The only place to be 11,313 Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 People who keep saying how a striker would not make a difference - should ask themselves where Liverpool would be with a forward line of Ba/Eto'o/Torres. They should ask themselves where PSG would be if they didn't have Zlatan/Lavezzi/Cavani and had our Eto'o/Ba/Torres instead.Should ask themselves would United win the League last season if they had Ba and Torres instead of on form RvP. Because people want to lay the blame on Jose, or the lack of creativity. Others simply like to moan no matter how nonsensical it sounds (lionsden for example). Some just have an agenda against Jose (rubber bullets) whilst others have simply gone full-henrique.It's why we have the stupid 'success or failure' thread when we're in a building process whose results won't be seen until next season. Spoilt, myopic fans who want everything now and don't understand that the mistakes of the past can't be solved overnight.No one is saying that though. What people are trying to convey is that a good strike force would just paper over the long term cracks - a good strike force would've definitely put us in a better position for trophies this year but the problems in the squad run deeper than that.And what others are trying to convey is that a competent striker completely changes the way teams play. EVERYONE on the pitch has more space, more time, more options when there is a legitimate threat up-top.A great striker changes the system around them, he demands the ball and reliefs pressure from midfielders and defenders; he exerts confidence and boosts spirit. Our issues within the squad are no way as bad as United's issues last year.Spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polo7 3,496 Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 We were piss poor second half yesterday. But on the rare occasions it looked like we could pull something off Torres ruined it. Dont understand the mentality of "oh a new striker would only paper over the cracks" No getting rid of Torres will improve us a 100 fold. He isnt our only problem but he is a big big problem. oldportblue and The only place to be 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo11bluecl 207 Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 We were piss poor second half yesterday. But on the rare occasions it looked like we could pull something off Torres ruined it. Dont understand the mentality of "oh a new striker would only paper over the cracks" No getting rid of Torres will improve us a 100 fold. He isnt our only problem but he is a big big problem.What cracks? crack that we doesn't have a Vidal as our other CDM? Or Courtois over Cech? Because the rest of the team as far as I can see are up there along with top 10 starting 11 in Europe. Or is the crack the manager? Who is one of the greatest in history(albeit with annoying traits somewhat and sometime irritating tactics) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionsden 4,689 Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 To summarise it. Torres is crap but so is our build up play and attacking fluency/cohesion. A top striker will likely score more goals but will not necessarily solve the underlying issue. it's a tactical issue not an individual one. Although having the right quality/players does help to solve the issue. laura90 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 And what others are trying to convey is that a competent striker completely changes the way teams play. EVERYONE on the pitch has more space, more time, more options when there is a legitimate threat up-top.I'm not disagreeing with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 To summarise it. Torres is crap but so is our build up play and attacking fluency/cohesion. A top striker will likely score more goals but will not necessarily solve the underlying issue. it's a tactical issue not an individual one.The build up play is linked to the striker. How do you not understand this? But even if we do have tactical issues we have the best man in the job to work on them, unless you want to start a Mourinho Out chant at the Bridge this weekend? Go on, money where your mouth is. Mohammed Seif 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eligius 121 Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 A great striker changes the system around them, he demands the ball and reliefs pressure from midfielders and defenders; he exerts confidence and boosts spirit. Our issues within the squad are no way as bad as United's issues last year.WHAT......Fergie built the system so RVP could succeed. Messi is perfect for the barcelona system.Cristiano plays in a system where it utilizes his best attributes. City built a system for the strikers...Liverpool build a system for Suarez/Daniel to succceed. Sorry guys, Drogba was the exception along with Cavani and Lewandowski. Most teams play for the striker to succeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 I think between him and rubber bullets they probably will start the Jose out chant. The only place to be 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionsden 4,689 Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 Why does this dog keep barking despite being constantly and deliberately ignored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 Why does this dog keep barking despite being constantly and deliberately ignored.Why does any dog bark at a little bitch? Woof! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vybz Kartel 1,613 Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 Van persie papered over the midfield problems of Man Utd last season and we are in for a stack reality if you think a striker is the solution to our problems lionsden 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 Van persie papered over the midfield problems of Man Utd last season and we are in for a stack reality if you think a striker is the solution to our problemsThat is very true. United didn't solve their underlying problems, whereas we actually seem to be identifying the issues and solving them at a pace that's dependent on when the players are available and when they fit into our budget.Jose has only been here for 10 months. In Rodgers first season he finished 7th. In his second he could finish higher....why are Liverpool fans able to be patient when you're not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionsden 4,689 Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 A great striker changes the system around them, he demands the ball and reliefs pressure from midfielders and defenders; he exerts confidence and boosts spirit. Our issues within the squad are no way as bad as United's issues last year.Go ahead and give examples. if you are going to make outlandish claims then you must be able to back it up.great strikers aren't magician or superheroes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vybz Kartel 1,613 Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 That is very true. United didn't solve their underlying problems, whereas we actually seem to be identifying the issues and solving them at a pace that's dependent on when the players are available and when they fit into our budget.Jose has only been here for 10 months. In Rodgers first season he finished 7th. In his second he could finish higher....why are Liverpool fans able to be patient when you're not?I raised that point not to critisize Mourinho rather some fans seem to think buying a Costa will solve all our problems. I know Torres is terrible but our midfield barely creates chances for our strikers. At least back in 2011 he was missing open goals and chances were aplenty, now we cant say the same. Even Etoo look at most of his goals they are self made. Although hazard has helped him too. Its not a coincedence that both Oscar and Willian have less assists than Hazard between t Azpinator and laura90 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo11bluecl 207 Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 Go ahead and give examples. if you are going to make outlandish claims then you must be able to back it up.great strikers aren't magician or superheroes.Actually I kinda agree with him, it really is. Sturridge and Suarez are as good examples as you can see. Now they are soon to be highest scoring duo in BPL history apparently. That DEFINITELY had a massive say in their position now. Diego Costa clear example as day, Atletico would be going no where if they had Demba Ba leading the line now.They aren't magician or superheroes but they can be very important, sometime even making a team from aiming to finish 4th to winning the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANDRECHO 432 Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 shit player Mohammed Seif, mediator, Styles and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionsden 4,689 Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 Actually I kinda agree with him, it really is. Sturridge and Suarez are as good examples as you can see. Now they are soon to be highest scoring duo in BPL history apparently. That DEFINITELY had a massive say in their position now. Diego Costa clear example as day, Atletico would be going no where if they had Demba Ba leading the line now.They aren't magician or superheroes but they can be very important, sometime even making a team from aiming to finish 4th to winning the league.You are making a totally different and completely irrelevant point. The question was give examples of great strikers "changing the system around them" not whether great strikers do score goals that helps their team achieve success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo11bluecl 207 Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 You are making a totally different and completely irrelevant point. The question was give examples of great strikers "changing the system around them" not whether great strikers do score goals that helps their team achieve success.Tbf they do like we are experiencing, can we play fast counter attacking with a dude whose knee got whatever is kept in it or someone who can't even run past another person, let alone a defender? Getting into goal scoring positions...etc that CHANGES A LOT. LIKE yesterday, Schurrle played meant we virtually had no one up top, effectively playing 4-6-0. Literally did because he was never seen in the box to receive the passes or crosses.Same with Liverpool, they need pace to play in their system, can they do that with Ba or Torres? Not a chance. I know strikers mean nothing if you have the likes of Damian Duff supporting but sometime they can improve others around them. Jordan Henderson now top 10 mid the league thanks to those 2 ST. Gerrard can now play those holy wood passes even more often because Sturridge always make run, likewise with Sterling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionsden 4,689 Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 Tbf they do like we are experiencing, can we play fast counter attacking with a dude whose knee got whatever is kept in it or someone who can't even run past another person, let alone a defender? Getting into goal scoring positions...etc that CHANGES A LOT. LIKE yesterday, Schurrle played meant we virtually had no one up top, effectively playing 4-6-0. Literally did because he was never seen in the box to receive the passes or crosses.Same with Liverpool, they need pace to play in their system, can they do that with Ba or Torres? Not a chance. I know strikers mean nothing if you have the likes of Damian Duff supporting but sometime they can improve others around them. Jordan Henderson now top 10 mid the league thanks to those 2 ST. Gerrard can now play those holy wood passes even more often because Sturridge always make run, likewise with Sterling.No but that just means that we don't have a striker that suits the current system . that's totally different from one player singlehandedly changing how a team plays. for example, will the purchase of Costa automatically turn us into a team capable of calving open parked defences at will like christmas turkey?. Not imo. It might make us more efficient and hopefully win more games perhaps but wouldn't necessarily alter the dynamic and outlook of the team. laura90 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo11bluecl 207 Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 No but that just means that we don't have a striker that suits the current system . that's totally different from one player singlehandedly changing how a team plays. for example, will the purchase of Costa automatically turn us into a team capable of calving open parked defences at will like christmas turkey?. Not imo. It might make us more efficient and hopefully win more games perhaps but wouldn't necessarily alter the dynamic and outlook of the team.Actually yes indeed, that is EXACTLY why he will be bought. Against Athlect(spelling) last week or Granada, do you know who scored those important goals? Countless times this season too against parked the bus defense. Of course he is not gonna bang it in from 30 yards or whatever, but he will be able to win that header from the corner and score which is what none of our striker have been able to do for God know how long.Of course he is not gonna change completely so we are not gonna move to tiki taka even if we bought Messi...etc. Actually your last point is spot on, I understand your view now and it is right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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