old Sterling for £40m is a gamble, but it's not like we're in a position where we'd lose a lot if the gamble doesn't work out.. If that makes sense?

[MetsajCFC 1,255]

So Chelsea and Barcelona offers are 6m€ apart (28m€ to 34m€). Arda has agreement with Chelsea while Barcelona have agreement with Atletico.

Arda is ready and wants to join Chelsea very much but Chelsea are reluctant to match Barcelona offer. Atletico don't care where he join, just want to sell him for the biggest price.

Barcelona started negotiation with the player and are ready to match Chelsea offer. They want to turn his head and offer him 6 months loan to Galatasaray to convince him to join them.

Arda is here on the plate and wants to join Chelsea. Yet the club can't give additional 6m€ ... I'm fuming to be honest. It's the thrift shopping I'm talking about. Club were happy to spend those lacking 6m€ on Nathan or Kenedy but no, can't give more for first team player.

What the hell is this ? With such shit attitude I don't see any improvement going here.

34 million euros for a 28 year old is too much money, I'm glad Chelsea board isn't throwing money around, moreover Chelsea has been nothing short of brilliant in the transfer market for a long time now. I don't see why we shouldn't trust the board's judgement again, have faith and patience. It'd send out a wrong message, it would be very hard to negotiate a deal with any club in the future if we just give in all the time and throw extra millions in without thought.Plus I think we have more urgent worries than Arda's position we need to address - like a cover and suitable partner for Matic if Fabregas is played up field, proper backup for Courtois and so on.

[LondonsFinest 692]

while i do understand the point you are trying to make, i just have one question.

how exactly does arda not improve our squad but sterling does improve our squad?

also, we are bidding 28mil euros for arda (20mil pounds) (barca have bid 25mil). so it will be 25mil pounds for 3 years vs 50mil (pool wont sell sterling for 40mil considering they already have a team who is willing to bid 50mil) for 5 years with no guarantees of if he develops.

Arda will improve our squad, I'm not saying he won't, just that he has reached his maximum potential, so there won't be any major changes to his game, so unless he benches Oscar and starts scoring goals or having the games of his life, he wouldn't be an automatic starter here.

Sterling is yet to develop, fully, has adapted to the Premier League, is a player who'd be interesting and he may not get an automatic starting position, but given his potential and quality, would probably manage to make the RW/#10 role his. If he goes on to improve his trait of skills and his finishing mostly, he'd be an improvement in our squad, a great addition, who would always be a dangerous asset to have.

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I'm not denying Arda's ability, on the contrary, to me he is amazing, but as I've said, we'd probably be looking for a replacement for him sooner, rather than later, which would mean that splashing the cash him would be unnecessary, IF there are other options available. Sterling/Gotze/Griezmann are better choices to actually splash the cash on,imo.

[didierforever 7,349]

This is the Luke Shaw v Filipe Luis debate all over again.

With Shaw's first season at United not going so well, it's easy to say that Luis was a better option as he was cheaper and we might even recoup some of the transfer fee paid to Atletico. But what you've got with Shaw, like Sterling, is time to develop these players. If they don't develop they still have resale value, the younger they are the more likely other teams are likely to take a punt. As we've done by taking Falcao, despite seeing what he did (or rather, didn't*) do at United.

I'll always believe that the younger option is better, because you have to have faith that these young expensive players will develop how they should. It obviously depends on what you already have in your team, and this team is made up of a great mix of experience. Hazard, Matic, Fabregas & co now know what it's like to win the PL. Terry's been around forever and Courtois is coming into his own.

The average age of this squad is 26.9 iirc. Adding a 20-year old Sterling for £40m is a gamble, but it's not like we're in a position where we'd lose a lot if the gamble doesn't work out.. If that makes sense?

it does. BUT...

we can probably win the league with having cuadrado as the 4th AM. i can bet everything i have got that it will atleast be "very close". what we want is CL glory. look at hazard and how inefficient he has been in CL. i dont expect sterling to set the stage on fire at that big a stage. what arda does give to us is experience and the know how of doing it at the biggest of the stages.

lastly, IF sterling could have been bought for 40mil, it would be a bad guy, but thats not the case. sterling will end up being the most expensive english transfer at 50mil pounds (currently 70mil euros). thats a lot of pressure and burden for a 20 year old.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

it does. BUT...

we can probably win the league with having cuadrado as the 4th AM. i can bet everything i have got that it will atleast be "very close". what we want is CL glory. look at hazard and how inefficient he has been in CL. i dont expect sterling to set the stage on fire at that big a stage. what arda does give to us is experience and the know how of doing it at the biggest of the stages.

lastly, IF sterling could have been bought for 40mil, it would be a bad guy, but thats not the case. sterling will end up being the most expensive english transfer at 50mil pounds (currently 70mil euros). thats a lot of pressure and burden for a 20 year old.

Oh yeah I get that and I agree also. It's all good having a long-term vision, which is what Sterling would be, but short-term is also needed which is why Cuadrado is worth keeping around also. So it's sometimes difficult to judge how to pick one over the other, it really depends on the state of the current squad. It's well noted how I feel about Sterling's potential which is why I think he'd be a great idea over Arda. Keeping Willian & the Colombian as back ups. Let's not forget those 2 can also rotate with Hazard &/or Oscar so they'd be needed.

For the last point, yes you are right. You have to have a strong backbone to be able to not let a transfer fee phase you. Figo was one of the best to do it, moved for an enormous amount of money in hostile circumstances but appeared unphased at all. Torres on the other hand felt the weight of the world with being the British transfer record fee holder. But let's not forget that Mourinho will go to the death for his players & that could be enough for Sterling to be strong enough to carry that fee.

[didierforever 7,349]

Arda will improve our squad, I'm not saying he won't, just that he has reached his maximum potential, so there won't be any major changes to his game, so unless he benches Oscar and starts scoring goals or having the games of his life, he wouldn't be an automatic starter here.

Sterling is yet to develop, fully, has adapted to the Premier League, is a player who'd be interesting and he may not get an automatic starting position, but given his potential and quality, would probably manage to make the RW/#10 role his. If he goes on to improve his trait of skills and his finishing mostly, he'd be an improvement in our squad, a great addition, who would always be a dangerous asset to have.

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I'm not denying Arda's ability, on the contrary, to me he is amazing, but as I've said, we'd probably be looking for a replacement for him sooner, rather than later, which would mean that splashing the cash him would be unnecessary, IF there are other options available. Sterling/Gotze/Griezmann are better choices to actually splash the cash on,imo.

i honestly think arda will be an automatic starter.

hazard-willian/oscar-arda. that would be my first choice.

the point is not sterling's talent and adaptation. the point is how well he can carry the pressure of the costliest english player. the pressure of the media going gung-ho everytime he has a half bad game. if sterling had a season like his last one with us, after being sold for 50mil pounds, the medai would have a field day. i agree with what @LDNBLUE said that jose will do anything in his power to not let that happen but considering the numbers involved, the fact that arda would give us that X-factor instantanously, and the fact that we have a bunch of talented kids in the academy (boga, brown, musonda), i would not mind the 3 years of arda that much. 3 years now a days in football is a lifetime. also, contrary to the popular belief players dont go bad instantanouesly after 30. malouda was probably our player of the season in 09-10 and he was 31.

all said and done, i would love any player out of arda, raheem or gotze. i just dont want greizemann. 60 mil euros for a second striker/LW when what we actually want is a RW is just bad. i just understand people's obsession with antoine. he is a great goalscorer and a player but not what we are looking at or looking for.

[Mechromancer 262]

Well, his last season wasn't good at all, actually. So, the comparison with Filipe isn't that good. I mean, Luis was the best LB in La Liga and a crucial player in order to achieve the First Division title and be capable to play the Champions Final. Arda wasn't that important. They want his Brazilian back for a reason.

[WNDS 502]

Well, his last season wasn't good at all, actually. So, the comparison with Filipe isn't that good. I mean, Luis was the best LB in La Liga and a crucial player in order to achieve the First Division title and be capable to play the Champions Final. Arda wasn't that important. They want his Brazilian back for a reason.

???. Arda Turan was a VITAL component of the 2013-14 Atletico side (pretty much a Simeone 'untouchable'), and they missed him badly when he was unable to play in the CL final because of injury.

[nadavTKL 1,787]

So Chelsea and Barcelona offers are 6m€ apart (28m€ to 34m€). Arda has agreement with Chelsea while Barcelona have agreement with Atletico.

Arda is ready and wants to join Chelsea very much but Chelsea are reluctant to match Barcelona offer. Atletico don't care where he join, just want to sell him for the biggest price.

Barcelona started negotiation with the player and are ready to match Chelsea offer. They want to turn his head and offer him 6 months loan to Galatasaray to convince him to join them.

Arda is here on the plate and wants to join Chelsea. Yet the club can't give additional 6m€ ... I'm fuming to be honest. It's the thrift shopping I'm talking about. Club were happy to spend those lacking 6m€ on Nathan or Kenedy but no, can't give more for first team player.

What the hell is this ? With such shit attitude I don't see any improvement going here.

I seriously dont get why you dont post the source you read those news at... now everyone talk about it like its a fact, when no one knows who said that.

[LondonsFinest 692]

i honestly think arda will be an automatic starter.

hazard-willian/oscar-arda. that would be my first choice.

the point is not sterling's talent and adaptation. the point is how well he can carry the pressure of the costliest english player. the pressure of the media going gung-ho everytime he has a half bad game. if sterling had a season like his last one with us, after being sold for 50mil pounds, the medai would have a field day. i agree with what @LDNBLUE said that jose will do anything in his power to not let that happen but considering the numbers involved, the fact that arda would give us that X-factor instantanously, and the fact that we have a bunch of talented kids in the academy (boga, brown, musonda), i would not mind the 3 years of arda that much. 3 years now a days in football is a lifetime. also, contrary to the popular belief players dont go bad instantanouesly after 30. malouda was probably our player of the season in 09-10 and he was 31.

all said and done, i would love any player out of arda, raheem or gotze. i just dont want greizemann. 60 mil euros for a second striker/LW when what we actually want is a RW is just bad. i just understand people's obsession with antoine. he is a great goalscorer and a player but not what we are looking at or looking for.

Agree.

Both Raheem and Arda have their minuses and pluses, so I'd be happy with either.