Oscar

[lionsden 4,689]

How does one measure potential. what criteria is being used here. If it's talent, it's general consensus that oscar doesn't particularly excel at anything in particular, a jack of all trade if you will and if the criteria is based on how good he is for his age compared to other players, he's one of the most inconsistent players around so He's neither one of the most talented players nor one of the most consistent in his age group, He hasn't shown any sign of growth and improvement and he isn't a great athlete either so what is this potential based on exactly?.

[CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625]

How does one measure potential. what criteria is being used here. If it's talent, it's general consensus that oscar doesn't particularly excel at anything in particular, a jack of all trade if you will and if the criteria is based on how good he is for his age compared to other players, he's one of the most inconsistent players around so He's neither one of the most talented players nor one of the most consistent in his age group, He hasn't shown any sign of growth and improvement and he isn't a great athlete either so what is this potential based on exactly?.

Improving his consistency would make him much better before he even improves as a player, which he will.

He could also bulk up. It's there, but if you prefer not to believe then that's your choice.

[lionsden 4,689]

Improving his consistency would make him much better before he even improves as a player, which he will.

He could also bulk up. It's there, but if you prefer not to believe then that's your choice.

And this is based on what exactly. your gut feeling?

He's being here for 3 seasons, going on fourth and has shown no sign of improvement or growth, so please forgive those that are not exactly brimming with confidence that oscar will one day develop into a player that's good enough for a top team like Chelsea.

Let me ask you a very simple question, do you honestly believe Oscar will still be an integral part of the team (or even in the team at all) if he was at any of the other big/elite teams in Europe showing the same level of inconsistency that he shown for the last 3 years?

[CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625]

And this is based on what exactly. your gut feeling?

He's being here for 3 seasons, going on fourth and has shown no sign of improvement or growth, so please forgive those that are not exactly brimming with confidence that oscar will one day become a player that's good enough for a top team like Chelsea.

It's not possible with the coaching system around you, the players around you and the game time that Oscar gets not to improve and learn from them.

If he's not good enough for Chelsea, then now you can justify to me how Willian, Cuadrado, and Ramires are.

[lionsden 4,689]

It's not possible with the coaching system around you, the players around you and the game time that Oscar gets not to improve and learn from them.

If he's not good enough for Chelsea, then now you can justify to me how Willian, Cuadrado, and Ramires are.

So why hasn't he improved in 3 years then?

[CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625]

So why hasn't he improved in 3 years then?

His defensive game has improved lots.

How are Willian, Cuadrado, Ramires, and Mikel Chelsea material if Oscar isn't?

[lionsden 4,689]

His defensive game has improved lots.

How are Willian, Cuadrado, Ramires, and Mikel Chelsea material if Oscar isn't?

Classic deflection tactics from Oscar apologists. Why must other players be drag into discussion about Oscar. You can say Oscar is very inconsistent and the reply would be "well William too is inconsistent", what does that have to donwith the original comment.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

Damn, I really thought Oscar would step up when Mata was sold.. We just haven't seen the magic he showed in Juve consistently or, and even worse, in any frequency.

[Oscar 441]

So why hasn't he improved in 3 years then?

Oscar has improved.

His free kicking ability is the best on the team. His pressing is the best on the team. His movement is the best on the team.

His workrate has improved as well.

[Oscar 441]

Damn, I really thought Oscar would step up when Mata was sold.. We just haven't seen the magic he showed in Juve consistently or, and even worse, in any frequency.

But, it's different manager and different role for Oscar like how he had to adapt from being brazil n10 to essentially allowing Neymar to play a one man game.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

But, it's different manager and different role for Oscar like how he had to adapt from being brazil n10 to essentially allowing Neymar to play a one man game.

Yea I do understand this factor, which is why for his own sake he should leave Chelsea by the way. But even then, I think his inconsistency and his nature that tends to see him disappear from games is telling. What's more telling is that Mourinho prefers Fabregas as a number 10 in big matches and benches Oscar.

It's better for player and club if he was to move on. We can fetch a nice price for the young Brazilian and he wouldn't be short of suitors. I just hope we don't fucking sell him to another rival..

[Oscar 441]

Yea I do understand this factor, which is why for his own sake he should leave Chelsea by the way. But even then, I think his inconsistency and his nature that tends to see him disappear from games is telling. What's more telling is that Mourinho prefers Fabregas as a number 10 in big matches and benches Oscar.

It's better for player and club if he was to move on. We can fetch a nice price for the young Brazilian and he wouldn't be short of suitors. I just hope we don't fucking sell him to another rival..

Speaking individually, it would be better for Oscar to leave.

However, I think Jose still favors Oscar and the reason he keeps Cesc on is that no one on the team can set peice like Cesc can. SO, essentially you can park the bus or play defensively, and hope for set pieces to go in...

[Rhino's Skin 972]

Speaking individually, it would be better for Oscar to leave.

However, I think Jose still favors Oscar and the reason he keeps Cesc on is that no one on the team can set peice like Cesc can. SO, essentially you can park the bus or play defensively, and hope for set pieces to go in...

has he actually told you this is the reason why?

[CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625]

Classic deflection tactics from Oscar apologists. Why must other players be drag into discussion about Oscar. You can say Oscar is very inconsistent and the reply would be "well William too is inconsistent", what does that have to donwith the original comment.

Then why not just tell me how those players are in any other category?

You can't say one player is in one category then call it deflection when it's inquired how other players who are older and of the same quality or worse are somehow exempt from it. Calling me names won't make that go away.

Oh sorry, I forgot I was dealing with the bastion of unpopular opinion as you called yourself last time this argument went around

But yet nobody can explain to me how Willian deserves a place in the team and Oscar does not - even with an awful second half of the season Oscar still ended up with more goals and assists.

[Fernando 6,453]

To me Oscar is like our poor man's muller. And all around player.

However muller play in big games yet Mourinho benches Oscar in bigger games towards the end of the season....

[Vybz Kartel 1,613]

what potential? the potential thats been talked up about when he was 21? when he was 22? when he was 23? i dont see any improvement in him when he started playing with us 3 years ago. another poor excuse. if we so want to take out potential then lets play boga and musonda.

the point is he DID get injured. he got injured and did not get those minutes. just like the season before, where he fell off the wagon. the oscar that was injured and unable to play most of our games towards the end of the season had no problem playing the WC.

as for turan not being better.. thats just LOL talk. turan's close control, holding on to the ball is light years ahead of oscar. turan's passing and dribbling is also way better. oscar has better goal scoring, and pace than turan, thats it!!! please watch some of ATM's matches from the last season or the season where atm won the liga and were the finalists. he was just brilliant. something which can be said about oscar for like 5-10 matches per season. also, who is talking about getting rid of oscar. turan is a RW. oscar is a CAM. hazard-willian/oscar-willian/turan thats how we would line up. or we going to simply blindly keep hoping for oscar's supposed "potential" to come through one fine day and reject any player who threatens his position?

If Turan was the better player why is it he is benched at Atletico?? His not a regular starter for Atletico because his contribution to the team is outweighed by his weaknesses

[cfcs most wanted 657]

To me Oscar is like our poor man's muller. And all around player.

However muller play in big games yet Mourinho benches Oscar in bigger games towards the end of the season....

You know he is benched for a reason

[didierforever 7,349]

If Turan was the better player why is it he is benched at Atletico?? His not a regular starter for Atletico because his contribution to the team is outweighed by his weaknesses

Oh my god!!! oh my fucking god!!! did i read this right?

did i fucking read this right?

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turan - 3356

oscar - 2794

do people even watch football before posting there stupid opinions. arda turan - one of the best players of ATM is now a bench player. and its not just this guy. by people's opinion about turan, its pretty clear that they have no clue whatsoever about what they are posting.