Muzchap 8,966 Posted September 16, 2012 Author Share Posted September 16, 2012 Sadly, people tend to forget the positives. The team needs to gel. I expect a top 4 this year, and maybe a win in the FA cup or World Cup. Those two would be enough for me.We haven't played a decent team yet!The only decent team we have played spanked us 4-1...Keep up with the delusions of grandeur all you like, but this thread is discussing the inherent lack of subjective decision making by RDM.Defensive against QPR is not title contending or any Cup winning form - its survival and we used a lot of our Luck up last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowan_Osborn 58 Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 We haven't played a decent team yet!The only decent team we have played spanked us 4-1...Keep up with the delusions of grandeur all you like, but this thread is discussing the inherent lack of subjective decision making by RDM.Defensive against QPR is not title contending or any Cup winning form - its survival and we used a lot of our Luck up last year I seem to remember us doing well for our first four games last year as well, drawing to Stoke and then winning the other three. After that we got spanked 3-1 at Old Trafford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppen 934 Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 We haven't played a decent team yet!The only decent team we have played spanked us 4-1...Keep up with the delusions of grandeur all you like, but this thread is discussing the inherent lack of subjective decision making by RDM.Defensive against QPR is not title contending or any Cup winning form - its survival and we used a lot of our Luck up last year How am I delusive? What makes me delusive and not you? Am I not entitled to my opinion just as much as you are? I think so. Newcastle were a decent a team. Granted, they didn't have their best game, but they spanked us last year. By the way, I have not said anything about us playing well. All I asked for was not to always focus on the negatives. Of course there will be things to work on with the new squad. And we saw last year that we need one hell of an overhaul. We have bought some very promising players, and I think that they will contribute to great things in the long run. I understand people may be lacking understanding to RDM's decision making. But all I am asking for is time. Nothing more. As I mentioned earlier we will see if he is in fact the right manager later. It's too early now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzchap 8,966 Posted September 16, 2012 Author Share Posted September 16, 2012 How am I delusive? What makes me delusive and not you? Am I not entitled to my opinion just as much as you are? I think so.Newcastle were a decent a team. Granted, they didn't have their best game, but they spanked us last year. By the way, I have not said anything about us playing well. All I asked for was not to always focus on the negatives. Of course there will be things to work on with the new squad. And we saw last year that we need one hell of an overhaul. We have bought some very promising players, and I think that they will contribute to great things in the long run. I understand people may be lacking understanding to RDM's decision making. But all I am asking for is time. Nothing more. As I mentioned earlier we will see if he is in fact the right manager later. It's too early now.Chill....It's not personal...You're saying you expect top 4 and a Cup... I'm saying if we keep playing formations al a QPR then we are all deluded if we think that's on the cards...Delusion of Grandeur is a term - not a personal insult Anyway, watching Spuds v Reading and they are spanking Reading... with an attacking mentality and playing with wingers - really wish we'd have played like this yesterday...Studge is easily as good, if not better than Defoe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzchap 8,966 Posted September 16, 2012 Author Share Posted September 16, 2012 I seem to remember us doing well for our first four games last year as well, drawing to Stoke and then winning the other three. After that we got spanked 3-1 at Old Trafford.Yup - and then the Arsenal fiasco... Just cannot go through that again.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamiCFC9 258 Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Im kinda pissed off with RDM's coward starting 11's ... CMON MAN Lampard ? Really ?Ramires and Bertrand .. against fuking QPHAHA /facepalm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 We haven't played a decent team yet! Exactly. So why make judgments already when we are yet to play a 'big' match this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
November33rd 84 Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Exactly. So why make judgments already when we are yet to play a 'big' match this season?So Atletico wasn't a good team?Or are we just going to completely forget about that match because it contradicts your argument?If we had won I certainly bet you all would be using a victory against a good Atletico team to support your argument. But since we didn't you can conveniently brush aside the result as if it never happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppen 934 Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Chill....It's not personal...You're saying you expect top 4 and a Cup... I'm saying if we keep playing formations al a QPR then we are all deluded if we think that's on the cards...Delusion of Grandeur is a term - not a personal insult Anyway, watching Spuds v Reading and they are spanking Reading... with an attacking mentality and playing with wingers - really wish we'd have played like this yesterday...Studge is easily as good, if not better than Defoe...You quoted me, so I think it must be a tad bit personal .I'm agreeing with you regarding the line up. We can't keep playing like that. But let's discuss whether or not RDM is the right man for Chelsea in a few months, that's all I'm saying . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edetarod 2,155 Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 we will never play attractive football under RDM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzchap 8,966 Posted September 16, 2012 Author Share Posted September 16, 2012 Not personal - but quoting helps keep it in context Agree - it possibly is way too early.. I want RDM to succeed BTW - i loved him as a player... and as a person he is great, just hope he makes that next step... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzchap 8,966 Posted September 16, 2012 Author Share Posted September 16, 2012 Exactly. So why make judgments already when we are yet to play a 'big' match this season?Atletico Madrid....And they aren't even considered as good as Real or Barca.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzchap 8,966 Posted September 16, 2012 Author Share Posted September 16, 2012 So Atletico wasn't a good team?Or are we just going to completely forget about that match because it contradicts your argument?If we had won I certainly bet you all would be using a victory against a good Atletico team to support your argument. But since we didn't you can conveniently brush aside the result as if it never happened.Awesome post - couldn't have said it better myself... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutcho 8,443 Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 So Atletico wasn't a good team?Or are we just going to completely forget about that match because it contradicts your argument?If we had won I certainly bet you all would be using a victory against a good Atletico team to support your argument. But since we didn't you can conveniently brush aside the result as if it never happened.Atletico is a good team yes. Falcoa is one of the best strikers in the world, however the match was not that big as it was a supercup match. We have also played Man city which is a community shield match. Both big freindly matches with a trophy at the end... Man city is a better team than Atletico madrid but we haven't had a big match this season imo...To clarify imo we have played big teams, but we haven't played big matches. Juve in the champions league is a Big match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppen 934 Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Not personal - but quoting helps keep it in context Agree - it possibly is way too early.. I want RDM to succeed BTW - i loved him as a player... and as a person he is great, just hope he makes that next step...So we basically wish for the same thing to happen. RDM to succeed, to scrap the overload of defensive players against teams we should be able to cope with like QPR, and for us to be a top contender for the Premiership. Glad we got that sorted out mate . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheva. 5,373 Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 The big games are coming thick and fast now with Juve, Arsenal, Spurs, Man utd and Liverpool soon. Then we will have a clear indication of RDM, his tactics and the squad in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kojo 4,676 Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 I said before Robbie got the contract, that he is untested in two things, and these two things are VITAL for a top manager to have.Wise in the market... As i like to call it, i think he's been fairly poor here, instead of solving out the double pivot problems, he went on to buy three attackers and a right back. He also should've bought a striker. Instead we let the likes of Raul Meireles and Michael Essien go, and keep John Obi Mikel, who will never be able to play in this system. Frank Lampard also, he cannot play in double pivot, end of. And then we have Oriol Romeu, very talented kid and very underrated by the fans on here, but he doesn't play anymore. And it's not wise to have him as our only back up for DM. The double pivot is what will be the death of us this season I'm afraid. Just like last season when we had the wrong players to play 4-3-3, we now have the same thing with 4-3-2-1. I can see us changing formation but in a panic scenario unfortunately.Philosophy... Last season we played 4-2-3-1 under Robbie, but it wasn't really a system it was just putting players in positions and telling them to do this, now this is our consistent formation and we are playing to win games and play attractive football, rather than holding out. I can't complain with the attackers, we have a great option of them, but the double pivot is so weak, i get scared when the other team is on the break. It's like Di Matteo doesn't know what he's doing, this isn't the right formation for the players we have right now. I wanted this season to be a season where our new team gel together, but it seems that it's going to be a season where we will end up changing formation, bad results coming in, bad season, Robbie's sacked and then we are back to square one.So opinion on Robbie... I don't think he's the right man for the job because of what I've seen, yes it's very early, but who can look at this squad and the performances and say 'we are going somewhere' you're just delusional if you can do that and mean it. I think Pep Guardiola will be our manager soon enough, and maybe it might be a good thing, he's a huge gamble unfortunately. But his spirit and way of playing was just class, and we have a lot of creative attackers, maybe he could come here and do some impressive things.However i want Robbie to achieve, because he's a club legend, and a great fucking player in his time. I prey to god that he will succeed and all this will blow over. Good luck to Robbie and lets hope the season starts getting better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutcho 8,443 Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 The big games are coming thick and fast now with Juve, Arsenal, Spurs, Man utd and Liverpool soon. Then we will have a clear indication of RDM, his tactics and the squad in general.My biggest worry is if we set out like that vs QPR, logic dictates that he will be that defensive vs Juve. I hope i am wrong but i expect we will see the exact same team with Mata in for bertrand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 So Atletico wasn't a good team?Or are we just going to completely forget about that match because it contradicts your argument?If we had won I certainly bet you all would be using a victory against a good Atletico team to support your argument. But since we didn't you can conveniently brush aside the result as if it never happened.Atletico Madrid....And they aren't even considered as good as Real or Barca....I was using the sentence you posted and which I quoted So we have played one big match (although it was practically a friendly, or at least that's how our team treated it), my argument still stands: it's not enough to pass judgement on Roberto just yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stats 7,142 Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 we will never play attractive football under RDMNot true at all. He has been very defensive minded sometimes, especially away from home but I think you are forgetting we recorded some of our most impressive and attractive wins under him last season eg QPR Napoli. We also played attractive football against Newcastle. We will see more free-flowing football as the weeks go on. (Hopefully) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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