Eden Hazard

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Players from history who played a similar position/role for their teams, to the same consistently high standard, with the same 1 goal every 3 games output: Ribery, Ronaldinho
Include players who tick those boxes, but have scored more than 1 goal every 3 games: Messi

So using this layman logic he's somewhere around or between those 3. 

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On talk chelsea he is indeed top 3, elsewhere he’s top 5-10... lists come up from pundits and players all the time some include Eden, while others do not.

For me the causality cannot possibly be established as easily as some around here claim: too many variables and all the supposition around what he would be able to do in a more attacking side is just that, supposition and wishful thinking from his most ardent fans.

But for the sake of argument, let’s assume we know that he would indeed become top 3 player (Messi shouldn’t be in the mix imo). Then the question I have is why does Eden play for a club that does not make him a better player? A defensive side team instead of attacking minded? Why is he satisfied having to play with these “donkeys” (personally find the idea that he carries a bunch of donkeys nonsense)?

PSG paid Neymar’s release clause and took him increasing his wages... the transfer market is pretty competitive and the best players draw the best wages. So, why is hazard stuck at chelsea? Does he lack ambition? If so, Wouldn’t that also affect his game at chelsea? Does he love chelsea so much? (hope folks aren’t that naive lol)

Finally, he needs to show up at the international stage. It’s usually KDB pulling the strings and Eden pretty subdued in WC/important games.

[Belgiannutt 3,201]

2 hours ago, Robguima said:

On talk chelsea he is indeed top 3, elsewhere he’s top 5-10... lists come up from pundits and players all the time some include Eden, while others do not.

For me the causality cannot possibly be established as easily as some around here claim: too many variables and all the supposition around what he would be able to do in a more attacking side is just that, supposition and wishful thinking from his most ardent fans.

But for the sake of argument, let’s assume we know that he would indeed become top 3 player (Messi shouldn’t be in the mix imo). Then the question I have is why does Eden play for a club that does not make him a better player? A defensive side team instead of attacking minded? Why is he satisfied having to play with these “donkeys” (personally find the idea that he carries a bunch of donkeys nonsense)?

PSG paid Neymar’s release clause and took him increasing his wages... the transfer market is pretty competitive and the best players draw the best wages. So, why is hazard stuck at chelsea? Does he lack ambition? If so, Wouldn’t that also affect his game at chelsea? Does he love chelsea so much? (hope folks aren’t that naive lol)

Finally, he needs to show up at the international stage. It’s usually KDB pulling the strings and Eden pretty subdued in WC/important games.

Hazard improving in a more attacking side is just logical. Sure it's a hypothetical because he hasn't left us for one (yet) but it's based on logic. A more attacking side + more quality will no doubt help attacking players.

Especially if they've been playing for one of the most pragmatic top teams in the world before and still managed to perform at a high level.

 

.Because Hazard doesn't have a release clause. Hazard is our best player. Aslong as Hazard isn't pushing for a move himself i don't think we could be persuaded to sell for any kind of money. 

 

Now why hasn't he pushed for a move himself ? Well there are a number of reasons.

His personality is one. He's a laid back, family man type of guy. He's not a money grabbing a'hole. He's not a diva looking to be in the spotlights all the time.

There's also the fact that even if he'd push for the move it would still take a considerable amount of money to make it happen. Most teams don't have the money to buy Hazard.

He's also not interested in leaving to any other club but Real or Barcelona.(mostly Real though) PSG have been wanting Hazard for years but Hazard himself doesn't want to go back to the french league. 

The german and Italian leagues don't interest him at all. 

So the amount of clubs that can afford him and that Hazard would want to go to are just 2.

People can complain about wanting Hazard to be more ambitious but if Hazard were more ambitious i don't think he would have stayed with us for as long as he has.

About it affecting his game. Look people have different personalities. Not every football player in the world has to be as driven as Ronaldo to succeed. 

Hazard is who he is. His primary goal is to enjoy his football (his life). Considering he's making millions and is widely viewed as one of the top players in the world i'd say it's working for him.

 

Have you actually been watching us ? During and since the European Cup KDB has been the one who's been subdued while Hazard has been the one that performs.

KDB is actually going through a considerable goal drought for our NT. The last time he scored dates back to the 26th of march 2016 against Switserland before the EC.

20 games without a goal.  Hazard on the other hand has 8 goals and 9 assists in 16 games since the EC (including the EC)

 

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2 hours ago, Belgiannutt said:

Hazard improving in a more attacking side is just logical. Sure it's a hypothetical because he hasn't left us for one (yet) but it's based on logic. A more attacking side + more quality will no doubt help attacking players.

Especially if they've been playing for one of the most pragmatic top teams in the world before and still managed to perform at a high level.

 

.Because Hazard doesn't have a release clause. Hazard is our best player. Aslong as Hazard isn't pushing for a move himself i don't think we could be persuaded to sell for any kind of money. 

 

Now why hasn't he pushed for a move himself ? Well there are a number of reasons.

His personality is one. He's a laid back, family man type of guy. He's not a money grabbing a'hole. He's not a diva looking to be in the spotlights all the time.

There's also the fact that even if he'd push for the move it would still take a considerable amount of money to make it happen. Most teams don't have the money to buy Hazard.

He's also not interested in leaving to any other club but Real or Barcelona.(mostly Real though) PSG have been wanting Hazard for years but Hazard himself doesn't want to go back to the french league. 

The german and Italian leagues don't interest him at all. 

So the amount of clubs that can afford him and that Hazard would want to go to are just 2.

People can complain about wanting Hazard to be more ambitious but if Hazard were more ambitious i don't think he would have stayed with us for as long as he has.

About it affecting his game. Look people have different personalities. Not every football player in the world has to be as driven as Ronaldo to succeed. 

Hazard is who he is. His primary goal is to enjoy his football (his life). Considering he's making millions and is widely viewed as one of the top players in the world i'd say it's working for him.

 

Have you actually been watching us ? During and since the European Cup KDB has been the one who's been subdued while Hazard has been the one that performs.

KDB is actually going through a considerable goal drought for our NT. The last time he scored dates back to the 26th of march 2016 against Switserland before the EC.

20 games without a goal.  Hazard on the other hand has 8 goals and 9 assists in 16 games since the EC (including the EC)

 

Well I happen to think that Hazard improving in a more attacking side is just wrong and illogical  

why? Because the personal stats, the ones that count when comparing players at the top don’t necessarily increase and often actually decrease...

While the collective attacking output of an attacking side may be higher, the individual stats are divided amongst all attacking players! 

There are only so many assists to be made or only so many goals to be scored. Will a team double the number of goals by sticking a second striker up front? Won’t a single striker score more goals individually if being the focus of the team?

anyway, the (attacking) point is at the very least, debatable.

Yeah you gave me a: he’s a nice guy and loves Chelsea and his life and won’t force a move. Which for me is precisely the reason he will never really compete with the other top players. And I have to confess I don’t particularly buy it: when a top side really wants a player they ultimately get him. 

yes he could force a move like Coutinho is doing right now even when He plays well. It sucks but players do that all the time.

fair enough on the NT but I will refrain my judgement after Russia. 

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8 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

 

 

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Although no player is greater than the club and this move has been on the cards for years now, it would still be heartbreaking to see Eden leave in his prime especially to those arrogant bastards who would boo him at the first given opportunity. Those pricks think it is their god given right to have all the best players in their team and they can treat them however the way they want. Fucking Real!

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Ronaldo and Messi completely ruined balon dor competition. Its all about goals now.

Or I should say the media and "fans" who dont see beyond goals.

Ronaldinho wasnt great goalscorer but he is among the best ever.

Eden could score 10 per season, as long he plays the way he plays now, he is one of finest players out there.

But media and "fans" wont see it unless he bangs 30 every season or joins real/barca. 

[Jase 43,479]

9 minutes ago, Mufassir08 said:

Although no player is greater than the club and this move has been on the cards for years now, it would still be heartbreaking to see Eden leave in his prime especially to those arrogant bastards who would boo him at the first given opportunity. Those pricks think it is their god given right to have all the best players in their team and they can treat them however the way they want. Fucking Real!

Yup...but if the latest quotes from his dad are right, then not sure how to feel that the only reason he'll stay is if Real don't bid for him. Makes this nothing more than a marriage of convenience. And it's these constant links and flirtation with Real that makes it kinda hard to get emotionally connected with Hazard, unlike with Terry, Lampard for instance. Will miss his quality and talent if he does leave but not sure if there's much else besides that.

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27 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

 

18 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

 

Two contrasting statements there. One says he sees himself at Real, the other says he's open to options and is waiting to extend contract. Hmm, this is why twitter is unreliable. 

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27 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

 

18 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

 

Two contrasting statements there. One says he sees himself at Real, the other says he's open to options and is waiting to extend contract. Hmm, this is why twitter is unreliable. 

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Just now, It's too big said:

 

Two contrasting statements there. One says he sees himself at Real, the other says he's open to options and is waiting to extend contract. Hmm, this is why twitter is unreliable. 

John Chapman is reliable with any thing related to Belgian football and he's practically said the same things as Kristof anyway. He just didn't expand on it. These might help...

https://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/chelsea-fc-transfer-rumours-news/2017/12/29/16829156/eden-hazard-real-madrid-chelsea-round-eleventybillion?utm_campaign=weaintgotnohistory.sbnation&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

http://www.lesoir.be/131525/article/2017-12-29/hazard-aurait-refuse-une-prolongation-de-contrat-chelsea-eden-se-verrait-bien-au

“What I can say about Eden is that he refused an extension of contract to be able, if necessary, to follow the interest of Real, where he would like to see himself. But, as I speak to you, there is no contact. Eden is only one of the parties to the contract.” -Thierry Hazard; source: Le Soir via

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[Pizy 18,368]

I think if Real Madrid begin one of their very public tapping up campaigns like they've done recently with the likes of De Gea and Bale, Hazard won't be able to resist. I feel like the only way we'll be able to keep him is if we actually show true ambition by signing world class players to actually compete with Europe's top clubs.

If he does go in the end we better absolutely bleed Real Madrid for a world record fee or close to it. Anything less than Neymar money and I'll be livid. He's irreplaceable by any single player we could buy. We'll have to bring in multiple great players to replace him.

[El P. 1,354]

Anything else from bringing new top players and keeping Hazard (and Courtois) should be secondary in this club's priorities. So help us God... we can already see that 2018 will be tough.

[Milan 17,853]

Zidane getting the sack and Real Madrid going all-in for Harry Kane - this needs to happen.

[Pizy 18,368]

I mean really, if you're Hazard and are seeing the level of player the club seems interested in signing, can you blame him for wanting out? While we should be shopping for the likes of the Pogba's, Griezmann's, and Dybala's of the world to take us to the next level we instead buy Zappacosta's and Drinkwater's.

If we sign big time players and make Hazard the highest paid player in the PL I think he would stay. 

[Georgy 439]

9 minutes ago, Pizy said:

I mean really, if you're Hazard and are seeing the level of player the club seems interested in signing, can you blame him for wanting out? While we should be shopping for the likes of the Pogba's, Griezmann's, and Dybala's of the world to take us to the next level we instead buy Zappacosta's and Drinkwater's.

If we sign big time players and make Hazard the highest paid player in the PL I think he would stay. 

Lol we had our chances for this. Time for people to let it go, we won't be signing much until the summer if anything then as well. Can't wait to see the club sell Hazard and use that money to cover our entire summer budget. 

[El P. 1,354]

I remember Verratti too talking about leaving, considering his options, blah blah, and after PSG bought what they've bought, those talks silenced.

We bringing 3 top class players + Zidane's sacking + Real's need for big money striker (Kane) + us demanding 200+ millions + Isco and Bale still in squad (players playing in Eden's position(s)) + Hazard settled in London = this all COULD equal to him staying at least.

On the other side... if they sell Bale I think it's done. They automatically gain 60-70 millions, and one spot in first XI opens up.

EDIT: We must pull some Dybala + Sandro type of deal, and not ask for a price.