David Luiz

[Jase 43,479]

While i agree that the second goal wasn't Luiz his fault i disagree about it being Cech's fault.
I'm a goalkeeper myself and there was no way Cech could have come out to claim it. The ball was moving far to low and there were simply to many players between him and the ball.
Defenders should have dealt with it in the first place.

Disagree. I've played as a GK at a pretty high level and I'm telling you, the goal is 100% on Cech. If Cech comes out and challenges the ball (which doesn't look that hard when you look at the replay) the goal has been prevented.

So many @ wannabes here...

[Vybz Kartel 1,613]

His regressed under Mourinho, only last year when we were talking about him as the next captain. This one is on Mou because he has never truly showed confidence in him the same type of confidence he shows to Ivanovic who seems to make a mistake every 2 games but magically never gets dropped.

[Special Juan 27,424]

Yep, Jose's fault again that he struggles in defence and midfield.

Is this sandstorm Jose's fault too?

[Mohammed Seif 1,451]

People know about that, but the press is saying it was his fault because he made a "silly foul".

While i agree that the second goal wasn't Luiz his fault i disagree about it being Cech's fault.

I'm a goalkeeper myself and there was no way Cech could have come out to claim it. The ball was moving far to low and there were simply to many players between him and the ball.

Defenders should have dealt with it in the first place.

To be honest man and with respect to your opinion and experience, I have seen goal keeper take charge and control better than this. Now that @mediator, posted a reply, we can see it again. He took some steps forward, hesitated and went back while ball curling in the middle towards him. You expect a Keeper to do more than just save long shots. You expect him to deal with one on ones, coordinate/lead his defense, sets his wall. Dealing with crosses is part of his job.

People know about that, but the press is saying it was his fault because he made a "silly foul".

I don't know about the press, but what I saw was MINIMAL contact. Not a tackle, a push, an elbow. It was NO foul to me but again I ain't the ref and maybe I need to get my eyes checked.I don't think the ref was doing a decent job yesterday either. And even if it was a foul mate. It is not a penalty. teams should be able to defend set pieces and keepers should dominate their area. It is the ONLY AREA ON THE ENTIRE PITCH where they have control AND protection. I don't blame Cech for the first goal. Surely he should have been speaking with his defenders ( I don't know if he did or didn't), but I blame Terry because it was a poor clearance. I can blame Luiz for not doing a good job pressing and losing the midfield area with Ramires in the second half. But I just can't blame him for either that "foul" or the goal. It is only my opinion though.

[robsblubot 3,502]

Yep, Jose's fault again that he struggles in defence and midfield.

Is this sandstorm Jose's fault too?

of course it is! Jose is the manager and is responsible for everything! That's what being the boss means... come 3 seasons and he's got nothing to show for and he's gone like any other manager.

If you and others have detected Luiz as an insufficient player for Chelsea, how can you and the same others say that Jose is blameless in not seeing the same? Which one is it? Did he not know Luiz when he joined and turned down the 21m offer from Barca? You know that offer might have been the last one in that figure if Luiz keeps on playing (and not playing) like this. He's been ostracized and the trend is downward save a great performance in the world cup.

How about not acquiring a substitute if he, like many here say, does not trust Luiz in defense?! Iva is on the right, Kalas is a youngster. he should have either used Luiz in defense, who's the player he's got, or traded him, and/or signed someone; preferably someone who would have immediately joined the club and not stayed elsewhere on loan.

Now if you want to blame our poor form on a single player, who barely plays, that's your prerogative, but at least acknowledge that the manager could have addressed "the problem" that was quite obvious according to you (and a few others). So, Jose must be blind like the rest of us (who see something in David Luiz) and expected more from the player, in which case he was "wrong", again according to you.

[The only place to be 11,313]

of course he is! Jose is the manager and is responsible for everything! That's what being the boss means... come 3 seasons and he's got nothing to show and he's gone like any other manager.

If you and others have detected Luiz as an insufficient player for Chelsea, how can you and the same others say that Jose is blameless in not seeing the same? Which one is it? Did he not know Luiz when he joined and turned down the 21m offer from Barca? You know that offer might have been the last one in that figure if Luiz keeps on playing (and not playing) like this. He's been ostracized and the trend is downward save a great performance during the world cup.

How about not acquiring a substitute if he, like many here say, does not trust Luiz in defense?! Iva is on the right, Kalas is a youngster. he should have either used Luiz in defense, who's the player he's got, or traded him, and/or signed someone; preferable someone who would have immediately joined the club and not stayed elsewhere on loan.

Now if you want to blame our poor form on a single player, who barely plays, that's your prerogative, but at least acknowledge that the manager could have addressed "the problem" that was quite obvious according to you (and a few others). So, Jose must be blind like the rest of us (who see something in David Luiz) and expected more from the player, in which case he was "wrong", again according to you.

You may have a point in that Mourinho probably should've shifted the deadwood last summer, but clearly he wanted to see if he could utilise the existing assets effectively before cutting them loose. He's already done that with Mata, Essien and De Bruyne but there are still the likes of Ba, Mikel, Torres and Luiz hanging around. Maybe there weren't buyers for them in January and we still needed players who weren't cup-tied in Europe, but I expect all this to be addressed for next season which Jose has always stated was the target.

By the way, everyone sees something in David Luiz. He should be one of the best defenders in the world with all his talents but he's simply not got the right mentality. I'm not going to discuss mentality with you again because it's clearly something you don't believe in, but every supporter of this club sees what David has.

It's just some ignore the things he doesn't have.

[Special Juan 27,424]

of course he is! Jose is the manager and is responsible for everything! That's what being the boss means... come 3 seasons and he's got nothing to show and he's gone like any other manager.

If you and others have detected Luiz as an insufficient player for Chelsea, how can you and the same others say that Jose is blameless in not seeing the same? Which one is it? Did he not know Luiz when he joined and turned down the 21m offer from Barca? You know that offer might have been the last one in that figure if Luiz keeps on playing (and not playing) like this. He's been ostracized and the trend is downward save a great performance during the world cup.

How about not acquiring a substitute if he, like many here say, does not trust Luiz in defense?! Iva is on the right, Kalas is a youngster. he should have either used Luiz in defense, who's the player he's got, or traded him, and/or signed someone; preferable someone who would have immediately joined the club and not stayed elsewhere on loan.

Now if you want to blame our poor form on a single player, who barely plays, that's your prerogative, but at least acknowledge that the manager could have addressed "the problem" that was quite obvious according to you (and a few others). So, Jose must be blind like the rest of us (who see something in David Luiz) and expected more from the player, in which case he was "wrong", again according to you.

You may have a point in that Mourinho probably should've shifted the deadwood last summer, but clearly he wanted to see if he could utilise the existing assets effectively before cutting them loose. He's already done that with Mata, Essien and De Bruyne but there are still the likes of Ba, Mikel, Torres and Luiz hanging around. Maybe there weren't buyers for them in January and we still needed players who weren't cup-tied in Europe, but I expect all this to be addressed for next season which Jose has always stated was the target.

By the way, everyone sees something in David Luiz. He should be one of the best defenders in the world with all his talents but he's simply not got the right mentality. I'm not going to discuss mentality with you again because it's clearly something you don't believe in, but every supporter of this club sees what David has.

It's just some ignore the things he doesn't have.

Answered quite clearly for you above.

[robsblubot 3,502]

You may have a point in that Mourinho probably should've shifted the deadwood last summer, but clearly he wanted to see if he could utilise the existing assets effectively before cutting them loose. He's already done that with Mata, Essien and De Bruyne but there are still the likes of Ba, Mikel, Torres and Luiz hanging around. Maybe there weren't buyers for them in January and we still needed players who weren't cup-tied in Europe, but I expect all this to be addressed for next season which Jose has always stated was the target.

By the way, everyone sees something in David Luiz. He should be one of the best defenders in the world with all his talents but he's simply not got the right mentality. I'm not going to discuss mentality with you again because it's clearly something you don't believe in, but every supporter of this club sees what David has.

It's just some ignore the things he doesn't have.

You clearly haven't really read my posts then, because I am a firm believer of the importance of all tree (areas): technical, mental, physical. Some mention tactical, but I keep it with mental/psychological. I merely said that there have been exceptions; players who have succeeded when lacking in one of them (never more than one though) - they have just demanded a bit of mechanics around them.

It's actually quite ironic, because back in Brazil I was the one stating that mental and physical aspects are often overlooked there. I just can't imagine a player, however strong, however smart, however composed, who can't take control of the football can't pick a pass. All players in our squad have good technique, because you don't ever reach this level without it.

agreed in most points, but then again you can't say Jose's "blameless." It was his judgment and his system... It was a bet and he lost. BTW, he knew he was going to use Iva on the right from the get go, so he had to know he was going to be a bit short in defense. I can only imagine that Cole's failure further prevented him from rotating...

[quickpassnmove 924]

Every time I see rumours about this guy leaving, all I can think is: "Hurry up and sell him before the World Cup, Chelsea!"

[Henrique 9,133]

Every time I see rumours about this guy leaving, all I can think is: "Hurry up and sell him before the World Cup, Chelsea!"

After the WC his price will raise.

[bababoom 4,478]

£38 million would be outstanding for Luiz. This season he's mostly played in midfield, while i think he's been good in the position, he is not world class. 38 million is a lot of money and it'll mean we can buy a top quality midfielder to play alongside Matic.

If we sell Mikel, Ba, Moses, Marin and hopefully Torres, we should have at least £30 million. It means we can bring in a Striker, a top midfielder and a left back.

[Henrique 9,133]

£38 million would be outstanding for Luiz. This season he's mostly played in midfield, while i think he's been good in the position, he is not world class. 38 million is a lot of money and it'll mean we can buy a top quality midfielder to play alongside Matic.

If we sell Mikel, Ba, Moses, Marin and hopefully Torres, we should have at least £30 million. It means we can bring in a Striker, a top midfielder and a left back.

38m for a defender? Forget it.

[iseah100 5,612]

Don't sell David Luiz! He's awesome.

[bushman 2,043]

Don't sell David Luiz! He's awesome.

Luiz is awesome?

Have you seen him lately?

At 38m if true, pack his bags while someone wants to pay so much for him.

[Sidzeret 2,257]

38m for a defender? Forget it.

I reckon the oilcunts aka PSG are stupid enough to go for such an amount

[bushman 2,043]

If they were to pay 38m, let him go. For that amount Jose can buy an AM, easily.

[Special Juan 27,424]

38M? I will piggy back him to his destination.

[BloodIsBlue 291]

IF we get rid of David we need someone to replace him for the position he is playing as of recent and likely tomorrow, in the midfield. Imagine we didn't have Luiz and we had to start Mikel or worse. I'm still reluctant to give him away, he has been far from useless even in a season where he played bit parts. I'll be sad overall to see him go he's really good and if it wasn't for all these (rumors of) 30m+ offers I wouldn't see why we'd sell him. If it wasn't for he astronomical numbers I see (which I suspect are baloney like the shit these cretin journalists puke out on a daily basis) this decision to sell him would be no where near as easy as some of you make it seem. Lampard and Mikel have played more games than David so I think those few mistakes no matter how dire are definitely forgivable. I wouldn't get my heart set on us getting that 38m because that's an awful lot for a defender.