Oscar

[SouthKorea 38]

you just compared chelsea of last season to united who have no defensive stability, have no proper formation, are playing rooney as a DM with young and valencia as wing backs. dude, please give it up!!!

the same united team that conceded one more goal from a vastly superior defensive chelsea squad...Please give up.

[didierforever 7,349]

the same united team that conceded one less goal from a vastly superior defensive chelsea squad...Please give up.

not conceding a goal is not equal to a superior defense. you would know that if you had watched united play soton at st. mary's or any football for that matter before speaking. hence the use of the words defensive stability

[SouthKorea 38]

CHelsea fans saw the freedom that Mata got and automatically assumes Oscar was given the same freedom, therefore, since Jose replaced him, he should have a better output, when in reality, kids that watch 240p streams never could see what the situation really was.

Oscar does need to improve, however, when things go bad, Oscar is always the scapegoat since el nino is gone now...

[SouthKorea 38]

not conceding a goal is not equal to a superior defense. you would know that if you had watched united play soton at st. mary's or any football for that matter before speaking. hence the use of the words defensive stability

Chelsea allowed 5 goals to a shit spur squad and another 3 to a shit everton squad.

If anything, SOTON actually play really good offensive football vs spurs/everton.

[didierforever 7,349]

The ironic thing is that what Oscar did today is what mata has done for chelsea during his poty campaigns... Score a random goal and put in an assist and do fuckall the rest of the game, yet, you were his biggest defender.

another LOL reply. specially for someone like mata who was generally the player behind every thing good the team did. a proper playmaker who ran the whole game, specially under fsw when the team was based around him

[SouthKorea 38]

another LOL reply. specially for someone like mata who was generally the player behind every thing good the team did. a proper playmaker who ran the whole game, specially under fsw when the team was based around him

A good playmaker for a team that was 6th in the league.....

He's such a good playmaker that united fans want to keep him... WAIT, they dont.

[Daniel1980 1,425]

dude, i honestly dont know what game you were watching is you think oscar was not that bad. i mean just go the match thread and even after ignoring all my posts do see people's reaction on there. he was absolutely shocking.

just start from here http://forum.talkchelsea.net/topic/19667-chelsea-v-newcastle/page-12

hazard was absolutely isolated. oscar and cesc are supposed to be the main link up men. both were poor. cant blame hazard for that. he looked dangerous everytime he got the ball.

First of all, that's just wrong. Eden had most touches of the ball than anyone on the pitch except our CMs. I love Eden, he's my favourite player, but he can't be the only one who gets excused for being invisible for the large part of the game. If Willian had the sort of game Eden had, he'd be crucified for his lack of contribution in the final third. Eden made mistakes too. He lost the ball too. He made bad passes too. He had bad touches too. He wasn't more isolated in the first half than Cesc was --actually, considering he's a CM, Cesc might have been more isolated than him, since our defenders kept playing through Matic in the first half. And unlike Oscar and Cesc, Eden didn't have the burden of defending, so it's pretty unfair, since both of them(especially Cesc) put on a defensive shift that almost matched Matic's.

Yes, Oscar and Cesc are supposed to be the main link up men, but Cesc couldn't help Oscar link up attack because in the first half our defence looked shaky, Matic looked shaky, and Cesc had to spend most of the time in our own half, defending. That's why I'm against playing the playmaker of the team in the pivot - he can't do much of creating if he has to spend most of the time worrying about defending.

Cesc was ineffective in the first half and improved in the second half. As did Oscar. As did Eden. No more, no less. Eden makes the impression of being more dangerous because he's a flair player. But to be honest, he was pretty ineffective in attack today bar a few good moments. But even Willian had a few good moments in attack. As did Cesc. As did Oscar.

[didierforever 7,349]

Chelsea allowed 5 goals to a shit spur squad and another 3 to a shit everton squad.

If anything, SOTON actually play really good offensive football vs spurs/everton.

those were 2 off days when nothing clicked for us. specially spurs. everton was a freak game where we simply tried to outscore them cos they were as shit as us.

we are also the team who conceded the least goals in the CL group stage while united got their asses kicked by league 2 team mk dons (4-0).

[obiwan92 217]

Hey SouthKorea, I'm American and watch games on a 60" plasma. Why is your opinion relevant again?

Grumbling about stupid shit, as usual.

[didierforever 7,349]

A good playmaker for a team that was 6th in the league.....

He's such a good playmaker that united fans want to keep him... WAIT, they dont.

which team won the CL?

they have rooney, maria and ample attacking options. i can understand why they would not.

[SouthKorea 38]

those were 2 off days when nothing clicked for us. specially spurs. everton was a freak game where we simply tried to outscore them cos they were as shit as us.

we are also the team who conceded the least goals in the CL group stage while united got their asses kicked by league 2 team mk dons (4-0).

and Chelsea also had the easiest group in all of UCL

[SouthKorea 38]

which team won the CL?

they have rooney, maria and ample attacking options. i can understand why they would not.

i guess that makes RDM the greatest manager as well and Mikel a god in the pivot along with lampard and your favorite david luiz as cb..

[SouthKorea 38]

Hey SouthKorea, I'm American and watch games on a 60" plasma. Why is your opinion relevant again?

Grumbling about stupid shit, as usual.

point was that he watches games on 240p streams..... What don't you understand?

[didierforever 7,349]

First of all, that's just wrong. Eden had most touches of the ball than anyone on the pitch except our CMs. I love Eden, he's my favourite player, but he can't be the only one who gets excused for being invisible for the large part of the game. If Willian had the sort of game Eden had, he'd be crucified for his lack of contribution in the final third. Eden made mistakes too. He lost the ball too. He made bad passes too. He had bad touches too. He wasn't more isolated in the first half than Cesc was --actually, considering he's a CM, Cesc might have been more isolated than him, since our defenders kept playing through Matic in the first half. And unlike Oscar and Cesc, Eden didn't have the burden of defending, so it's pretty unfair, since both of them(especially Cesc) put on a defensive shift that almost matched Matic's.

Yes, Oscar and Cesc are supposed to be the main link up men, but Cesc couldn't help Oscar link up attack because in the first half our defence looked shaky, Matic looked shaky, and Cesc had to spend most of the time in our own half, defending. That's why I'm against playing the playmaker of the team in the pivot - he can't do much of creating if he has to spend most of the time worrying about defending.

Cesc was ineffective in the first half and improved in the second half. As did Oscar. As did Eden. No more, no less. Eden makes the impression of being more dangerous because he's a flair player. But to be honest, he was pretty ineffective in attack today bar a few good moments. But even Willian had a few good moments in attack. As did Cesc. As did Oscar.

totally disagree. i dont think hazard had many touches of the ball in the first half. i would love to see those stats of just the first half. our best moment of the first half came through hazard when he won he ball and put diego through. there was another instance where towards the end of the half when he could have put willian thru on the left but chose to take the ball himself, but he was our main threat, like always.

agree about cesc's role, but disagree about how good he was defensively. we were getting mauled out there. by now we have established that our defence is shaky when players are running at them and yet there were 4/5 individual instances where this happened. and i would understand if it was on a counter, but it was not. newcastle were actually dominating us and the mid was where we were losing the main battle. putting a shift is different from actually doing a proper job.

[didierforever 7,349]

i guess that makes RDM the greatest manager as well and Mikel a god in the pivot along with lampard and your favorite david luiz as cb..

well, your argument was that we came 6th in the league when it dint take into account the team we played at emirates and anfield, that we were solely concentrating on FA and CL and that we had literally given up on the league and top 4 way before it actually ended. like i said before, mata was the creator and the playmaker of those teams. he was flanked by kalou and malouda and had the defensive pivot of rambo/mikel. so....

and Chelsea also had the easiest group in all of UCL

running out of excuses i see. u do understand that conceding 3 goals in 6 matches even in the easiest group in CL is still a massively good job. and all of those teams are 100 times better than mk dons.

but well, since you think that drawing away to spurs and stoke is equivalent to drawing whu and norwich at home, then i am not at all suprised at anything,