The Official TC 'We Hate Arsenal' Thread

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Arguably?

Its not even close. Ribiery Mandzuckic Robben Kroos Muller / Podolski Walcott Carzorla Wilshere Giroud

The first one all day long...

Cazorla >>>>> Kroos

Wilshere > Martinez

Walcott = Robben

Podolski ~ Müller

Vermalen > any Bayern centre back

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Cazorla >>>>> Kroos

Wilshere > Martinez

Walcott = Robben

Podolski ~ Müller

Vermalen > any Bayern centre back

I'd take Kroos before Cazrola.

Wilshere and Martinez are completely different players...

I'd pick Muller over Podolski.

Dante is beast, Vermaelen is an idiot in my books. Nearly everytime I watch the Verminator I see him make a hilarious misktake. Very pantomime.

Bayern are faaaaaar stronger than Arsenal.

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I'd take Kroos before Cazrola.

Wilshere and Martinez are completely different players...

I'd pick Muller over Podolski.

Dante is beast, Vermaelen is an idiot in my books. Nearly everytime I watch the Verminator I see him make a hilarious misktake. Very pantomime.

Bayern are faaaaaar stronger than Arsenal.

They are better because their tactics and their play are superior and their coach is better but only considering the players, Arsenal have enough to at least compete, even though they got complete douchebags like Mertesacker who commit grave mistakes every time, but Cazorla, Walcott and Wilshere would walk into the Bayern side.

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Cazorla >>>>> Kroos

Wilshere > Martinez

Walcott = Robben

Podolski ~ Müller

Vermalen > any Bayern centre back

Why compare Wilshere with Martinez? LOL at you thinking Walcott is equivalent to Robben as well! Robben isn't playing much but I'm sure 99.9% of football fans would have him in their team over Theo!

You are really overrating the Bayern side. Walcott and Wilshere would not get into the Bayern side simply because 1. If Robben doesn't get into the team, do you really expect Walcott to? 2. Wilshere, Arsenal's best player IMO, plays in Schweini's position. I don't think Schweini would be dropped for Wilshere.

Cazorla might be the only one who might just about get into the Bayern team simply because he's a bit more experienced and refined than Kroos or Muller. As seen tonight, Bayern completely murdered Arsenal. Arsenal aren't in the same class as Bayern.

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Cazorla >>>>> Kroos

Wilshere > Martinez

Walcott = Robben

Podolski ~ Müller

Vermalen > any Bayern centre back

When you pick players to compare you can make things seem better than they are. As others have mentioned they are different types of player. But other than the carzorla thing which is close I would have muller and robbed over their counterparts. Also riviera is better than whoever you want to compare him to. Lahm is the best bright back etc. Neur is better than szchezney. Etc.

Each to their own I suppose. But for me there are very few of those arsenal players who would get into the Bayern team. Vermaelen probably would and carzorla. Walcott would be a super sub but other than that not a lot imo.

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When you pick players to compare you can make things seem better than they are. As others have mentioned they are different types of player. But other than the carzorla thing which is close I would have muller and robbed over their counterparts. Also riviera is better than whoever you want to compare him to. Lahm is the best bright back etc. Neur is better than szchezney. Etc.

Each to their own I suppose. But for me there are very few of those arsenal players who would get into the Bayern team. Vermaelen probably would and carzorla. Walcott would be a super sub but other than that not a lot imo.

Who is riviera and Lahm is the most overrated right back. Neuer is a clown look at his idiocy at the goal he conceded.

Walcott is faster and a better finisher and crosser than Robben, Ribery is declining, and Wilshere is surely better than Gustavo and Martinez and on par with Schweinsteiger as yet.

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Lol, Pires was running his mouth off stating that Arsenal will progress past Bayern, "not like the Chelsea way but the Arsenal way" now look how funny that is now, been made to eat his words

Maybe pires thought it was comedy hour when he said that

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Piers Morgan cracks me up he's such a twat

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whew...Situation avoided

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hahaha

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What the bloody hell was that?!

Jesus christ looks like he's about to have a breakdown!! That is one crazy rant!Not sure where the rap part comes mind but still lol!Helps to remember who your talking about as well!

Gareth Baleeeeeeeeeee....

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Arab Takeover at Arsenal?

The world’s biggest ever bid for a football club, dwarfing the £800 million paid by the Glazers for Manchester United, will be backed by funds from Qatar and the United Arab Emirates.

The group do not want their identities made public yet but a bid source told Telegraph Sport the intention is to buy out Arsenal’s American owner, Stan Kroenke, whose perceived weak stewardship of the club has also been called into question by frustrated supporter groups.

The cash offer, which is more than twice the amount at which Arsenal were valued two years ago, will be for 100 per cent of the club, and if successful would wipe out debts that stand at around £250 million according to the last full year’s financial results.

According to a bid source, there would be substantial transfer funds made available to transform the club into a major force in European and world football. There would also be a pledge to reduce ticket prices at the Emirates Stadium — currently among the highest in the world — as well as an attempt to recreate “some of the feel of the old North Bank” at Highbury.

The bid team has noted the damage caused by Kroenke, who owns two-thirds of the club, refusing to engage with Uzbek billionaire Alisher Usmanov, who owns 29.96 per cent.

The bidders would like to unite the ownership, putting all the shares together in one fund. The offer will be for the full 62,217 shares which have been issued, but effectively it will be to buy out Kroenke, in the first instance, paying around £830 million for his 66.83 per cent shareholding (41,581). The offer equates to around £20,000 per share.

The deal would provide the American with an approximate profit of £400 million given the majority owner is believed to have paid around £430 million to build his stake in the club since he first became involved in 2007. When Kroenke made his mandatory cash offer for Arsenal in April 2011, buying up the stakes owned by Danny Fiszman and Lady Nina Bracewell-Smith, it valued the club at £731 million.

A meeting has already been requested with the American to discuss the proposed offer. The seriousness of the bid is reinforced by the recent successful takeovers of Manchester City and Paris St-Germain by Middle East backers.

It is unlikely Usmanov will want to sell his shareholding, given his “dream” of taking control of Arsenal himself, but the Middle East consortium believes it will be able to work with the billionaire, who does not currently have a seat on the board and who has been frustrated in his attempts to get more involved.

Any takeover would inevitably raise questions over the future of manager Arsène Wenger, although the Frenchman is understood to be highly-regarded by the consortium They do not want to lose his football knowledge and want him to remain at the club.

But they are well aware that the last trophy won was the 2005 FA Cup and that Arsenal have become less of a rival to the Premier League's top clubs. They believe that the club have settled for relative mediocrity.

Arsenal travel on Sunday to north London rivals Tottenham with the club in a desperate fight to finish in the top four of the Premier League and qualify for next season’s Champions League. Arsenal currently lie in fifth place, four points behind their neighbours.

Despite protestations to the contrary, failure to qualify for the Champions League would undoubtedly have serious ramifications for Arsenal, who have been in Europe’s premier club competition for the past 16 years under Wenger.

A bid source told Telegraph Sport: “Arsenal is at a pivotal position at the moment. The fear is that the club is facing a cycle of decline like Liverpool. From our point of view it is the perfect moment to make this bid because at this moment in time you can still genuinely justify this extraordinary valuation on the club.

“We will not bid for Arsenal if they go into decline. Kroenke and Usmanov will not get this kind of valuation if Arsenal do not succeed and will not get this kind of valuation ever again.

“We think that bidding now is the key because it is going to give every shareholder maximum value. We are giving them peak valuation.

“The amount of capital required to pump into Arsenal to make it competitive within England, Europe and the world means that the valuation cannot go any higher.”

It makes the prospect of a gargantuan bid to buy the club all the more tantalising for frustrated Arsenal supporters.

“No big club can go eight years without winning anything,” the source added. “No manager of a big club, not even Sir Alex Ferguson, would have survived eight years without winning.” It is not an unreasonable statement.

Whether Wenger would voluntarily stay and work under a new regime is another question. Should a bid prove successful, Wenger would be in an awkward position, having previously criticised clubs with wealthy owners, accusing them of “financial doping”, although he has strong links with Paris St-Germain who, of course, also have Qatari owners.

Wenger’s current contract runs until June 2014 and it is understood that as things stand he has no intention of quitting even if Arsenal finish outside the top four, although he has faced growing calls to go.

The proposed new owners claim they are serious in their desire to turn Arsenal into a force again and also to do it in the right way. They say they do not want to acquire the club to make money but to invest.

The bid group believe that the ownership of Kroenke and his son and heir, Josh, has been at the heart of the club’s lack of competitiveness. They have also identified a lack of experience in football as a significant barrier to success.

“The biggest problem with Arsenal is that it has no owner, no face and there is no one to report to,” the bid source claimed. “The management of the club at every level is not put under scrutiny and does not have to report to anyone.”

The inference is that neither Kroenke nor his son has a feel for Arsenal — a claim which has been lent weight by the former’s absence from the Emirates Stadium — and that the current board lacks strength and leadership. Chief executive Ivan Gazidis has been criticised for being too deferential towards Wenger, who enjoys a huge amount of control at Arsenal.

The frustration over Kroenke’s failure to attend games and his lack of public communication has been frequently vented by supporters, who have criticised him at successive annual meetings. Kroenke does not like being called “Silent Stan” but he has lived up to the nickname.

Arsenal currently have a clear, self-sustaining structure, rejecting the benefactor model, with Wenger, the board and majority owner believing their approach will eventually succeed, especially with the incoming Uefa Financial Fair Play rules.

But there are genuine fears among fans that Arsenal are simply slipping away and becoming less competitive.

If successful, the bid would almost certainly take Arsenal to another level. The prospective owners claim their intention is to turn Arsenal into a major force in European football; one that will compete with Manchester United and Manchester City for the Premier League title and with Barcelona, Bayern Munich, Real Madrid and PSG in the Champions League.

Given the nature and structure of the funding, the bidders say they are confident they will still be able to comply with FFP.

It is understood that they wish to maintain a degree of stability at the club, despite the upheaval of a takeover, although there would be a new board and, in all probability, a new chief executive as it is understood that Gazidis would be unlikely to be retained.

The bid team regard Arsenal as one of the great clubs of European football but also one that is no longer punching its weight and is in danger of falling behind.

Arsenal’s failure to hang on to their top talent has been a source of major unease at the club. Losing Holland international striker Robin van Persie — who left for Manchester United criticising a lack of ambition – Spain international Cesc Fabregas and France international Samir Nasri all hit hard.

The prospective owners claim there would be a firm commitment to a model of developing and keeping young players but also, and as a priority, to strengthening the squad so that those players, such as Jack Wilshere, have no reason to leave in the future.

Wenger believes he has a core of a squad that can challenge but this is not a universally-held opinion with doubts over the strength of the spine of the team.

Even his most fervent supporters struggle to make a case that Wenger is on the verge of creating another great team or that the squad has depth and quality to compete despite a high wage bill.

The Middle East consortium claim to sympathise with Arsenal supporters and their contention that many of them have been priced out of following their club.

Supporters groups have already warned that generations of fans could be lost.

Ticket prices, among the highest in the world and an increasingly contentious issue, will be reduced, the bid source said, and there will be an attempt to recreate “some of the feel of the old North Bank” at Highbury within the Emirates Stadium.

The bid source added there was a real desire to “bring back some of the true supporters” who have been priced out or become disillusioned.

The disillusionment is undoubtedly there. Cup defeats to Bradford City and Blackburn Rovers heightened that sense as did the humiliating Champions League 3-1 defeat to Bayern Munich at the Emirates a fortnight ago, when the German side played with a verve and tempo Arsenal no longer recognise.

Finishing outside the top four would compound it even more especially if the proposed takeover is rejected. That would further increase the pressure on Kroenke in particular.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/9904640/Arsenal-poised-to-be-subjected-to-1.5bn-takeover-bid-from-Middle-East-consortium-within-the-next-few-weeks.html

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hahaha

LMFAO!

His arm is so thin I got worried it was going to break, LOL.

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gooner rap

that gooner is an example why cocaine/meth or whatever stimulants homie is taking is bad

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There is someone pottering around in the background of that vid to lol! And he has more!Not sure if can bring myself to watch them though that one was painful enough!

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One of Wenger's hoobies, except for looking at young 'players' to sign:

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It's interconnected! He is playing an old maid who never had a baby and wants one, from various agencies or families - so that it can sign for Arsenal.