JDY 1,290 Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 Spain didn't bring any of their best senior players. No Xavi, no Iniesta, no Ramos, etc...The logic that the competition must be good because good players have looked mediocre is ridiculous. Because Chelsea lost to Brighton, does that mean that Brighton are Champions' League contenders? Hazard played poorly, so therefore Brighton's players are really amazing. It doesn't work like that. Good players will have mediocre games against poor teams sometimes.(Especially, as was the case for most teams apart from Brazil, when the players have barely played together.) And yes, Egypt and Korea might almost be as good as Mexico because they are all poor.Where did I say the competition was good? You said it was poor and I agreed with you on paper, but said they are better than you give them credit for.Why would Spain bring players who only weeks before were heavily involved in the nations success in the Euros? Don't be ridiculous. Did you expect Team GB to bring Rooney, Gerrard, and Ashley Cole?Sorry but your point about Brighton isn't worth replying to, stop exaggerating everything and putting words in my mouth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorontoChelsea 4,064 Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 Where did I say the competition was good? You said it was poor and I agreed with you on paper, but said they are better than you give them credit for.Why would Spain bring players who only weeks before were heavily involved in the nations success in the Euros? Don't be ridiculous. Did you expect Team GB to bring Rooney, Gerrard, and Ashley Cole?Sorry but your point about Brighton isn't worth replying to, stop exaggerating everything and putting words in my mouth.I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. I said that the Spain didn't bring their best players and you said "what top players did Spain not bring" and I told you which top players they didn't bring and you said "why would you expect them to bring them"? I don't expect them to take good players because it's a minor tournament but you asked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDY 1,290 Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. I said that the Spain didn't bring their best players and you said "what top players did Spain not bring" and I told you which top players they didn't bring and you said "why would you expect them to bring them"? I don't expect them to take good players because it's a minor tournament but you asked.So why bring up that Spain didn't take their best players as an excuse, if to you it's a minor tournament? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea? 892 Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 We have to put our best players on the field, the formation is sorta irrelevant because when put in a battle, the players will figure it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran. 6,317 Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 We have to put our best players on the field, the formation is sorta irrelevant because when put in a battle, the players will figure it out.I really, really hope this isn't our mindset. Funkyflashman, capriccioso and headhunter23 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea? 892 Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 I really, really hope this isn't our mindset.getting Oscar, Mata and Hazard on the same pitch shouldn't be that hard, surely wouldn't hurt to try a 433. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Armour 4,439 Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 getting Oscar, Mata and Hazard on the same pitch shouldn't be that hard, surely wouldn't hurt to try a 433.True.. 4-3-3 is a lot more flexible than 4-2-3-1, where the 2 guys in the double pivot cant stray too far from their positions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevemayer 764 Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 After what i've Seen from him and heared of him hes gonna to be The playmaker in that double pivot still my prediction Ramires7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Severinb 309 Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 After what i've Seen from him and heared of him hes gonna to be The playmaker in that double pivot still my predictionI think so too it has to be his role! If we ant to attack we can play: Torres Hazard Mata Moses Romeu/Mikel Oscar/Lampard and if we need to defend we will play : Torres Hazard Mata Ramires Mikel Oscar/Lampard! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! capriccioso 2,545 Posted August 9, 2012 Popular Post! Share Posted August 9, 2012 We have to put our best players on the field, the formation is sorta irrelevant because when put in a battle, the players will figure it out.Hello Mr. Redknapp, how goes the hunt for a new job? Justin_3d, DYC., Sir Mikel OBE and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacika 188 Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 He will play at RW, just like in Brazil NT....that's what i think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diskoviolente 425 Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 I am very excited to see him playing for us. The fact that Chelsea can sign a promising Brazilian midfielder, and ManUnited can´t is really sweet in itself.Oscar looks so composed and so cool headed on the ball and when under pressure he almost always found a way to get out of there. Playing in the PremierLeague is a different ballgame compared to the Olympics and the Brazilian leauge, but why disrispect these competitions only because Oscar is not yet a proven Kaka sort of guy ? I am sure he will adapt just as Ramires has. He looks like a very smart player, who´ll know what to do when challenged. As long as people don´t expect miricals in his first appearances, i think we will see a very interesting season of him combining with Hazard, Torres, Ramires and Marin. I see a very dynamic midfield there, when (note: not if) it gels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waterfall 893 Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 He will play at RW, just like in Brazil NT....that's what i think He rarely plays at RW. If anything, he plays on the left side more closer to Neymar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter23 70 Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 He will play at RW, just like in Brazil NT....that's what i think oscar plays the right wing for brazil? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jype 6,398 Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 Spain didn't bring any of their best senior players. No Xavi, no Iniesta, no Ramos, etc...Let's not be delusional here, that bunch would never have gone to the olympics after playing in the Euros and winning the whole thing. Our very own Juan Mata was one of their over-aged players and do you consider him to be shit?Just looking at that Spain squad it was amazing they couldn't even qualify from their group but it's not because they didn't rate the competition and not bother giving their 100% performance on the pitch but rather because for some reason they just weren't good enough. Maybe they got cocky after their nation had won three of the last major international competitions at senior level and last year that same olympic squad won the U21 Euros or maybe it was something else. I don't know the reasons for their mediocre performances and honestly I don't really give a fuck but I'll just say this: if they didn't think the Olympics were a competition worthy of winning they wouldn't have sent out their best possible U23 squad. FFS they even had Jordi Alba in their team and he played every single minute of Euro2012 and had just signed for Barcelona, I'm sure going to pre-season with them would probably have been nice too but he chose the Olympics over that. Also, Mata had an exhausting season with Chelsea and a little rest would have done him good but he chose to go to the Olympics too. I could go on... capriccioso 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinol 337 Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 He will play at RW, just like in Brazil NT....that's what i think That would be such a waste. Oscar should only play central! I dont care if its as a numer 10 or behing the number 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDA 9,938 Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 Oscar should play CAM ..... it's as simple as that. You put Mata on the left wing and Hazard on the right. Mata joined us with intentions of playing on the wing and even though he wasn't great there let's not forget it was his first season in the BPL. I have enough faith in Mata to play on the wing again maybe switching with Oscar throughout the game. You then put Eden on the right where he will devastate teams and again switching with Oscar throughout the game. That is what a lot of people have been saying and it is the most obvious and effective solution, to me the best attacking 3 we could field in that set up. For anyone who says Oscar doesn't play wing for Brazil, he quite clearly fills in there when filling the gap the winger has left when cutting in with the ball and he does very well there too I might add. Hutcho 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutcho 8,443 Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 Oscar should play CAM ..... it's as simple as that. You put Mata on the left wing and Hazard on the right. Mata joined us with intentions of playing on the wing and even though he wasn't great there let's not forget it was his first season in the BPL. I have enough faith in Mata to play on the wing again maybe switching with Oscar throughout the game. You then put Eden on the right where he will devastate teams and again switching with Oscar throughout the game. That is what a lot of people have been saying and it is the most obvious and effective solution, to me the best attacking 3 we could field in that set up. For anyone who says Oscar doesn't play wing for Brazil, he quite clearly fills in there when filling the gap the winger has left when cutting in with the ball and he does very well there too I might add.Exactly, if he plays CAM then he has the freedom to fill in and provide some width if hazard and mata go inside, or drop back if need be as well as linking up with torres or whoever is in front of him.... Him playing in the doubke picot gives him too many restrictions, and i don't really wan't to see him not being able to dictate play because of the possible spaces he could leave behind him, which lampard has been heavily criticised for in pre season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capriccioso 2,545 Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 Actually since Mata and Hazard are adept through the middle we should look to be really fluid- changing position every 2 minutes or so, confusing man-marking systems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bir_CFC 3,455 Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 We shouldn't play Hazard on the right, rather play Mata there. I know Mata was a left winger for Valencia and for us, but he's also played right wing many times for Spain and done very good, he'll be good in any position. And, no I don't think he's miles better in the hole than on the left wing. The only reason he was less influential on the left wing for us last season was because it's easier to shut someone down on the wing and defenses would man mark him like crazy because they could afford to since we had jack shit in the rest of the attacking line, that won't happen this year, so Mata = BEAST in any 3 positions and same goes for Hazard and Oscar. Hazard prefers the centre or the left, you put him left. Oscar is amazing in the hole and he helps defensively, so he can play in the centre and possibly provide more help to the weak double pivot than any other attacking mids and Mata on the right, cut in or whatever he wants.Oscar has to play in the centre for me because he's very good with both feet and he can be really lethal there.SORTED! TrippingStep 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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