BlueLyon 9,359 Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 48 minutes ago, MrExcalibur100 said: I think you need to re-read my post particularly my empashis on the Mourinho factor and the style of "football" he played in some of those big CL matches. Bringing up players who play for Barcelona and Real Madrid is just ridiculous. When did Messi and Neymar ever play for a team that plays 90 mins of defensive football in Champions league knock out games? Right, never. I did mention he deserves a pass because of that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 Hazard is a better dribbler than Messi, not a better playmaker though. Doesn't have Messi's vision. Don't need stats to show that, just watch both play and tell me whether you think Hazard can execute half of the passes Messi does. Messi is very underrated as a creator tbh. kellzfresh and Peace. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 Why do we always end up with a Hazard v Messi debate? Seems to get one like every week without fail. Fernando 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonsFinest 692 Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 I am actually sad he is made to play with retards. He made fantastic passes to all of the players forward and they failed to cross or score. How? He needs someone with him. I am surprised and so happy he doesn't throw a tantrum about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mufassir08 2,400 Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 I'd say Hazard is behind Messi when it comes to dribbling but on par with Neymar even though they have different styles of dribbling. Chelsea? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 7 hours ago, Mufassir08 said: I'd say Hazard is behind Messi when it comes to dribbling but on par with Neymar even though they have different styles of dribbling. I only put Hazard ahead because Messi doesn't seem to be as explosive with his dribbling anymore, but tbh you could argue he's still better. Nevertheless, those three are the top 3 dribblers on the planet right now. Johnnyeye and Mufassir08 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 Ballack on Hazard... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/04/04/michael-ballack-dont-think-eden-hazard-has-right-attitude-cope/ “Eden had not a good season last year and sometimes you don’t really know what happens to players, but it seems to me that he’s a bit of an emotional player who needs support and needs to feel really comfortable with the coach and the team and in his private life as well, so that he can perform,” said Ballack. “I’m pretty sure if he moved to Real Madrid, he would have to fight for that standing again and it would take time because he’s a bit of an introvert. He’s not a player who talks a lot and Real Madrid, if you see the players they have, it would be a different situation for him. “At Chelsea he knows what he has, he’s the top player at the club, he lives in a fantastic city. To give that up, he has to decide if he wants that. I think he’s the key player at Chelsea for the next one or two years. He has to decide if he wants to give that up for Real Madrid or if he wants to be successful with Chelsea and go into the Champions League, on another level, and help them back to where they were in Europe. “It’s up to him. But he has this picture, he has this view. It’s difficult. They are talking about a lot of money. That’s surely also a reason for a player or a club. But if you speak about football facts, I think he’s in a position where he fights for a long time and he will not have the standing he has now at Chelsea at many clubs in Europe, so he has to fight for that and that takes a few years again.” Barbara, Johnnyeye and Mufassir08 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socur Toxanarosa 145 Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 Very rational by Ballack as expected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyikolajevics 2,700 Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 So what's up whit Ballack? He retired a few years ago and I didn't hear anything about him, but recently, he seems to attend every Chelsea game, talks about Chelsea every week, appears on Tv, giver interview to chelseafc.com.. Is he working for Chelsea now or what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 1 hour ago, nyikolajevics said: So what's up whit Ballack? He retired a few years ago and I didn't hear anything about him, but recently, he seems to attend every Chelsea game, talks about Chelsea every week, appears on Tv, giver interview to chelseafc.com.. Is he working for Chelsea now or what? Not sure, but I think he started to work with german tv and ESPN coverage of euros and WC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 We've seen him play better but that was one of the most clutch Eden performances here. Delighted. We need to get better forwards for him, he's playing with a massive handicap with Costa atm. Still dragging us through. kellzfresh and Blue-in-me-Veins 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DYC. 7,542 Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 POTY. Belgiannutt, The Skipper and Beigl 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrExcalibur100 7,124 Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 2 minutes ago, DYC. said: POTY. Even before this game he was. Crazy the media hype for Kante, some even saying he's the best player in the league when he's not near that. Kante is excellent but he has flaws. Hazard is Hazard. The Chels, The Skipper and Belgiannutt 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DYC. 7,542 Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 Just now, MrExcalibur100 said: Even before this game he was. Crazy the media hype for Kante, some even saying he's the best player in the league when he's not near that. Kante is excellent but he has flaws. Hazard is Hazard. He's always been my POTY. I find Kanté overrated but saying that is just asking for trouble. The amount of times Hazard has been the standout player on the pitch, whether he scored/assisted or not, is staggering. For me anway. The Skipper, Belgiannutt and Stats 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! MrExcalibur100 7,124 Posted April 5, 2017 Popular Post! Share Posted April 5, 2017 Just now, DYC. said: He's always been my POTY. I find Kanté overrated but saying that is just asking for trouble. The amount of times Hazard has been the standout player on the pitch, whether he scored/assisted or not, is staggering. For me anway. Absolutely, but we both know Hazard is judged at a different standard than other Chelsea players. Belgiannutt, DYC., Stats and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabHazard 655 Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 .Hazard should win POTY ...there is no doubt about that!...He is the best player in the league Stats and 11Drogba 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beigl 1,387 Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 Reminds me so much of 2015 when he was carrying to the title from new year on. No coincidence that he was POTY back then. He will win this award this year too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 Stepped up when it mattered. Well done, Eden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 On 4/3/2017 at 1:23 PM, The Skipper said: I only put Hazard ahead because Messi doesn't seem to be as explosive with his dribbling anymore, but tbh you could argue he's still better. Nevertheless, those three are the top 3 dribblers on the planet right now. They are probably similar at dribbling alone: like you said hazard is more explosive, but Messi has tighter ball control which helps in tight spaces, which in turn helps more in the CL. Messi is way ahead concerning vision and also ahead concerning goals and tight control of the football, hence his advantage in the CL stage. IMO Ronaldo does not come close to messi in terms of tight control and working in tight spaces as he needs some space to work (hazard does too to a lesser degree). Ronaldo has power though, which makes him an aerial thread in certain conditions; in tight games he's more of an aerial threat than anything else. Personally, I'd not exchange Hazard for Ronaldo. Mufassir08, The Skipper, communicate and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Armour 4,439 Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 3 hours ago, MrExcalibur100 said: Even before this game he was. Crazy the media hype for Kante, some even saying he's the best player in the league when he's not near that. Kante is excellent but he has flaws. Hazard is Hazard. Kante himself thinks Hazard has been the difference maker....Its not just him in the team either, Pedro has also made the same comment. Players are those who usually make more rational judgments in this regard. I would say Kante has been an excellent supporting act. Probably the best in the business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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