Real concerns

[OneMoSalah 8,834]

  On 12/11/2012 at 19:41, YouNameIt said:

And regarding Sturridge, you are missing the point here. The point is we dont fucking know if Torres is better than Danny or if its the other way around because STURRIDGE ISNT GETTING ANY CHANCES. How the fuck can u say that Torres is better than Danny? If Danny was given 2-3 starts THEN we could judge him. The reason im "nagging" about wanting him to play is so we can see what the fuck he has, what he can do. We wont get that if he only gets a few minutes here and there. And considering who we have to drop for Danny to get more playtime, its pretty obvious, i mean its not like we will bench Messi...

And of course you see Torres doing more effoirt and working harder because he's playing and Danny isnt!! Jesus Christ....

You are saaying Sturridge deserves a chance ahead of Torres but to be honest have you though it through? Torres has more Chelsea goals than Sturridge, has performed better than Sturridge since Robbie has taken over, has worked harder for the team than Sturridge and has a better attitude towards the team that Sturridge.

The thing about Torres putting more effort in and working harder because hes playing and Studge isn't doing that because he isn't playing makes no sense. If Sturridge really wanted to play, he'd give 200% for 8 minutes, 2 minutes, 12 minutes, 28 minutes or however long hes on and quite frankly he hasn't when hes played.

Would you rather someone who is desperate for it to work, perhaps trying too hard (Torres) to continue playing or someone who hasn't given the slightest fuck since just before AVB got sacked to play in Torres' place?

I think everyone knows the answer.

Also its blatantly obvious Torres is better than Sturridge but right now their both terrible and we need at least 2 good/world class strikers to compete on all fronts for trophies.

[Tomo 21,741]

I remember saying till i was blue in the face during the summer that Malouda, Meireles and Benayoun should have been kept for squad depth.

[Styles 9,790]

  On 13/11/2012 at 00:01, Tomo-91 said:

I remember saying till i was blue in the face during the summer that Malouda, Meireles and Benayoun should have been kept for squad depth.

Or maybe even McEachran, De Bruyne and Lukaku...

[Muzchap 8,966]

Or Essien?

We could always play Piazon up front?

[Rmpr 8,977]

  On 12/11/2012 at 16:52, Henrique said:

The problem with this squad is the lack of experience and strong characters. I was really worried went Terry got injured. Even players like Mata are not the kind of players to lead a team, we had many players like that in the past, with the likes of Ballack, Lampard, Terry, Ricardo Carvalho, Essien, Drogba.

In my opnion the board is not doing a smart job when they are only buying players with 19, 20 years old. This team need a little bit of experience, otherwise it will become the new Arsenal. Good players, attacking football and lack of trophies.

You are being way to harsh...

You only mentioned those players because you know what they have become. They belong to a very mature and excellent era.

You cant compare us to 08/09, we are the new CFC. We are remoduling, just like 03/04. We are being built to acomodate future stars and leaders and this does not happen in 1-2 years or transfer windows. We will for sure buy experience in certain areas we might need, but the 20 years old policy is very important (we buy cheap and grow them to their full potencial). Besides, it is not like we are buying a whole team of 20 years old, we only bought a few players in that age. Where ever we have holes in the team, if they come, will certainly be for the present and not for the future.

We are in transition mode, we lack consistency, chemestry and experience. However, this is all a learning process...I am more than sure we will have one of the most balanced squads in 2 years!

[TheCount 146]

  On 12/11/2012 at 21:53, YouNameIt said:

You cant be this dumb can you? Of course I would pick Drogba. But the discussion wasnt about him. Nor was the example. What I meant was if you have to unknown and identical players, you would chose player A over player B according to the below:

Player A: Misses 1000, but scores 20.

Player B: Misses 100, but scores 5.

My point is that the ratio isnt interesting, because at the end of the day player A scores more. HOWEVER, im not stuipid and of course those 5 goals can be alot more important than the 20. But again, thats now what the discussion was about.

Regarding Sturridge, no, he hasnt been given chances. Not many enough, and not for long enough. Simple as. How many minutes has he played as CF actually? You cannot argue that considering whos spot he'd take, there isnt much to loser (rather gain) by giving him more chances.

I think this sums it up.

  On 12/11/2012 at 22:21, didierforever said:

and continuing your awesome assessment i ll say :

turnbull is a much better keeper than cech.

mata sucks and should be sold, infact release him from his contract.

and to top it off marin has so far been a better buy than hazard and oscar combined.

This however is truly stupid. Least the other lad is in some sort of denile about it.

[TheCount 146]

  On 13/11/2012 at 00:11, Rmpr said:

You are being way to harsh...

You only mentioned those players because you know what they have become. They belong to a very mature and excellent era.

You cant compare us to 08/09, we are the new CFC. We are remoduling, just like 03/04. We are being built to acomodate future stars and leaders and this does not happen in 1-2 years or transfer windows. We will for sure buy experience in certain areas we might need, but the 20 years old policy is very important (we buy cheap and grow them to their full potencial). Besides, it is not like we are buying a whole team of 20 years old, we only bought a few players in that age. A striker, a central midfield and a center back (if they come) will certainly be for the present and not for the future.

We are in transition mode, we lack consistency, chemestry and experience. However, this is all a learning process...I am more than sure we will have one of the most balanced squads in 2 years!

We'll your right, the post above is also right, wee need those type of players but i agree we need to build them aswell as buy.

[zolayes 14,489]

  On 13/11/2012 at 00:01, Tomo-91 said:

I remember saying till i was blue in the face during the summer that Malouda, Meireles and Benayoun should have been kept for squad depth.

we STILL have Malingerer oops Malouda

[Rmpr 8,977]

  On 13/11/2012 at 00:25, TheCount said:

We'll your right, the post above is also right, wee need those type of players but i agree we need to build them aswell as buy.

No, I completely agree. Henrique is totally right we need experienced leaders to be a trully champion team. I just think he is asking too much of this present team. I am sure another huge trasnfer window like the one we had the the chemestry and knowledge our players will gain from this season is enoguh...

[Tomo 21,741]

  On 13/11/2012 at 00:04, Styles said:

Or maybe even McEachran, De Bruyne and Lukaku...

Let them develop on loan, as someone mentioned we lack experience this term, the 3 i mentioned could have helped towards that.

[YouNameIt 1,511]

  On 12/11/2012 at 23:49, RyanDavidson said:

You are saaying Sturridge deserves a chance ahead of Torres but to be honest have you though it through? Torres has more Chelsea goals than Sturridge, has performed better than Sturridge since Robbie has taken over, has worked harder for the team than Sturridge and has a better attitude towards the team that Sturridge.

The thing about Torres putting more effort in and working harder because hes playing and Studge isn't doing that because he isn't playing makes no sense. If Sturridge really wanted to play, he'd give 200% for 8 minutes, 2 minutes, 12 minutes, 28 minutes or however long hes on and quite frankly he hasn't when hes played.

Would you rather someone who is desperate for it to work, perhaps trying too hard (Torres) to continue playing or someone who hasn't given the slightest fuck since just before AVB got sacked to play in Torres' place?

I think everyone knows the answer.

Also its blatantly obvious Torres is better than Sturridge but right now their both terrible and we need at least 2 good/world class strikers to compete on all fronts for trophies.

Everything you said could be true, if Sturridge would actually have been given a start or two now.

We are playing with just 1 (ONE) striker, who is AWFUL. We arent rotating anything.

And what are u saying dude. I think Sturridge is doing all he can do when he gets playtime... the little he gets.

AND OF COURSE torres has more chelsea goals than sturridge does. Compare the minutes Torres played and Danny lately. What the fuck, u cant just compare them like that.

Im not saying Sturridge is better. Im not saying Sturridge is our Drogba. What Im saying is, we got a striker who is shit atm. We got another one on the bench who isnt getting any decent gametime. We arent rotating. I dont give a shit about how hard Torres works, because he simply isnt good enough.

I dont understand how u cannot agree on the fact that Danny needs a start or two now.

[Henrique 9,133]

  On 13/11/2012 at 00:11, Rmpr said:

You are being way to harsh...

You only mentioned those players because you know what they have become. They belong to a very mature and excellent era.

You cant compare us to 08/09, we are the new CFC. We are remoduling, just like 03/04. We are being built to acomodate future stars and leaders and this does not happen in 1-2 years or transfer windows. We will for sure buy experience in certain areas we might need, but the 20 years old policy is very important (we buy cheap and grow them to their full potencial). Besides, it is not like we are buying a whole team of 20 years old, we only bought a few players in that age. Where ever we have holes in the team, if they come, will certainly be for the present and not for the future.

We are in transition mode, we lack consistency, chemestry and experience. However, this is all a learning process...I am more than sure we will have one of the most balanced squads in 2 years!

You are also a magician.

[Henrique 9,133]

  On 12/11/2012 at 23:32, TorontoChelsea said:

No, it's exactly the opposite. When you are a parent, you need to educate your children because you have more experience in life and because you know more than they do. All of us here know significantly less than RDM in every aspect of football. Yes, there are concerns we all have and but it's the combination of panicking and extreme arrogance as if we, who have vastly less knowledge of what's happening and infinitely less experience in football, we really know what needs to be done that's so bothersome.

And yes, everything is fine if you have the proper perspective. We are trying to build a team long-term and we are heading in the right direction. A year ago, the post-Mourinho core years looked like they would be a disaster. Now, if you look at Chelsea's future it looks bright. The spoiled kid aspect of it is infuriating. If the discussion were just "what I think Chelsea should be trying to do" it'd be different, but it isn't. It's always, "buy this expensive player" or "get this expensive manager" which is actually the opposite of a serious discussion of the issues we have. Look at this thread, there are some valid points, but there's also criticism of RDM because he isn't good enough at developing young players? That's just absolute nonsense and shows the incredible lack of patience and perspective too many Chelsea fans have. Hazard isn't the best player in the Premier League 10 games into his career so RDM isn't good at developing young talent? Don't people realise that having excellent potential does not mean that you will become a fantastic player immediately (or ever)? People think that every promising player we buy is going to turn out to be Messi or something. If you expected more out of Oscar, Bertrand , Hazard, and Moses at this point (like the author of this thread did) then the fault is down to you, not RDM.

If people want to have serious discussions about what they think Chelsea should be doing to improve the squad, then I'm all for it.Those are fun and engaging. However, there is very little of this. Instead, it's mostly just people ripping on the players they hate, trying to assign blame for everything that goes wrong, and attempting to construct fantasy lineups.

Future looks bright to you, so just leave this topic. People here thinks that the future is uncertain, because we are not magician to know whats is going to happen in the future. We are here discussing the current situation, nobody is saying RDM is a clueless manager or needs to be sacked, If you dont like this kind of discussion dont waste your time here.

[Rmpr 8,977]

  On 13/11/2012 at 01:17, Henrique said:

Future looks bright to you, so just leave this topic. People here thinks that the future is uncertain, because we are not magician to know whats is going to happen in the future. We are here discussing the current situation, nobody is saying RDM is a clueless manager or needs to be sacked, If you dont like this kind of discussion dont waste your time here.

  On 13/11/2012 at 01:15, Henrique said:

You are also a magician.

Typical knee jerk reaction. If you cant accept diferent views or dot have decent arguments, just dont quote!

[Strike 7,314]

  On 12/11/2012 at 16:52, Henrique said:

The problem with this squad is the lack of experience and strong characters. I was really worried went Terry got injured. Even players like Mata are not the kind of players to lead a team, we had many players like that in the past, with the likes of Ballack, Lampard, Terry, Ricardo Carvalho, Essien, Drogba.

In my opnion the board is not doing a smart job when they are only buying players with 19, 20 years old. This team need a little bit of experience, otherwise it will become the new Arsenal. Good players, attacking football and lack of trophies.

yes. we needed to sign a few players in the 25-30 bracket. i hope when the club buys a centre-back/striker, they sign someone in their prime rather than youngsters

[BLionheart 516]

Some posters are just unbelievable , i have always chosen to ignore some posts but the amount of posters who are plain ignorant , reliant on the fact that Di Matteo has more experience so he must have more football knowledge than you all combined is ridiculous.

Why don't we just admit the fact that the only players who we are seeing the best of are Mata & Ramires , Hazard can be miles better than that if he was given encouragement & guidance on when to dribble , to improve his finishing.

Oscar should be encouraged to shoot more and instructed to take places right in-front of the box waiting for a rebound (you always find Mata doing that but he is very wasteful from that position).

The team's off-the ball movement is purely instinctive and obviously based on no specific instructions , which is why we have rarely scored from the impressive link-up play as in most cases players get to the question of what's next , their instincts can't answer all of the questions on field.

Those are just examples , i don't know how a manager should handle and develop them into world-class substance because it's his job , and as a fan when i watch games i want to see this improvement on field.

My biggest concern is that a player like Hazard for instance is not half the player he was last year for Lille or at this season's beginning , to say he is slowly improving is the real non-sense.

[Henrique 9,133]

  On 13/11/2012 at 01:46, Rmpr said:

Typical knee jerk reaction. If you cant accept diferent views or dot have decent arguments, just dont quote!

If you dont get my point, dont quote. I'm not asking anything, I'm just pointing how things are right now.

Really dont know that you are talking about.

[Rmpr 8,977]

  On 13/11/2012 at 02:54, Henrique said:

If you dont get my point, dont quote. I'm not asking anything, I'm just pointing how things are right now.

Really dont know that you are talking about.

Read all the posts beforing trying to comment on something...