David Luiz

[1905didierblue 748]

But but but, we should have sold zouma. 😂😂😂

[Vesper 29,046]

7 hours ago, 1905didierblue said:

But but but, we should have sold zouma. 😂😂😂

I think very few said to sell Zouma THIS summer (due to the bans)

the main consensus was to loan out Tomori or keep Tomori for complete depth at CB (as no one thought Luiz was a tantrum away from leaving like the little bitch that he is)

[robsblubot 3,539]

quirky Luiz will always be made fun of, but arsenal defending, as a team, was ever more comedic. Of course bbc won’t write about it, after all the money is on eyeballs not on how to watch football games. I mean we are talking about Luiz' performance when in the first half Arsenal was pretty embarrassing. 

it’s going to be a very long season for arsenal and Luiz, because he will be exposed and we all know how he does when exposed, no real news here... how old is he and folks are still being surprised by his play style and weaknesses?

Had that naive manager put Luiz as a cdm to disrupt the attacks of a far superior side, well, that’s too hard to imagine except that Jose has done it before. And it actually worked very well in these type of games.

for folks who think zouma is a better player, even defender, there is always rugby... You might be missing that football is a game about controlling, yes! The football.  And no, CBs do not play a different sport.

[1905didierblue 748]

On 8/26/2019 at 8:18 PM, Vesper said:

I think very few said to sell Zouma THIS summer (due to the bans)

the main consensus was to loan out Tomori or keep Tomori for complete depth at CB (as no one thought Luiz was a tantrum away from leaving like the little bitch that he is)

If I remember correctly, a decent number of people on here wanted to sell zouma. Its not even a point of that. Luiz is one of the most over-rated footballers ever. The guy is a cunt. END OF.

And this is not a knee jerk to his move to arsenal, believe me. Lets take a look at 3 of Luiz's move to and from chelsea. 

Left chelsea when jose made him his 3rd/4th choice CB.

Left PSG and joined Chelsea when Marquinhos made him psg's 3rd choice CB.

Left chelsea and joined arsenal when lampard wont give a starting spot on the plate.

 

In between we have the rift with Conte when Andreas replaced him. I mean the guy is an entitled spoiled prick. Football is about the team, the club, which people like luiz have never and will never get. Irrespective of his age, look at the kind of fuck ups he still makes. His unwillingness to grow or even learn is evident from that. I am so freaking happy that we got rid of this prick and kept a player like Zouma. yes, he might not be able to play a long ball like luiz, but he actually knows how to defend.  

[Jase 43,479]

2 hours ago, Robchels said:

Had that naive manager put Luiz as a cdm to disrupt the attacks of a far superior side, well, that’s too hard to imagine except that Jose has done it before. And it actually worked very well in these type of games.

Mourinho only did that in one game (away at Man City, IIRC). Even then though, you still require Luiz to be 100% discipline and focused in carrying out the tasks and those things are never guaranteed with Luiz. 

[the wes 7,212]

😂😂😂 Good luck with that 

[NikkiCFC 8,061]

1 hour ago, Jason said:

Mourinho only did that in one game (away at Man City, IIRC). Even then though, you still require Luiz to be 100% discipline and focused in carrying out the tasks and those things are never guaranteed with Luiz. 

Also Conte played him there against Roma. 3:3

[OneMoSalah 8,788]

On 26/08/2019 at 3:48 PM, Vesper said:

I think very few said to sell Zouma THIS summer (due to the bans)

the main consensus was to loan out Tomori or keep Tomori for complete depth at CB (as no one thought Luiz was a tantrum away from leaving like the little bitch that he is)

I still think a safe (although unpopular in some folks eyes) bet would of been with Luiz's sale, keeping Cahill as a back up (although we knew he was going last season) and loaning Tomori but it didnt happen. Gaz struggled in Sarris system (well technically he rarely played so harded to judge as Sarri decided he didnt suit it without really giving him a fair crack In think but again Luiz, Rudi and Andreas were always his preferred 3 ahead of him) and under Conte in his 2nd season but in a back 4 he would of still been capable enough for rotation I think. Dont think Zouma is that much better than him or even at all.

[robsblubot 3,539]

12 hours ago, Jason said:

Mourinho only did that in one game (away at Man City, IIRC). Even then though, you still require Luiz to be 100% discipline and focused in carrying out the tasks and those things are never guaranteed with Luiz. 

This is factually incorrect. Please check your records... several games with 100% success rate.

once again factually incorrect. Surprised by how many folks got this one wrong.

and no I will not do your homework.  

[MoroccanBlue 5,320]

Atletico In CL 2014

[Jase 43,479]

Just now, Robchels said:

This is factually incorrect. Please check your records... several games with 100% success rate.

once again factually incorrect. Surprised by how many folks got this one wrong.

and no I will not do your homework.  

lol If you say so...

[Tomo 21,733]

Luiz in CM was okay when we're playing strictly on the counter (City, Paris, Spurs), however games we were expected/wanted/had to take the initiative (Roma, Leti) he was a horrible choice.

[robsblubot 3,539]

12 hours ago, Jason said:

lol If you say so...

So you are saying I will have to do your homework? Ok once I get a to a real computer will do... but reckon a mere search on here should do.

@tomo yes! Playing a cb (even good on the ball) as a cdm will naturally make a team more defensive. So only a good strategy against tougher opposition.

[Jase 43,479]

6 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Luiz in CM was okay when we're playing strictly on the counter (City, Paris, Spurs), however games we were expected/wanted/had to take the initiative (Roma, Leti) he was a horrible choice.

Doesn't change the fact that you're still having to hope the good Luiz turn up for the game. 

[robsblubot 3,539]

On 8/28/2019 at 0:39 AM, Jason said:

Mourinho only did that in one game (away at Man City, IIRC). Even then though, you still require Luiz to be 100% discipline and focused in carrying out the tasks and those things are never guaranteed with Luiz. 

Only starts as DMC or MC rates from who scored:

 

—12/13 season

12/23/2012 Chelsea 8 x 0 Villa (MotM 9.0)

12/26/2012 Norwitch 0 x 1 Chelsea (6.95)

12/30/2012 Everton 1 x 2 Chelsea (7.4)

01/2/2013 Chelsea 0 x 1 QPR 6.77 above lamps)

01/09/2013 Chelsea 4 x 1 Wigan (8.4 2nd highest)

04/13/2013 Chelsea 2 x 0 Swansea (8.8 MotM)

 

UEFA, MoTM 4–1 naples

 

—13/14 season

12/29/2013 Chelsea 2 x 1 liverpool (6.54)

01/11/2014 Hull 0 x 2 Chelsea (8.9 MotM)

01/19/2014 Chelsea 3 x 1 United (7.07)

02/03/2014 Man City 0 x 1 Chelsea (7.7)

03/22/2014 Chelsea 6 x 0 Arsenal (7.94)

 

I stopped looking here, so there might be more games.

[Vesper 29,046]

The ONLY thing that even slightly irritates me about the sale to Arse was that we didnt get £17-20m. It was basically deadline day, they were DESPERATE, and we had him under contract for two more years, plus he was a returning starter at CB on the EL winning and 3rd place EPL side.

£8m??? Wtf

[Jase 43,479]

29 minutes ago, Robchels said:

Only starts as DMC or MC rates from who scored:

 

—12/13 season

12/23/2012 Chelsea 8 x 0 Villa (MotM 9.0)

12/26/2012 Norwitch 0 x 1 Chelsea (6.95)

12/30/2012 Everton 1 x 2 Chelsea (7.4)

01/2/2013 Chelsea 0 x 1 QPR 6.77 above lamps)

01/09/2013 Chelsea 4 x 1 Wigan (8.4 2nd highest)

04/13/2013 Chelsea 2 x 0 Swansea (8.8 MotM)

 

UEFA, MoTM 4–1 naples

 

—13/14 season

12/29/2013 Chelsea 2 x 1 liverpool (6.54)

01/11/2014 Hull 0 x 2 Chelsea (8.9 MotM)

01/19/2014 Chelsea 3 x 1 United (7.07)

02/03/2014 Man City 0 x 1 Chelsea (7.7)

03/22/2014 Chelsea 6 x 0 Arsenal (7.94)

 

I stopped looking here, so there might be more games.

[OneMoSalah 8,788]

1 hour ago, Robchels said:

Only starts as DMC or MC rates from who scored:

 

—12/13 season

12/23/2012 Chelsea 8 x 0 Villa (MotM 9.0)

12/26/2012 Norwitch 0 x 1 Chelsea (6.95)

12/30/2012 Everton 1 x 2 Chelsea (7.4)

01/2/2013 Chelsea 0 x 1 QPR 6.77 above lamps)

01/09/2013 Chelsea 4 x 1 Wigan (8.4 2nd highest)

04/13/2013 Chelsea 2 x 0 Swansea (8.8 MotM)

 

UEFA, MoTM 4–1 naples

 

—13/14 season

12/29/2013 Chelsea 2 x 1 liverpool (6.54)

01/11/2014 Hull 0 x 2 Chelsea (8.9 MotM)

01/19/2014 Chelsea 3 x 1 United (7.07)

02/03/2014 Man City 0 x 1 Chelsea (7.7)

03/22/2014 Chelsea 6 x 0 Arsenal (7.94)

 

I stopped looking here, so there might be more games.

Notice all the big games in the 13/14 season bar Liverpool he played next to Matic though, someone who was actually disciplined enough to actually sit and be in position. Matics influence and what he gave the team when he arrived in 2014 to 2015 is hugely forgotten. He allowed Luiz and Ramires to recover and play higher up.