Strike 7,490 Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 @Sheva., I can name many games where we have been good with Luiz and a shambles without ie the respective matches against Arsenal. TBF he has been below par in recent weeks and if Alex was still here he would probably be on the bench by now.The thing with luiz, he has better potential than all our other defenders but at the same time he should be solid whenever he plays. yes, he wins the ball back and all that but his ratio of winning the ball back to making a rash challenge is still high. everyone thought that by now, he would have settled and transformed into a solid Ball-Winning centre-back but sadly the basic errors still undo all the work he puts in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 nah. Wigan, Stoke, QPR are hardly a challenge. Luiz-Terry did not play against Newcastle, our first tough game and made errors against Arsenal - dropped way too deep for the Gervinho goal.Swansea away and Liverpool home are far tougher and Ivan-Cahill and Terry-Iva, Cahill-Ivan were very solid. we defended as a unitThat was a lack of communication from both centre back's. And for your last line we look generally solid with any centre back partnership, apart from the Cahill and Luiz one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strike 7,490 Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 You're right it's quite ambiguous, but my point is that you can't say the defence is better because Luiz doesn't played.without luiz, the back Four has defended as unit. we barely let in a shot on target until Suarez corner goal and the 2 cb's were excellent handling the pace of the Swansea attackers. rather unfortunate that they have no clean-sheets to show for the 2 performances nonetheless , the defensive work has been great these last two games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mediator 2,026 Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 We need some rotation. We won't win any trophy like that.If we can't afford it right now, when would we rest some players? Against Juventus? Against City?Just be serious, we have to be like other teams while we have Marin, Romeu, Moses on the bench they deserve it.------------ Cech -------Azpi ---- Ivan - Cahil --- Cole (if fit else bert)------- Romeu -- Mikel -------Moses --- Hazard - Marin--------- Sturridge ----------(Hazard because he was rested during the national duties)3 sub are allowed, so we shouln't panic like pussies each game with our strongest line up.I want us to take the 3 points against Juventus, so we shouldn't burn our chances tomorrowWe took 2 out of 9 points the last 3 games with our strongest team, are they already burnt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 without luiz, the back Four has defended as unit. we barely let in a shot on target until Suarez corner goal and the 2 cb's were excellent handling the pace of the Swansea attackers. rather unfortunate that they have no clean-sheets to show for the 2 performances nonetheless , the defensive work has been great these last two gamesWhy all the blame on Luiz? it's the partnership him and Cahill have that's the major problem, not either of them individually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 without luiz, the back Four has defended as unit. we barely let in a shot on target until Suarez corner goal and the 2 cb's were excellent handling the pace of the Swansea attackers. rather unfortunate that they have no clean-sheets to show for the 2 performances nonetheless , the defensive work has been great these last two gamesNot just the back four but the whole team. You say that the Terry - Luiz partnership didn't really face strong opposition but neither were Swansea and Liverpool. Don't know why people seem to shift all the blame for being bad at the back to Luiz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelmus 12 Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 I hope for sturridge begin the match . 3 points are imperative today, at the risk of being left behind by man.u going to norwich.It will be a tough game, a stat I read "Six receptions this season, WBA managed to keep clean sheets on four occasions: against Liverpool, Everton, Reading and Southampton." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NiclasCFC 2,582 Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Cahill and Luiz are both yet to convince me since THAT night in munich so i think while Terry is injured Iva has to be first choice Centre back and Azpi first choice on the right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edetarod 2,155 Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 does anybody else scroll through when they see the word "Luiz" in a comment, or is it just me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belgiannutt 3,201 Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 does anybody else scroll through when they see the word "Luiz" in a comment, or is it just me?No but everytime i see the word "Torres" i take a pen and paper and write down all the excuses.you never know when they might come in handy.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nachikethas 1,154 Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 cahill and luiz looks more solid with a good experienced cb...terry and luiz/cahill or brana and luiz/cahill for me.. too bad JT is not available,just when we need him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strike 7,490 Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Not just the back four but the whole team. You say that the Terry - Luiz partnership didn't really face strong opposition but neither were Swansea and Liverpool. Don't know why people seem to shift all the blame for being bad at the back to Luiz.Why all the blame on Luiz? it's the partnership him and Cahill have that's the major problem, not either of them individually.terry-Luiz hasn't been tested enough to say that they are "solid" and cahill-luiz is just codswallop. we need to have a stable partnership at the back. i believe the chopping and changing has also affected the defence. it's not just luiz. luiz has made basic errors but none of the partnerships in defence is actually good. we need a good defender and soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petr.breu 1,618 Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 We'll play in black kits, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nachikethas 1,154 Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 We'll play in black kits, right?have we ever weared the white kits this season?really want to see the kit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutcho 8,443 Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 have we ever weared the white kits this season?really want to see the kit Yeah we definitely have played in our away kits this year and we played in our 3rd kit for the first game of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NiclasCFC 2,582 Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 does anybody else scroll through when they see the word "Luiz" in a comment, or is it just me?I just scrolled past your post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stats 7,143 Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Even with Luiz mistakes he remains one of my favourite players here. I would be devastated to see him leave as I still believe he has a lot to offer the club. (Not like I think it will happen) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edetarod 2,155 Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 I just scrolled past your post how did you quote it than? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NiclasCFC 2,582 Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 how did you quote it than?Magic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HNKS 508 Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Even Giroud is turning out to be better than Torres. Hope we get to January in the top 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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