Diego Costa

[bushman 2,043]

http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/chelsea-discussing-diego-costa-deal-value-40m-4014351?utm_source=main_feed

Will Jose or should he sanction Courtois sale?

[Reddish-Blue 2,345]

I would love to see how many chances he had plus his conversion rate cos believe me ANY strikwr (even our own nando) would score 20 ATLEAST if he had CR and bale on the wings, maria and modric in the mid plus a league like la liga. Heck, nando did score 22 last season too and assisted a good amount too.

The point still remains the same, benzema is wasteful, he would be MEGA costly and simply not someone who I would want leading chelsea's lines.

Out of Nando's 22 goals...only 8 of them came in the Premier League. THATS THE PROBLEM.

I can see why you don't want Benzema at Chelsea...but based on statistics, his shot accuracy is identical to Diego Costa...and he has created MORE CHANCES than Costa this season.

[bushman 2,043]

Out of Nando's 22 goals...only 8 of them came in the Premier League. THATS THE PROBLEM.

I can see why you don't want Benzema at Chelsea...but based on statistics, his shot accuracy is identical to Diego Costa...and he has created MORE CHANCES than Costa this season.

Are you sure Benzema´s shot accuracy is as Costa´s? Benzema has 5 chances per game & he cannot convert them if his life depended on it.

[didierforever 7,349]

Out of Nando's 22 goals...only 8 of them came in the Premier League. THATS THE PROBLEM.

I can see why you don't want Benzema at Chelsea...but based on statistics, his shot accuracy is identical to Diego Costa...and he has created MORE CHANCES than Costa this season.

Dude, when I used nando 22 goals in an argument, I think I made it clear that I DID NOT want stats specially his assists and goal when he is playing alongside CR, BALE, maria and modric.

The only thing I would be interested in seeing (as I said before) , be his chance conversion. And I will be shocked if his chanve conversion is as good as costa's.

[Beepu 1,714]

I think any deal including Courtouis should be out of the question, especially with costa. Just stump up the cash for his release clause and give torres as a freebie and thanks for developing our future goalie in the past 3 years.

[Pizy 18,368]

I think any deal including Courtouis should be out of the question, especially with costa. Just stump up the cash for his release clause and give torres as a freebie and thanks for developing our future goalie in the past 3 years.

Exactly. I'd rather just take our chances with Lukaku and forget about Costa than sell Courtois. Would be a massive mistake and there's no way we'd be so stupid. I hope.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

The source?

Just read somewhere, thats why I said apparantly...he decided to join spanish nt, maybe he wants to stay in spanish club, reason I think there might be some truth there, but could well be BS like most transfertalk nowdays...

[The Skipper 20,593]

Dude, when I used nando 22 goals in an argument, I think I made it clear that I DID NOT want stats specially his assists and goal when he is playing alongside CR, BALE, maria and modric.

The only thing I would be interested in seeing (as I said before) , be his chance conversion. And I will be shocked if his chanve conversion is as good as costa's.

So just because he plays next to good players we should totally ignore his assist or goal tally? That's ridiculous...

Anyway, no one is saying that Benzema has been more clinical than Costa, but it's stupid to think because someone's chance conversion rate is low that he's a bad finisher. For example, Luiz Suarez last season had a conversion rate of 12.29% - does that mean he's a bad finisher? Ronaldo has sub ~20% conversion rate too - does that also make him a bad finisher? Benzema's chance conversion rate is at 22% this year which isn't too bad at all, it's pretty decent, nowhere near as bad as you're trying to make him out to be - whilst Diego Costa's is at 28%.

Benzema's game is not all about goals either anyway, his game is very similar to what Eto'o does for us now only he's better, that's why he'd be a great signing for us IMO... I don't understand how anyone would "kill themselves" if we signed him when he fits our system to a tee.

[Sheva. 5,373]

Benzema is verrry inconsistent. He can be alright today, and very bad the next.

He's lucky to play for a team like Real Madrid, where he gets many chances to make up for his misses. Real will be so scary with a proper top striker.

[LAM09 6,744]

Not sure how games it was exactly, but I am sure Benzema went 20 games without scoring for France recently. Says it all to be fair!

[BlueLyon 9,359]

IMO Benzema is nicer guy, Costa is better striker. Choose what you want to lead our line.

[Eligius 121]

IMO Benzema is nicer guy, Costa is better striker. Choose what you want to lead our line.

Benzema a better striker, Costa is more hard working.

However, with our setup, a more hard working striker is needed.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Benzema a better striker, Costa is more hard working.

However, with our setup, a more hard working striker is needed.

Well in this case, Costa is still the better striker (for us atleast).

[didierforever 7,349]

So just because he plays next to good players we should totally ignore his assist or goal tally? That's ridiculous...

Anyway, no one is saying that Benzema has been more clinical than Costa, but it's stupid to think because someone's chance conversion rate is low that he's a bad finisher. For example, Luiz Suarez last season had a conversion rate of 12.29% - does that mean he's a bad finisher? Ronaldo has sub ~20% conversion rate too - does that also make him a bad finisher? Benzema's chance conversion rate is at 22% this year which isn't too bad at all, it's pretty decent, nowhere near as bad as you're trying to make him out to be - whilst Diego Costa's is at 28%.

Benzema's game is not all about goals either anyway, his game is very similar to what Eto'o does for us now only he's better, that's why he'd be a great signing for us IMO... I don't understand how anyone would "kill themselves" if we signed him when he fits our system to a tee.

He misses chances. He doea not fit our system like etoo, I would it would be more like torres. He is consistently in and out of games and simply fails to make ANY impact whatsoever when he is not having a good run. We don't need him. We need an impact player. Benzema is not that. Not even close. Its hilarious how much you are over-hyping him. Infact I would take costa, mandzukic, balotelli, cavani, falcao, rvp over him. I said I would kill myself if we sign him cos I simply can't see how he would be a greater impact than any of the above mentioned strikers. Infact I doubt if he ll be as good as a physically fit etoo has been for us.

If a player plays alongside great players, in a shit league, then more than his goals, his general play should be considered and compared with other striker. Cant see anyway and any area where he is better than costa and yet he would be much more costelier. Hence, I ll kill myself.

As far as finishing is concerned. You are missing the moment. Suarez and CR can havr a sub 10%, conversion rate and yet score 20 goals a season. They create so many chamces. Benzema does not. And he misses a buck load of chances. Not at suprised with the stats you gave. If u had told me to take a guess for benzema, I would have said 1 in 5 chances, while for costa I would have said 1 in 3/4. When said in percentages 6% barely seems anything but think about it in chances and there is a big difference.

[The Skipper 20,593]

He misses chances. He doea not fit our system like etoo, I would it would be more like torres. He is consistently in and out of games and simply fails to make ANY impact whatsoever when he is not having a good run. We don't need him. We need an impact player. Benzema is not that. Not even close. Its hilarious how much you are over-hyping him. Infact I would take costa, mandzukic, balotelli, cavani, falcao, rvp over him. I said I would kill myself if we sign him cos I simply can't see how he would be a greater impact than any of the above mentioned strikers. Infact I doubt if he ll be as good as a physically fit etoo has been for us.

If a player plays alongside great players, in a shit league, then more than his goals, his general play should be considered and compared with other striker. Cant see anyway and any area where he is better than costa and yet he would be much more costelier. Hence, I ll kill myself.

As far as finishing is concerned. You are missing the moment. Suarez and CR can havr a sub 10%, conversion rate and yet score 20 goals a season. They create so many chamces. Benzema does not. And he misses a buck load of chances. Not at suprised with the stats you gave. If u had told me to take a guess for benzema, I would have said 1 in 5 chances, while for costa I would have said 1 in 3/4.

His link up play/back to goal play is better than Costa's, and so is his ability to pick out a pass as his assists allude to every season. He's also a better dribbler. What Costa has over him is that he's more physical, a better work rate, more clinical finishing and more consistency but his general play is why I think he'd be a very good signing for us. He's also already used to playing in a Mourinho system so his integration wouldn't take that long, and he isn't like Torres, he's a technical CF just like Eto'o is, that was my point when I brought in the comparison. Torres relies on getting behind his defender with through balls whilst Benzema is intelligent with his play, linking up with those around him just like Eto'o does.

The only strikers I'd take over him in the list you provided is Suarez, Cavani and maybe Balo or Costa (I'd put him as equal with the latter two).

The only thing I'll knock Benzema for is his inconsistent finishing but as he matures even more he'll sort that out IMO (just like Suarez has), it's the only thing that's stopping him from getting 30 goals every season.

Costa scores 1 in 4 while Benzema gets 1 in 5. Their conversion rate is really not as different as you alluded to - you were speaking as if his conversion rate was more like 10% which it is not... And Benzema does create chances, he's always in double figures every season with his assists, that isn't even debatable.

EDIT:

I'm not trying to say we should sign Benzema over Costa or anything - just that he would still be a very good signing to make if he was available on the market, and that he isn't anywhere near as bad as you're trying to make him out to be. Certainly not worthy to kill yourself over if we did sign him. If he was as bad as you're trying to make him out to be Real would've shipped him out ages ago.

[iseah100 5,612]

He misses chances. He doea not fit our system like etoo, I would it would be more like torres. He is consistently in and out of games and simply fails to make ANY impact whatsoever when he is not having a good run. We don't need him. We need an impact player. Benzema is not that. Not even close. Its hilarious how much you are over-hyping him. Infact I would take costa, mandzukic, balotelli, cavani, falcao, rvp over him. I said I would kill myself if we sign him cos I simply can't see how he would be a greater impact than any of the above mentioned strikers. Infact I doubt if he ll be as good as a physically fit etoo has been for us.

If a player plays alongside great players, in a shit league, then more than his goals, his general play should be considered and compared with other striker. Cant see anyway and any area where he is better than costa and yet he would be much more costelier. Hence, I ll kill myself.

As far as finishing is concerned. You are missing the moment. Suarez and CR can havr a sub 10%, conversion rate and yet score 20 goals a season. They create so many chamces. Benzema does not. And he misses a buck load of chances. Not at suprised with the stats you gave. If u had told me to take a guess for benzema, I would have said 1 in 5 chances, while for costa I would have said 1 in 3/4. When said in percentages 6% barely seems anything but think about it in chances and there is a big difference.

Costa is perfect for us. Good finisher, we don't need the striker to make chances when we have Schurrle, Hazard, Oscar, Willian, Salah, Matic. We need a finisher who can link up with them, which Costa does with Koke, Turan, Rodriguez, Villa. Our style is very similar to Athletico, that's why he's a perfect fit. He's also very physical so playing in a physical league won't be a problem. It doesn't matter who we get; Falcao, Cavani, Mandzukic, Balotelli, Costa. The striker will not be the center piece to our attack and won't score 35 goals a year. We just need a consistent finisher. Costa is that.

[didierforever 7,349]

His link up play/back to goal play is better than Costa's, and so is his ability to pick out a pass as his assist allude to every season. He's also a better dribbler. What Costa has over him is a better work rate, more clinical finishing and more consistency but his general play is why I think he'd be a very good signing for us. He's also already used to playing in a Mourinho system so his integration wouldn't take that long, and he isn't like Torres, he's a technical CF just like Eto'o is, that was my point when I brought in the comparison. The only strikers I'd take over him in the list you provided is Suarez, Cavani and maybe Balo or Costa (I'd put him as equal with the latter two).

The only thing I'll knock Benzema for is his inconsistent finishing but as he matures even more he'll sort that out IMO (just like Suarez has), it's the only thing that's stopping him from getting 30 goals every season.

Costa scores 1 in 4 while Benzema gets 1 in 5. Their conversion rate is really not as different as you alluded to.

1 in 3/4 or 1 in 5 IS a big difference. This is PL. specially in a system where strikers don't get many chances and should be taking ones that they get.

Take yesterday for instance. Benzena shod have had a hat-trick in the first 10 minutes. He missed let sevilla be in the match and it costed RM their title probably. Pl is a leagur full of sevillas who are adept enough to punish teams who don't take their chances. Hence benzema changes nothing from which we already have.

He might get better but he might not. The point is with ushaving a chamce to Iimprove in that particular area, why would we again take a striker who can't takr his chamces. Specially when there are better options. How does that improve us. Its easier to learn to dribble or improve hold up play than to improve finishing. I would rather buy a striker that has goos finishing and can adept to our play than what benzema gives.

Again u go back to the number od assists!!!! When you have cr and bale alongside you that number WILL be great. Their movement, dribbling, shots, pace everythin is better than hazard/willian and I don't even include finishing here. Some of the "assists" that benzema givea has more of CR/bale magic than his "superlative" passing. And hia dribbling is defo not better than coata. I would say costa' s weord way of dribbling is one of his strengths.

Also its suprising that falcao, mandzukic is not included in your better than benzema list. Specially mandzukic. Hold up play, passing, counter attacking awarenesa, finishing, workrate. Except dor dribbling I won't give benzema an edge over mandzukic in anything. Specially since mandzukic has played in a system which we are looking to emulate. The high pressing, high tempo, letgal at counter attacking team of bayern of last season.

[didierforever 7,349]

Costa is perfect for us. Good finisher, we don't need the striker to make chances when we have Schurrle, Hazard, Oscar, Willian, Salah, Matic. We need a finisher who can link up with them, which Costa does with Koke, Turan, Rodriguez, Villa. Our style is very similar to Athletico, that's why he's a perfect fit. He's also very physical so playing in a physical league won't be a problem. It doesn't matter who we get; Falcao, Cavani, Mandzukic, Balotelli, Costa. The striker will not be the center piece to our attack and won't score 35 goals a year. We just need a consistent finisher. Costa is that.

Dude I was saying all that about benzema not costa..

Infact I was saying how costa, is better than benzema for US.