Marco van Ginkel

[stroey 2,525]

Isn't MVG u-21? He's currently only 21 and will turn 22 in December.

Edit: found it, only those who are born after Jan 1993 will be counted as u-21.

[AndersonBLUE 819]

He's a good youngster but has done nothing remarkable apart from a few tackles. There are no glaring weaknesses in his game but he hasn't shown anything that could suggest he will be 'world class' either.

He will be a decent squad player (at best) in the years to come. Hope I eat my own words though

[Heisenberg 1,824]

I will be absolutely disgusted if he is loan out, because il will mean the end of his CFC career.Courtois is the exception that confirms the rule.

[Barbara 15,149]

He's a very promising player and one that has a bright future with us imo. He's young (not eligible to be an U-21 though) and he already shows to be very good, needing only some polishing - which is normal and expected. A loan would mean he could get tons of match time and come next season as a real backup for Matic, but I'd still be very sad if he left.

But unlike said above, I don't see how a loan would destroy his career here, if anything he has everything to have a loan history and comeback as successful as Courtois given his quality.

[Heisenberg 1,824]

He's a very promising player and one that has a bright future with us imo. He's young (not eligible to be an U-21 though) and he already shows to be very good, needing only some polishing - which is normal and expected. A loan would mean he could get tons of match time and come next season as a real backup for Matic, but I'd still be very sad if he left.

But unlike said above, I don't see how a loan would destroy his career here, if anything he has everything to have a loan history and comeback as successful as Courtois given his quality.

I have only analyzed our loan policy for our youngsters and concluded that 99.9999 % of them are not in CFC plans and have absolutely no future here after they are loaned, does that mean van Ginkel will for 100% end his CFC career if he goes out on loan ? No.

There is no absolution in what I want to say, but if Mourinho sees him as a promising player why would he go ? If he is dumped to another club it means he isnt that important for Mourinho as he sees Ramires fitting perfectly in his role of backing Matic, if he stays then he'll have a lot to give for us this season, and does not need more time to learn in another club.

[OneMoSalah 8,778]

Na why would we loan him? We'd go back to being short in midfield in my eyes. Matic, Mikel, Ramires, Oscar and Cesc for potentially 3 places if we play 4-3-3. As well Ramires will be the only really box to box midfield player (even though you could say Cesc is one now but I'd say hes more an advanced midfield player) so if Ramires gets injured then what? Mikel and Matic in the pivot? Can't see Jose loaning him. Honestly selling Cech would make solve a lot of problems.

[Bir_CFC 3,455]

Matic, Cesc with Mikel and Ramires as backups. You'd think one more is also needed at a minimum for rotation and if we need to play 4-3-3. Doesn't make sense to loan him out.

[Barbara 15,149]

I have only analyzed our loan policy for our youngsters and concluded that 99.9999 % of them are not in CFC plans and have absolutely no future here after they are loaned, does that mean van Ginkel will for 100% end his CFC career if he goes out on loan ? No.

There is no absolution in what I want to say, but if Mourinho sees him as a promising player why would he go ? If he is dumped to another club it means he isnt that important for Mourinho as he sees Ramires fitting perfectly in his role of backing Matic, if he stays then he'll have a lot to give for us this season, and does not need more time to learn in another club.

He has a higher ceiling than Mikel and Ramires put together. He's an amazing player already (to his age) and an excellent prospect. Not all our loaned players are doomed, only the ones that given the chance to continue their development somewhere else didn't show what it takes to be a Chelsea player because of their quality. If they show somewhere else to be good enough or nearly good enough to come back here, they will. I agree playing elsewhere and a different club (and many times different league) every season disrupts a bit their development, but he's already 21, will turn 22 later this year and it means he's going somewhere else just to get important minutes. I'd loan him to a good English side (he won't be able to play against us) if we're adamant on loaning. I'd rather keep him - but I'm not sure that's the best option for his future here.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Maybe Mou is loaning him out so he can buy another non-HG player?

I just have feeling we will buy one more player before end of august, not sure if we need it though, unless its striker.

[RoyalBlues 4,050]

It's a shame, van Ginkel most likely will go on loan. I think Moses too, so maybe Baker in? we're quite thin in CM position now.

[The only place to be 11,313]

Be annoyed if he went out on loan and John Unflushable Mikel stuck around for his passport.

For me he's fourth-choice midfielder behind Matic, Cesc and Rami. Plenty of minutes to be had and is probably one of the most-rounded young midfielders around.

In terms of letting foreign players go then he's behind Mikel, Cech, Torres and possibly even Salah for me.

[zolayes 14,489]

It's a shame, van Ginkel most likely will go on loan. I think Moses too, so maybe Baker in? we're quite thin in CM position now.

Moses is HG so likely to stay

[Daniel1980 1,425]

Maybe Mou is loaning him out so he can buy another non-HG player?

I just have feeling we will buy one more player before end of august, not sure if we need it though, unless its striker.

Yeah, I can think only of that reason. I love MvG, but if it means we buy a striker, I'd choose a striker. We're more vulnerable in that area.

[dee25 1,044]

Yeah, I can think only of that reason. I love MvG, but if it means we buy a striker, I'd choose a striker. We're more vulnerable in that area.

I guess so, but that would leave us thin in central midfield. Last season in addition to Frank, Ramires, Mikel and Matic we also had Luiz who played a lot of games in that position.

Honestly the more I think about it, it was such a silly idea re-signing Drogba. If Mourinho wanted Drogba back then it should have been conditional to Torres leaving. Can't have two non-homegrown players taking up two foreign spots when they're not good enough to be in the squad. If the club aren't prepared to cut their loses with Torres, fair enough but now they've complicated things by adding Drogba because we're having to scrounge around looking for players (that are actually needed) to offload in order to compensate for his inclusion. Just silly.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Where is everyone getting the idea that he will loaned out from? No one has even posted a single link to anything, let alone something reliable.

[iseah100 5,612]

Where is everyone getting the idea that he will loaned out from? No one has even posted a single link to anything, let alone something reliable.

http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2014/08/14/chelsea-midfielder-could-be-loaned-out-this-season-reveals-agent/

Apparently his agent said so.

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

I guess so, but that would leave us thin in central midfield. Last season in addition to Frank, Ramires, Mikel and Matic we also had Luiz who played a lot of games in that position.

Honestly the more I think about it, it was such a silly idea re-signing Drogba. If Mourinho wanted Drogba back then it should have been conditional to Torres leaving. Can't have two non-homegrown players taking up two foreign spots when they're not good enough to be in the squad. If the club aren't prepared to cut their loses with Torres, fair enough but now they've complicated things by adding Drogba because we're having to scrounge around looking for players (that are actually needed) to offload in order to compensate for his inclusion. Just silly.

It wouldn't leave us thin at all. We have Matic, Fabergas, Ramires, Mikel and even Ake for 2 positions. We only used more players last year because we lacked quality. Matic and Fabergas weren't with us at the start of last year and will be our regulars there. You don't need 5 or 6 players for 2 positions. 4 is plenty. I do agree with you that I find the Drogba signing puzzling if Torres is staying. Neither is good enough to be or #2 striker and having 2 #3 strikers is odd for a team with the resources and ambitions we have.

[stroey 2,525]

http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2014/08/14/chelsea-midfielder-could-be-loaned-out-this-season-reveals-agent/

Apparently his agent said so.

Probably made up, couldN't find the original article on nu.nl or other Dutch news sites.