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CHOULO19

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  1. 1. Rafa Out?


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I agree that he didn't approach it properly. This all came to a head when he should have addressed the issues honestly from day one. Too many times he simply gave soundbites and weaselled his way out of giving honest answers, and then explodes in a press conference. I still think he's been getting all the fans' frustrations for a multitude of problems, much like Emenalo, Gourlay and to a lesser extent Buck.

The song (which is shit as I've said many times before, doesn't make sense and doesn't actually feel good to sing) crops up far more away from home than at home. Then there's the booing (before his first game it was moronic in my opinion) and some of the banners.

People like to pretend they have an impact on the players when they chant and make these banners, otherwise why would they do it? To then deny any impact when it suits you is a little disingenuous isn't it? We hold the scousers to the same logic don't we? They praise the almighty power of the Kop when it suits them then blame the team, coach, board...anyone when things go wrong. I'd rather we didn't go down the same route.

I think you give too many fans the credit of being able to differentiate between them all, some of them haven't the faintest at how the club operates, the thoughts are possibly limited to we hate scousers, he said some bad stuff about us, he managed them and lives there still. It's a bonus to them that he just happens to be a s**t manager. I agree the song is a poor effort. The banners, personally I think the banners are just as much about personal attention as they are about protest. Some bloke holding up a Rafa Out banner stood behind him or near the corner flag just when the TV camera's are about to flash over there, 'look at me, that's me that is'. Some of them are placed with genuine feeling I'm sure.

Would I hold one up, usually no, but I am thinking of having two tomorrow. The first one saying 'don't blame Rafa, blame me' the second one's going to say 'on no don't blame me, blame him' with a big arrow pointing to the bloke next to me! :dance:

In an ideal world, yes. There you would have both the time to choose the right person and that person would be available and willing.

In reality it was a bit different.

However, now, he has made the decision for Rafa and apparently doesn't want to sack another manager. Its the only reason I can think of why Rafa has survived his little speech. We will have to sit it out anyway.

If he were to sack him, that would be a total defeat of Romans strategy. He would sustain extra reputation damage and an extra cost. Furthermore, the one he wants probably isn't available now, so strategy-wise he is just sticking with Rafa and sitting it out.

What are the alternatives (and I don't mean from YOUR perspective but from the boards/Romans).

Ps: don't get me wrong. I wanted Rafa out for a loooooooong while now.

Personally I think the board have called TFSW's bluff and that may be for them to save face, by that I mean it'll go off tomorrow with torrents of abuse being hurled at him and it'll be genuinely unpleasant. The board can and will make a politically correct statement saying how 'the fans have spoken, his positions untenable etc, etc' and they'll sack him. The fans get the blame, the board may mitigate some responsibility, some will buy this. However they appointed the numpty in the first place, mis-judging the level of ill-feeling almost completely. They also didn't realise at how poor a manager he is and his manipulative ways plus his unjustified high opinion of himself.

They are responsible for the mess, I hold some of them in as much contempt as I hold TFSW.

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The only place to be

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I think you give too many fans the credit of being able to differentiate between them all, some of them haven't the faintest at how the club operates, the thoughts are possibly limited to we hate scousers, he said some bad stuff about us, he managed them and lives there still. It's a bonus to them that he just happens to be a s**t manager. I agree the song is a poor effort. The banners, personally I think the banners are just as much about personal attention as they are about protest. Some bloke holding up a Rafa Out banner stood behind him or near the corner flag just when the TV camera's are about to flash over there, 'look at me, that's me that is'. Some of them are placed with genuine feeling I'm sure.

Would I hold one up, usually no, but I am thinking of having two tomorrow. The first one saying 'don't blame Rafa, blame me' the second one's going to say 'on no don't blame me, blame him' with a big arrow pointing to the bloke next to me! :dance:

Personally I think the board have called TFSW's bluff and that may be for them to save face, by that I mean it'll go off tomorrow with torrents of abuse being hurled at him and it'll be genuinely unpleasant. The board can and will make a politically correct statement saying how 'the fans have spoken, his positions untenable etc, etc' and they'll sack him. The fans get the blame, the board may mitigate some responsibility, some will buy this. However they appointed the numpty in the first place, mis-judging the level of ill-feeling almost completely. They also didn't realise at how poor a manager he is and his manipulative ways plus his unjustified high opinion of himself.

They are responsible for the mess, I hold some of them in as much contempt as I hold TFSW.

That's the type of banner I can get behind. I might print up a T-Shirt for my mate which says 'I HAVE AGENDA IDENTITY ISSUES' or something equally excruciating.

As for the board, I think this comes down to Roman and his desire to get Pep. Everything seemed geared towards next year and he got an almighty slap in the face when he turned him down. We can blame the 'yes men' but they're limited in what they can do simply because Roman is the man at the end of the day - things will be run as he wants them to be run and no-one will change that. That has it's upsides and it's downsides, but I'm of the mind that in the long-run it'll be for the good.

But he messed up here. You're right in that they miscalculated Benitez's ability (although he's being asked to be a caretaker when he probably works best with more time and power to change things) and the fans' feelings towards him. It's very easy to overlook 6 months when you're planning long-term, but these last 100 days have dragged and it doesn't help that there's been a new story almost everyday.

It's why I was probably more relieved on Wednesday than angry. He might've said disrespectful things but all I heard was 'I'M LEAVING IN MAY, I'M LEAVING IN MAY.....'

and then I went and re-watched every touch Nathan Ake had of the ball. :D

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We Hate Scouse

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Rafa Out?

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Name and shame!

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Santiago.

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Yeah, we should totally degrade them for having an opinion. The Fuckers

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Why should they be 'shamed'? They may have perfectly valid reasons for their vote or questions about who exactly would replace Benitez. Or they may have voted some time ago and not got around to changing their vote (which is something I did).

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Manuf

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all those names..

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Special Juan

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What reference does that have to do with the fact that we should 'shame' our members for having an opinion that conflicts with yours?

Well everyone is getting blamed, the fans, the board why not the members.....Let's blame everyone to keep with the theme of late shall we?

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Wow.. It's unfortunate that a lot of people have viewed this as an attack on the fans, really short sighted and.. I rarely use this term but downright dumb and blinkered.

I don't think he is in the wrong for telling some home truths there, I agree with what he said. We, as fans, should support out team at the games, he said not to worry about him 'ok rafa thanks for letting us know so we can concentrate on supporting the team as we know you won't be here' that is as fans that we need to say.

Not here to pick an argument nor will I most likely reply to anyone quoting me, just my opinion.

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Special Juan

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Like I said, when he first came he was asked about fan reaction and he stated it wouldn't bother him and he is focused on the team. Then, come Wednesday, he has having a go at the so called fans with an agenda. Nothing different to what we seen on his arrival, yet he pipes up with all that last Wednesday.

The supporters are supporting the team, always have done, and always do. Rafa has a choice here, he either sees past it like he said he was going too or he fucks off.

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I thought we had democracy here

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zolayes

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very interesting

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