Cesc Fàbregas

[Barbara 15,149]

It's not really about Barcelona. It's about Arsenal. It's a delicate situation. Cesc's loyalty towards Arsenal would be kind of questionable if what Wenger alluded to was true. The thing is, Cesc couldn't appear to be too eager to move to Chelsea even if he was, because it would make him look like a disloyal cunt towards Arsenal. You're right that he's been very careful with his words, stressing that Arsenal had the first option but didn't take it, which contradicts Wenger's words that Cesc already made the choice by the time he was informed. Maybe Wenger's just trying to make himself look better in Arsenal fans' eyes, or maybe he's telling the truth. The old man really seems to be contradicting himself a bit.

Who knows what Cesc really thinks or feels, but at this point, he has to say all the right things about Arsenal.

It doesn't really matter now. Either way, he looks happy at Chelsea and really committed, and it's good enough to me.

It doesn't really matter much. He wasn't obliged to come to Chelsea. He made a decision. We have among our own, fans saying Lamps could have said 'no' to another English team if he wanted. Cesc could have said 'no' to us... He didn't. Many Arsenal fans don't care if Arsenal wanted/needed/ could have had him or not, the problem for them is Cesc wearing royal blue. Actually that's the problem most of the fans I came across have. They don't give a shit if he tried to go to Arsenal before or not. They're disgusted and gutted to see him here. I think you're putting a lot of weight on how professional athletes deal with club loyalty. This isn't that much common anymore, they're professionals, they make their decisions based on what's good or better for them, they don't give an actual fuck about what fans from other teams will say. So even if he felt like he would look like a disloyal cunt towards Arsenal, it won't influence his decisions because although it's nice to have the respect he has from Arse fans, it's too abstract, too linked to fantasy world. He wants to play in a team where he's valued, he wants to really compete for titles, he wants what's best for his family. That's Chelsea, not Arsenal. He knows that better than anyone. He's been praising Chelsea and Mourinho since he's here. He said all kind of amazing words about Mourinho just last week. Actually ever since his first interview as a Chelsea player he's been clear that what made his decision easy was talking to Mourinho. If he was interested in looking good for fans that really don't make a difference for him anymore (in a practical and pragmatic way) he wouldn't have praised Mourinho's approach. If that was really important he wouldn't have joined us...

Maybe he's trying to avoid extra judgment from Chelsea fans. You know there a lot of fans that haven't come around to seeing him here. Some let their residual dislike of him as a consequence of him being Arse's captain and symbol for so long. He'd always represented everything Arsenal, he'd made many things to enrage Chelsea fans in the past. He knew there would be some part of the fans that would take a long time to warm up to him. Maybe that's reason enough for him to lie or tell half truths that could be up to interpretation, but he's said with all words that Arsenal will always be special to him, that everything he is as a football player he owes it to Arsenal. That's not the easiest to make fans who spent so many years hating him to suddenly warm up. He could have done a much better job at pleasing both his old fans and his current fans, he seems diplomatic most time, which makes me believe he's mostly telling the truth. He could be worried about pleasing one side or the other, or not trying to upset too much any of the two sides, but he's said things to enrage both sides and to please both sides. At the end of the day, as you said, it doesn't matter when, how or why the decision was made.

He's here, Arsene could have stopped it from happening and that's the difference between the Voyeur and Mourinho. If Mourinho was at Arsenal and even if looked to his squad and saw that he didn't necessarily need Cesc, he still would have never allowed him to join a title contender, a rival. If he has the power to stop a rival from being stronger, he'll just do it, fuck the consequences or he'd deal with the consequences later. He would have brought Cesc there and would have found a way to make him work with both Ozil and Ramsey in the team. It's not like Ramsey doesn't miss tons of matches every season because of injuries... Mourinho doesn't think only about strengthening his teams, he also thinks about strengthening a team that could lead his rivals to drop points, but not his side (through loans) and also about now allowing his players to strengthen other teams (remember how he didn't want to keep Ba, but kept him because the only team really interested was Arsenal and he wouldn't strengthen them? And that's Ba who we're talking about here... not even marginally, comparable to Cesc's boots, let alone his value and quality as a player). Cesc was all but an Arsenal player because of the buy-back clause. Mourinho would have never allowed him to join a rival in those circumstances, even if he didn't have many plans for Cesc or if he had to sacrifice Ozil and Ramsey a little bit to make room for Cesc.

[Daniel1980 1,425]

Barbara, on 04 Oct 2014 - 03:27 AM, said:

It doesn't really matter much. He wasn't obliged to come to Chelsea. He made a decision. We have among our own, fans saying Lamps could have said 'no' to another English team if he wanted. Cesc could have said 'no' to us... He didn't. Many Arsenal fans don't care if Arsenal wanted/needed/ could have had him or not, the problem for them is Cesc wearing royal blue. Actually that's the problem most of the fans I came across have. They don't give a shit if he tried to go to Arsenal before or not. They're disgusted and gutted to see him here. I think you're putting a lot of weight on how professional athletes deal with club loyalty. This isn't that much common anymore, they're professionals, they make their decisions based on what's good or better for them, they don't give an actual fuck about what fans from other teams will say. So even if he felt like he would look like a disloyal cunt towards Arsenal, it won't influence his decisions because although it's nice to have the respect he has from Arse fans, it's too abstract, too linked to fantasy world. He wants to play in a team where he's valued, he wants to really compete for titles, he wants what's best for his family. That's Chelsea, not Arsenal. He knows that better than anyone. He's been praising Chelsea and Mourinho since he's here. He said all kind of amazing words about Mourinho just last week. Actually ever since his first interview as a Chelsea player he's been clear that what made his decision easy was talking to Mourinho. If he was interested in looking good for fans that really don't make a difference for him anymore (in a practical and pragmatic way) he wouldn't have praised Mourinho's approach. If that was really important he wouldn't have joined us...

Maybe he's trying to avoid extra judgment from Chelsea fans. You know there a lot of fans that haven't come around to seeing him here. Some let their residual dislike of him as a consequence of him being Arse's captain and symbol for so long. He'd always represented everything Arsenal, he'd made many things to enrage Chelsea fans in the past. He knew there would be some part of the fans that would take a long time to warm up to him. Maybe that's reason enough for him to lie or tell half truths that could be up to interpretation, but he's said with all words that Arsenal will always be special to him, that everything he is as a football player he owes it to Arsenal. That's not the easiest to make fans who spent so many years hating him to suddenly warm up. He could have done a much better job at pleasing both his old fans and his current fans, he seems diplomatic most time, which makes me believe he's mostly telling the truth. He could be worried about pleasing one side or the other, or not trying to upset too much any of the two sides, but he's said things to enrage both sides and to please both sides. At the end of the day, as you said, it doesn't matter when, how or why the decision was made.

He's here, Arsene could have stopped it from happening and that's the difference between the Voyeur and Mourinho. If Mourinho was at Arsenal and even if looked to his squad and saw that he didn't necessarily need Cesc, he still would have never allowed him to join a title contender, a rival. If he has the power to stop a rival from being stronger, he'll just do it, fuck the consequences or he'd deal with the consequences later. He would have brought Cesc there and would have found a way to make him work with both Ozil and Ramsey in the team. It's not like Ramsey doesn't miss tons of matches every season because of injuries... Mourinho doesn't think only about strengthening his teams, he also thinks about strengthening a team that could lead his rivals to drop points, but not his side (through loans) and also about now allowing his players to strengthen other teams (remember how he didn't want to keep Ba, but kept him because the only team really interested was Arsenal and he wouldn't strengthen them? And that's Ba who we're talking about here... not even marginally, comparable to Cesc's boots, let alone his value and quality as a player). Cesc was all but an Arsenal player because of the buy-back clause. Mourinho would have never allowed him to join a rival in those circumstances, even if he didn't have many plans for Cesc or if he had to sacrifice Ozil and Ramsey a little bit to make room for Cesc.

I agree with most of this, but there are still a lot of Arsenal fans who care about whether he "betrayed" them or not, whether he tried to return to Arsenal or not. As you say, many of them just hate him for wearing blue, but many of them still love him, or at least like him, and think "it's not his fault, leave him alone." And Fabregas is many things, but he's been always respectful towards his teams' fans. I'm sure he cares enough not to stomp all over their emotions even if he truly chose Chelsea over Arsenal.

For Costa and Luis it's much easier, because they haven't been Arsenal's captain and golden boy and they can say and do whatever they want, kiss the badge, say how much they wanted to play for Chelsea, how much they love Chelsea and so on. Cesc can't do any of that even if he wants to. I think we'll hear the words by the end of the season, but now he can't do any of that without it looking cheap and disloyal towards his former team. He has to be careful and say all the right things about Arsenal, whether he feels them or not. Don't get me wrong: I think he's been honest, but there are still some things he can't say at this point. That's why what Wenger alluded to might not be just a lie to make himself look better: that it was Cesc's choice to go to Chelsea, pure and simple, regardless of whether Arsenal needed him or not.

Either way, we'll never know for sure.

[Fulham Broadway 16,982]

Quite a few Arsenal will boo him on Sunday. They really are spastics.

[RoyalBlues 4,050]

Tomorrow is your day, Cesc.

[ZanSnake 1,211]

I will sing to the heavens if he scored against the Arse-null

[Shaan 263]

that taunt.. lol

[Elran 58]

That's why what Wenger alluded to might not be just a lie to make himself look better: that it was Cesc's choice to go to Chelsea, pure and simple, regardless of whether Arsenal needed him or not.

Either way, we'll never know for sure.

Indeed we'll never know for sure. However I like this article about how we signed him, gives Mourinho the credit:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2779889/How-Jose-Mourinho-outwitted-rivals-race-seduce-former-Barcelona-star-Cesc-Fabregas.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

[ZanSnake 1,211]

Indeed we'll never know for sure. However I like this article about how we signed him, gives Mourinho the credit:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2779889/How-Jose-Mourinho-outwitted-rivals-race-seduce-former-Barcelona-star-Cesc-Fabregas.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

Not hard to out-seduce Arsene.

Compare Jose's success in the last 9 years to Arsene's and then it will paint a certain pattern

[Jase 43,479]

Wouldn't it be funny if he scores against Arsenal, run over to their fans and kiss the badge? Or maybe, even run in front of Wenger and celebrate..

[KevinAshburner 1,270]

Wouldn't it be great if he scores against Arsenal, run over to their fans and kiss the badge? Or maybe, even run in front of Wenger and celebrate.

if I was in Cesc Fabregas Shoes or Body I would run over to Arsene Wenger and Hug Him and try to ask for a handshake from Wenger and then go and hug Jose Mourinho and then I would put up my right hand and wave to everybody Like everybody came to see me Cesc Fabregas and kiss The Chelsea FC Badge.

[BleedsBlue 1,549]

Wouldn't it be great if he scores against Arsenal, run over to their fans and kiss the badge? Or maybe, even run in front of Wenger and celebrate.

imagine if Lampard did the same. it'll be an emotional game for Fabregas,just hope it does not affect his performance.

[MrBlueGuy 1,552]

imagine if Lampard did the same. it'll be an emotional game for Fabregas,just hope it does not affect his performance.

Tbf that would actually be quite fun, just for the sake of banter. If we were 4-0 up that is...

[Barbara 15,149]

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11668/9502541/premier-league-jose-mourinho-insists-cesc-fabregas-made-the-right-decision-joining-chelsea

edit: more complete version on Guardian: http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/oct/03/jose-mourinho-cesc-fabregas-perfect-addition-chelsea-arsenal

Mourinho twisting the knife on their guts. love our boss

"I think he loves Chelsea already," the Chelsea boss told the Daily Star.

"He's so happy; the way he plays, the way he's a member of the squad, the way he lives in this little blue village.

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

Outrageous ball for Diego. Best vision in world football. Completely outshone that clown Ozil.

[Special Juan 27,554]

That ball for Diego was immense.

[bluesman2610 1,368]

Better than that pass for Diego was the tackle on Ozil in first half absolutely stuck him Ozil falls over and Fabregas starts a counter.. What a player!!

[kellzfresh 7,229]

The best eye for a pass in world football. No one can convince me otherwise. Incredible vision!! And has improved defensively too

[DYC. 7,542]

It was a composed and disciplined performance though not very impressive by Cesc until he played that pass. That's what top players do, provide you with that moment of magic. Happy Costa finished it.