🇧🇪 Eden Hazard

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19 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

Robertson is defo better than Alonso but TAA is not better than Azpi not even offensively IMO, Azpi gets way too much stick he is usually pretty tidy in offense and a decent crosser. VVD is better than our CBS but David and Rüdiger are better than whoever their 2nd CB is rn. I would say Pedro is better than Shaqiri and maybe slightly worse than Mane but not much. Willian is shit but also not too much worse than Shaqiri who is more of an impact sub used in midfield anyway. Firmino is their main striker and clearly better than what we have but i acknowledged that already. So i remain with my point that we are only slightly worse than them overall, if you take the star players out.

I rarely disagree with you but I must on this. I would take TAA all day over Azpi at this point, especially due to age and offensive play, and would take Gomez over Luiz, probably soon Rudiger too.

Those are two very very special young talents Victimpool have. 

VVD is in a battle atm for top CB on the planet with Koulibaly IMHO, so that lifts their starting back 4 overall (they have shit for depth there) to the best in the EPL unless Mendy comes back full-blown for Shitty, and probably even then.

Pedro is miles behind Mane at this stage as well.

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6 hours ago, Magic Lamps said:

Well I have to strongly disagree with him. I would take a player like Salah who is not remotedly as technically smooth as Hazard over him. Salah might have the occasional shit game and also has some gross technical errors in his game from time to time like a bad control or a lose first touch but scores almost every game and as a consequence Liveprool are title favourites whilst we are in for a struggle for 4th. That is more or less how the main differnece between a title winning squad and an ok CL place candidate - how prolific your top scorer or star player is. Add the 7 goals Salah has over Hazard and we have maybe 10 points more. Apart from those goals there is not much of a difference between our and Liverpools squad IMO. They have a better manager and slightly better players in defence and a better striker but that's it.

But that is not really the problem I have with those comments. Often when a person commemorates the status quo it is to hide the fact that they are afraid to challenge themselves and push themselves to improve upon the current position because they are afraid to fail and have no excuse like "I never wanted it anyway" left.

Spot on.

just to add that the occasional bad touch or miskick from Salah may also be the price he pays for his quickness.

perhaps his game would be a lot cleaner if  he slowed down a bit. Good for Liverpool that he does not.

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7 hours ago, Jason said:

With comments like these, it's little wonder that Hazard has never really improved and is just stuck at a good level with little consistency...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/8247956/chelsea-hazard-sarri-mourinho-frustrated/

 

 

I know that most people will hate these comments and use it against him, but I find it so refreshing. What he said is true.  We emphasize "winning" so much more than we should. Obviously there is a need for competitiveness and winning, but at what cost? If you hate what you do but are good at, what kind of a life is that? 

It's why Mou's philosophy doesn't work anymore. He pits this us against the world mentality, where you have to fight with you blood constantly, and that's mentally exhausting over time. Players (especially younger players) want to enjoy their football, not be exhausted by it. In Hazard's mind, winning is secondary to enjoying for what it is, the beautiful game. Winning and results are then a product of the enjoyment, not the sole reason for it.  

He's somebody who has got his priorities right in life. It's in his personality. Yes, there is no doubt that at times it holds him back from being more clinical or influential, but that should never supersede his love for the game.  He's playing the sport in the world as his job, entertaining fans in the process. He should be enjoying that.  We can't change him and we shouldn't try. It does mean that we should get other players in the team who are on the other end of the spectrum, or ones at least a little further.  We need all those perspectives.  

It's another reason I love Sarri and think that he gives us more of a chance of Hazard staying. Sarri came in and immediately said the most important thing is for these footballers to enjoy their work. When we tied Liverpool when we should have won, Sarri had a smile on his face at the end of the game. Again, I know people hate this, but I admire it.  The beauty of the game as a whole is more important than one particular team winning.  

I know I will likely get slaughtered for saying this, but I hope you all get what i mean. I'm not saying winning doesn't matter.  

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21 hours ago, Belgiannutt said:

Very good teammates huh let's see shall we.

RW :In the 7 years that Hazard has been here only Mata has ever been close to Hazard's quality and he only played with Mata in his first year, second year Mata was 4th choice and left mid season. That's the closest Hazard has ever gotten to another superstar sharing the load.

The rest he's had to play with average players such as Moses, Willian, Oscar, Schurrle and Pedro.

ST :He's had to play with Torres for his first 2 years and his last 2 years with Morata. 

He played with Costa for 3 years. Not a coincidence that those 2 PL titles were won in the only three years he actually had a proper striker to play with. 

LB: Then there's also the left backs he's had to play with. A past his prime A Cole, a right footed Azpi and Alonso. 

And again for the underperforming seasons? His team mates faults obviously? Ironically the two years we win the title with everyone playing well in our team, he is considered hugely important but nobody talks about the lack of effort and bad performances on his behalf also crucial to two hugely disappointing campaigns, although hes not the only one but theres always an excuse, Mourinho, Conte, Sarri... or Willian or Pedro.... funny

 

And teammates. Lets not forget when Azpi played at LB he was on par with the best LBs in the league bar that bad 6 months under Jose. Juan Mata when he was here, was also a lot better than Hazard the first season and then Mourinho froze him out. Fabregas and Costa for the first 6 months under Mourinho were more key to CFC team than Eden because they did what our team lacked, being decisive in the final third, creating or scoring goals. Azpi, Luiz, Kante, Matic, all very good and important the year we won the title playing 343, creating that hugely solid platform that made us hard to beat, with Costa providing the killer instinct upfront too. Wingbacks as well deserve praise that season. The successes havent just been built on the back of Edens performances. Which is what I get the feeling people are hinting at a lot. Its Chelsea FC not Hazard FC. 

Sure we could habe had world class players in other positions but I dont get the diffetence. With Belgium KdB is the only other player at the same level as him in all honesty but he seems to always play at 100% regardless of position, opposition or his form. Here he can play very very good or very poorly. Recently, not very good. That sort of indifference and inconsistencies, particularly with those poor seasons inbetween title wins, are a very bad sign for a player of his talent.

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It will be very sad to see Eden leave the club, but we need to understand. Good luck in his next challenge. I think that he will not overcome the expectations, but we will see. 

 

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18 hours ago, Jason said:

With comments like these, it's little wonder that Hazard has never really improved and is just stuck at a good level with little consistency...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/8247956/chelsea-hazard-sarri-mourinho-frustrated/

 

 

For example, I prefer a match like the one we just lost to Tottenham — I really got a big kick out of that. Zero assists, zero goals, like against Brazil (2-1 victory for Belgium in quarterfinals of the 2018 World Cup), but those are the kinds of matches that I like, the ones that really make me happy to play football."

We need a new talisman. Regardless of whether he stays or goes, this cannot be the mentality of the best player in our squad. I know people like making excuses for Eden, I like him as a person too, but that quote in my opinion should not be uttered in public. Our best player of the old guard (Lampard) would never have this kind of mentality, and this is why this chelsea side are inconsistent. Because we play well as a team when we're in the mood to put in more effort.  

See? Sarri wasn’t making this up.

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Eden Hazard agrees pre-contract with Real Madrid

https://www.shoot.co.uk/eden-hazard-agrees-pre-contract-with-real-madrid/

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When I see it from a reliable source then i'll believe it, but atm those reporting it are no bodies and talking total bollocks.

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There is no player with similar level that we can sign.

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23 hours ago, Magic Lamps said:

Robertson is defo better than Alonso but TAA is not better than Azpi not even offensively IMO, Azpi gets way too much stick he is usually pretty tidy in offense and a decent crosser. VVD is better than our CBS but David and Rüdiger are better than whoever their 2nd CB is rn. I would say Pedro is better than Shaqiri and maybe slightly worse than Mane but not much. Willian is shit but also not too much worse than Shaqiri who is more of an impact sub used in midfield anyway. Firmino is their main striker and clearly better than what we have but i acknowledged that already. So i remain with my point that we are only slightly worse than them overall, if you take the star players out.

You must be joking or never watch Liverpool play. Even before salah arrive this Liverpool teams looks absolutely scary going forward. Mane is terrific, Firmino fits perfectly with klopp football. The way their front 3 combine is brilliant. Salah make them better because he has transformed into a very good goal getter. 

Offensively Trent is a much2 beterr player than Azpi. There is a reason why Azpi is not startin rb for Spain. Offensively he is not good enough. His passing is good for a CB but but not as a rb He can run but he is not explosive. 

 

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On 1/22/2019 at 6:40 PM, Jason said:

With comments like these, it's little wonder that Hazard has never really improved and is just stuck at a good level with little consistency...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/8247956/chelsea-hazard-sarri-mourinho-frustrated/

 

 

I think we have known about this for a while. Hazard is the best player in epl even without the drive to be the best. He is just ridiculously talented. If he can push himself, we will be talking about him with Messi and Ronaldo because he is that good. 

[Special Juan 28,780]

He will ever ever reach the heights of Messi and Ronaldo, never. In fact he shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence as them.

Insane numbers of goals, match winners time after time, consistent and world class, Hazard isn't any of them. Stick him in the bracket below but don't belittle Messi and Ronaldo by mentioning Hazard at the same time.

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On 1/22/2019 at 6:40 PM, Jason said:

With comments like these, it's little wonder that Hazard has never really improved and is just stuck at a good level with little consistency...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/8247956/chelsea-hazard-sarri-mourinho-frustrated/

 

 

he's too laid back and lazy to reach Messi and Ronaldo heights, not ruthless enough, its something we all have to accept and not even Sarri who helped Mertens be 20+ goal scorer can change Eden it seems. Shame really

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34 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

hmm will Eden start sulking or will he challenge himself and prove Sarri wrong?

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12 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

He will ever ever reach the heights of Messi and Ronaldo, never. In fact he shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence as them.

Insane numbers of goals, match winners time after time, consistent and world class, Hazard isn't any of them. Stick him in the bracket below but don't belittle Messi and Ronaldo by mentioning Hazard at the same time.

Maybe, but look at the teammates those two players had, they have been immensely helped by playing with some of the greatest players of their generation and some i would argue are the best at their position ever. On the other hand with Hazard we are talking about okayish players like Mata, even at his peak he could barley get a game for Spain NT. 

When you look at their careers on the NT, Hazard actually compares quite well the achievement of Ronaldo and Messi, and who by the way still has a good amount of years to even surpass them. 

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5 minutes ago, Johnnyeye said:

he's too laid back and lazy to reach Messi and Ronaldo heights, not ruthless enough, its something we all have to accept and not even Sarri who helped Mertens be 20+ goal scorer can change Eden it seems. Shame really

Funny thing is though if he was like them, he would have left Chelsea long time ago.

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4 hours ago, Hazardinho Gaucho said:

There is no player with similar level that we can sign.

Would rather have a slightly less talented player but who will at least give 8 or 9 out of 10 performance week in week out than one who is talented but fluctuates between a 9 and 5 out of 10 performances as he pleases.

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He played brilliantly at the beginning of the season. Scoring, assisting for fun. Everyone here and Sarri were praising him. Now he moves him to centre-forward and tries to turn him into Salah or Mertens, suddenly the story is completely different. Very poor management.

Not saying he is as good as Messi and Ronaldo, but give them some of Eden's teammates and see how he does. Messi is already showing it in the national team.

I don't blame him at all for what is happening to us atm.