Blue Traveler 256 Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 and when the manager gets it wrong .............Then again, he is the manager, you follow what he instruct you to. right or wrong he is in charge. he can question you, you can not.SAF wouldn't lasted a month if got the orders from players. he was totally in charge. of course he made mistakes who wouldn't but he was the boss. Jose is the same he is the boss and a pretty damn good one. a mistake doesn't make him a bad one. Muzchap 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzchap 8,966 Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 Then again, he is the manager, you follow what he instruct you to. right or wrong he is in charge. he can question you, you can not.SAF wouldn't lasted a month if got the orders from players. he was totally in charge. of course he made mistakes who wouldn't but he was the boss. Jose is the same he is the boss and a pretty damn good one. a mistake doesn't make him a bad one.Have to agree with this 100% - that's why they are the Manager...If Eden doesn't like it, he can ask to leave.Questioning the Managers authority leads to a season like Utd have had... Blue Traveler 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickpassnmove 924 Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 nothing to see here, move along. mtowle182 and His Majesty 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! MrExcalibur100 7,124 Posted May 2, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted May 2, 2014 Mourinho is doing the same thing he did at Madrid. Causing division between the fans and the players. Between Madridistas and "Mourinhistas". I hope some of the fans are now starting to see through it. I've already posted the vines of goals 1 and goals 3 that show Cole and Azpilicueta desperately out of position, both are in the box instead of maintaining their fullback position, leaving Hazard exposed. Go watch the replays again. This is not a Hazard issue, but a Mourinho ego issue. Watching Hazard this season, I believe he has done more than his fair share of defensive work, certainly more than other top wingers do for their teams. I've seen him track back like an animal at times and cover Azpilicueta on many many occasions, and if we're honest with ourselves, we would all agree on that too. That's what amazes me about Mourinho's comments.He's basically been our most consistent attacking player and the only one in the front 4 who creates something in the away games, when the new guys like Schurrle, Willian and even Oscar struggle with the extra physicality "allowed" by the refs. We are a team of individuals who play disjointed, ugly football and rely (over rely) on Hazard to bail us out. (Again, eerily similar to his Madrid times with Ronaldo taking the place of Hazard and to his last days at Chelsea, with Drogba taking the place of Hazard as THE guy who bails out the team of individuals). Luckily for us, we don't have that many big ego's in the dressing room any longer so the situation is unlikely to spill over quickly this time.Back to Hazard. To say he hasn't given 100% for the team is a bold faced lie and Mourinho's said it not because of how he feels, but to deflect criticism from himself and on to anything else, even his own team. He has already done it on many occasions this season. To Torres, Ba, Eto'o, Schurrrle, Hazard and the entire team ("I made eleven mistakes", "my team lack balls") No other manager does shit like this. If Mourinho continues down this path, it's only a matter of time before he loses the dressing room. zolayes, couris, Henrique and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Henrique 9,133 Posted May 2, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted May 2, 2014 I'm really happy that he is "not ready to sacrifice himself for Chelsea", because when Mourinho is saying that he is basically saying the belgian is not ready yet to sacrifice his attacking instincts to play as a second full back, just like Willian did in the in the first leg against Atlético.Thats a very good thing. Mufassir08, Shaan, ZOS and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 this post deserves careful consideration , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 LOL... people are now happy that hazard dint track back juanfran which cost us the match and a place in final. also, jose "deflecting" the blame? what blame? to get us to CL semis? also, i love this statement " certainly more than other top wingers do for their teams."when u play in a system, u have to do your job like any other guy. does not matter if u r eden hazard, CR, ribery or messi. similarly it does not matter if u r hazard, willian, schurrle or salah, or even our POTY twice in a row JUAN MATA, u play the way the team is set up to play, or u can simply FUCK OFF. this is chelsea fc, not hazard FC where hazard gets treated like a different entity. what do people want us to do? we should forego our system and simply play in a way that suits hazard rather than the team??!!!!! people should really ask themselves if they even support the club if they are actually defending hazard here. darrus, Blue Traveler, chfn and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! sutro 1,026 Posted May 2, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted May 2, 2014 What makes me wonder is what he's been told when he signed for Chelsea.The type of football we play this season is not really suited for players like Hazard and Mata, one of them is gone and the other one seems abit frustrated, hence his comments after the atletico game.Its well known that Roman wanted to change our type of football a few years back and therefore bought players like Hazard but with the return of Mourinho that has clearly changed. mediator, ZOS, couris and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrExcalibur100 7,124 Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 What makes me wonder is what he's been told when he signed for Chelsea.The type of football we play this season is not really suited for players like Hazard and Mata, one of them is gone and the other one seems abit frustrated, hence his comments after the atletico game.I'm sure he was told what every CFC manager gets told and what most managers at the big clubs get told:(1) Challenge for and win trophies(2) Play an attacking, entertaining brand of football(3) Bring through the youth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sutro 1,026 Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 I'm sure he was told what every CFC manager gets told and what most managers at the big clubs get told:(1) Challenge for and win trophies(2) Play an attacking, entertaining brand of football(3) Bring through the youthSorry edited my post before i saw yours Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! zolayes 14,489 Posted May 3, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted May 3, 2014 LOL... people are now happy that hazard dint track back juanfran which cost us the match and a place in final. also, jose "deflecting" the blame? what blame? to get us to CL semis? also, i love this statement " certainly more than other top wingers do for their teams."when u play in a system, u have to do your job like any other guy. does not matter if u r eden hazard, CR, ribery or messi. similarly it does not matter if u r hazard, willian, schurrle or salah, or even our POTY twice in a row JUAN MATA, u play the way the team is set up to play, or u can simply FUCK OFF. this is chelsea fc, not hazard FC where hazard gets treated like a different entity. what do people want us to do? we should forego our system and simply play in a way that suits hazard rather than the team??!!!!! people should really ask themselves if they even support the club if they are actually defending hazard here. we are not Mourinho F C either Keikoismad, couris, The Skipper and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrExcalibur100 7,124 Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 LOL... people are now happy that hazard dint track back juanfran which cost us the match and a place in final. also, jose "deflecting" the blame? what blame? to get us to CL semis? also, i love this statement " certainly more than other top wingers do for their teams."when u play in a system, u have to do your job like any other guy. does not matter if u r eden hazard, CR, ribery or messi. similarly it does not matter if u r hazard, willian, schurrle or salah, or even our POTY twice in a row JUAN MATA, u play the way the team is set up to play, or u can simply FUCK OFF. this is chelsea fc, not hazard FC where hazard gets treated like a different entity. what do people want us to do? we should forego our system and simply play in a way that suits hazard rather than the team??!!!!! people should really ask themselves if they even support the club if they are actually defending hazard here. Deflecting the blame from the terrible football he has had us playing this season together with it being a trophyless season. (I have no problem with the second part, but maybe Jose is becoming a bit paranoid that he might win nothing for two seasons in a row). It's all about furthering HIS own glory anyway. System? What system? Do we even have a recognized style of play? Martinez has been at Everton for the same time period as Mourinho and has implemented a system of good attacking football with a vastly inferior squad to ours. Same thing with Pellegrini at City.As for this. Well the rest of your rant is just attacking Straw man. It's obvious you didn't even read my comment. Come back next time with a more cogent, intelligent reply. "FUCK OFF?" Yep. Thought as much. couris 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndersonBLUE 819 Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 Deflecting the blame from the terrible football he has had us playing this season together with it being a trophyless season. (I have no problem with the second part, but maybe Jose is becoming a bit paranoid that he might win nothing for two seasons in a row). It's all about furthering HIS own glory anyway. System? What system? Do we even have a recognized style of play? Martinez has been at Everton for the same time period as Mourinho and has implemented a system of good attacking football with a vastly inferior squad to ours. Same thing with Pellegrini at City.As for this. Well the rest of your rant is just attacking Straw man. It's obvious you didn't even read my comment. Come back next time with a more cogent, intelligent reply. "FUCK OFF?" Yep. Thought as much.wow, get some perspective. Barbara and The only place to be 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belgiannutt 3,201 Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 LOL... people are now happy that hazard dint track back juanfran which cost us the match and a place in final. also, jose "deflecting" the blame? what blame? to get us to CL semis? also, i love this statement " certainly more than other top wingers do for their teams."when u play in a system, u have to do your job like any other guy. does not matter if u r eden hazard, CR, ribery or messi. similarly it does not matter if u r hazard, willian, schurrle or salah, or even our POTY twice in a row JUAN MATA, u play the way the team is set up to play, or u can simply FUCK OFF. this is chelsea fc, not hazard FC where hazard gets treated like a different entity. what do people want us to do? we should forego our system and simply play in a way that suits hazard rather than the team??!!!!! people should really ask themselves if they even support the club if they are actually defending hazard here. No offense but when that system, you're talking about, has your most potent attacking midfielder defend a cross on his own goalline serious questions need to be asked about that system.It's not that uncommon for teams to play in a way that gets the best out of they're best player. You mention CR but Real played in a system that allowed CR to conserve his energy and not be responsible of tracking a fullback.They played a 4-4-2 where CR and Benzema only needed to cut of passing lanes other then that they didn't have much to do in defence.On your last sentence : How exactly does defending a player that is part of Chelsea question the support one has for Chelsea ? Hazard is part of this Chelsea team, no ? zolayes, laura90, couris and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrExcalibur100 7,124 Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 wow, get some perspective.You don't get it, do you. The trophyless season and brand of football are secondary issues. The primary issue here is Mourinho's huge ego and lack of responsibility. Why did Mourinho prepare a long dossier to defend his lack of silverware in the past two seasons then in that SAME press conference, throw his best player under the bus to save face from criticism about the style of football. It reeks of insecurity and as a fan watching the entire press conference, I was let down by him and I won't be surprised if some players are too. But it's time to get over it and move on i guess. But knowing Mourinho, this won't be the first or the last time. His mouth will get him fired before any footballing reasons will. I hope NOT, but that won't surprise me at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrExcalibur100 7,124 Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 No offense but when that system, you're talking about, has your most potent attacking midfielder defend a cross on his own goalline serious questions need to be asked about that system.It's not that uncommon for teams to play in a way that gets the best out of they're best player. You mention CR but Real played in a system that allowed CR to conserve his energy and not be responsible of tracking a fullback.They played a 4-4-2 where CR and Benzema only needed to cut of passing lanes other then that they didn't have much to do in defence.On your last sentence : How exactly does defending a player that is part of Chelsea question the support one has for Chelsea ? Hazard is part of this Chelsea team, no ?And even Bale is getting a free role now against the big teams. The match against Bayern was a clear example. Ancelotti was tactically flexible enough to go away from his usual 4-3-3 to a 4-4-2 to give both Ronaldo and Bale less defensive duties. What was the end result? They slaughtered the European champions on their ground. He also did something similar against Barcelona in the Copa Del Rey final.Mourinho's tactics are far too cautious. Not only does he have our best player (who is just returning from a calf injury, btw) chasing fullbacks like a donkey, he plays Azpilicueta on the wing with Schurrle on the bench. End result? We get outclassed by a team with 1/10 th of our budget. couris, Shaan and johnnythefirst 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 Then again, he is the manager, you follow what he instruct you to. right or wrong he is in charge. he can question you, you can not.SAF wouldn't lasted a month if got the orders from players. he was totally in charge. of course he made mistakes who wouldn't but he was the boss. Jose is the same he is the boss and a pretty damn good one. a mistake doesn't make him a bad one.AVB says hi! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran. 6,317 Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 And even Bale is getting a free role now against the big teams. The match against Bayern was a clear example. Ancelotti was tactically flexible enough to go away from his usual 4-3-3 to a 4-4-2 to give both Ronaldo and Bale less defensive duties. What was the end result? They slaughtered the European champions on their ground. He also did something similar against Barcelona in the Copa Del Rey final.Mourinho's tactics are far too cautious. Not only does he have our best player (who is just returning from a calf injury, btw) chasing fullbacks like a donkey, he plays Azpilicueta on the wing with Schurrle on the bench. End result? We get outclassed by a team with 1/10 th of our budget. You sound like the greatest fucking manager on the planet, why don't you give managing three of the top teams on Earth a whirl and see how you do? Barbara, Blue Traveler and The only place to be 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrExcalibur100 7,124 Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 You sound like the greatest fucking manager on the planet, why don't you give managing three of the top teams on Earth a whirl and see how you do?Because I have a different opinion than you do? I've been supporting this club long enough to know that Mourinho is not the be all and end all and is just another employee at the club. He is not Roman Abramovich. He needs to shut up and do his job, manage the team, bring success, play better football and bring through the ridiculous amount of talent in both youth teams.And Hazard also needs to shut up and stop making statements to the French media that can be twisted and construed in the wrong way. He is not a kid anymore. lionsden and couris 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 Because I have a different opinion than you do? I've been supporting this club long enough to no that Mourinho is not the be all and end all and is just another employee at the club. He needs to shut up and do his job, manager the team, bring success, play better football and bring through the ridiculous amount of talent in both youth teams.And Hazard also needs to shut up and stop making statements to the French media that can be twisted and construed in the wrong way. He is not a kid anymore. Just another employee? No. Hazard just an employee? No. Without them we would have made the semis or be in a top 4 position. You guys are blowing this out pf proportion. HAZARD SHOULD NOT BE SOLD, NO MATTER WHAT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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